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Post by Aman on Jan 27, 2021 19:51:02 GMT -5
Yeah I think Live Forever is a good shout.
I don't have many go to great Live Forever live performances I go back to. My favourite probably being the MTV Most Wanted one.
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Post by garylineker on Jan 27, 2021 21:34:47 GMT -5
Stop Crying Your Heart out is superb on TOTP for me. I love every live version ( even glasto) as soon as both of them harmonise on that 2nd chorus. I think they really sounded at their peak around that Earls Court gig and other videos I've seen of them around that time. Maine Road and a few others sound way too fast for my liking. I don't get why they used to play like that. It really doesn't make for a good listen for me. I dont think the OP was far off saying Live Forever. I actually think Noel's live version on the Supersonic doc hits me emotionally more than any other live version, despite me thinking it's Liams vocals that make that incredible melody shine on the studio version. Certainly don't get why Noel thinks he can't sing that because "Liam does it better" and then butchers most songs Liam genuinely does smash him out the park on. I actually think that glasto is slightly better than its reputation but good god SCYHO in particular is awful. Yeah i don't disagree that it's an awful version but i just love the way they both combine for the chorus on all the live versions. I also agree that Glastonbury is better than made out. There's some great versions of stuff like Columbia and even Wonderwall is good. I think it gets so derided because it's obviously supposed to be the pinnacle of careers but Oasis being Oasis it was always gonna probably end up like that. Was also the first proper time we heard the real decline in his voice. 2002 had plenty of warning signs but 2004 was really like woah and to a worldwide audience. In comparison to some of his performances from 2005-2011 it was infinitely better. |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 27, 2021 21:38:27 GMT -5
Yeah I think Live Forever is a good shout. I don't have many go to great Live Forever live performances I go back to. My favourite probably being the MTV most wanted one. Yeah that is hands down the best live version, and just makes me wish we got a lot more versions of songs like that whilst Liam still sounded that good. I don't think he was quite as confident playing acoustic though. I don't think he'd ever admit that but i think he used to get a lot more nervous than people realise. With loud guitars and 15,000 people off their nut it's bound to be easier. I think pulling out of unplugged was because it was much more of a theatre like setting with everyone hanging off every note. |
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Post by The Chief on Jan 28, 2021 6:24:20 GMT -5
I actually think that glasto is slightly better than its reputation but good god SCYHO in particular is awful. Yeah i don't disagree that it's an awful version but i just love the way they both combine for the chorus on all the live versions. I also agree that Glastonbury is better than made out. There's some great versions of stuff like Columbia and even Wonderwall is good. I think it gets so derided because it's obviously supposed to be the pinnacle of careers but Oasis being Oasis it was always gonna probably end up like that. Was also the first proper time we heard the real decline in his voice. 2002 had plenty of warning signs but 2004 was really like woah and to a worldwide audience. In comparison to some of his performances from 2005-2011 it was infinitely better. I agree Glastonbury isn't as bad as its painted to be. The biggest issue is that it was kind of a warm up gig for Zac so all the songs were so slow (that's the only reason I can think of). Liam's voice was in its usual form for the time. It's not the gig that fucked up SCYHO it's his voice. Instead of "Hold up, hold on" we got "HOOOWD OOOWWP, HOOOOWD OOOOOOWN" with Noel's reaction. I'm glad they retired the song. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 28, 2021 10:45:21 GMT -5
I agree that the Glastonbury 2004 gig isn't as bad as what people make it out to be. Ok it's not one of their best and it's not a concert which I go back to all that often but the gig itself is an ok one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 13:52:12 GMT -5
I actually think that glasto is slightly better than its reputation but good god SCYHO in particular is awful. Yeah i don't disagree that it's an awful version but i just love the way they both combine for the chorus on all the live versions. I also agree that Glastonbury is better than made out. There's some great versions of stuff like Columbia and even Wonderwall is good. I think it gets so derided because it's obviously supposed to be the pinnacle of careers but Oasis being Oasis it was always gonna probably end up like that. Was also the first proper time we heard the real decline in his voice. 2002 had plenty of warning signs but 2004 was really like woah and to a worldwide audience. In comparison to some of his performances from 2005-2011 it was infinitely better. Personally I think this is the best SCYHO version:
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Post by asyouwere on Jan 28, 2021 13:54:46 GMT -5
Yeah I think Live Forever is a good shout. I don't have many go to great Live Forever live performances I go back to. My favourite probably being the MTV Most Wanted one. The Main Road version of Live Forever is one of the best Oasis-moments ever imo. |
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Post by asyouwere on Jan 28, 2021 13:55:59 GMT -5
I agree that SCYHO was pretty underwhelming most of the times. I do like this version:
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 28, 2021 13:56:22 GMT -5
Noel's version of Stop Crying Your Heart Out is pretty awful to be honest.
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 28, 2021 14:00:13 GMT -5
To be honest I don't really get the hate for the Live Forever live version as I've never had a problem with it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 14:02:10 GMT -5
Noel's version of Stop Crying Your Heart Out is pretty awful to be honest. Please don’t disagree |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 28, 2021 14:05:31 GMT -5
Noel's version of Stop Crying Your Heart Out is pretty awful to be honest. Please don’t disagree Please don't tell me what to do. Not everyone likes what you do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 14:50:38 GMT -5
I agree that the Glastonbury 2004 gig isn't as bad as what people make it out to be. Ok it's not one of their best and it's not a concert which I go back to all that often but the gig itself is an ok one.
Reasons why Glastonbury is perceived the way it is
- the drumming was kinda sluggish, especially in the beginning - the new songs (A bell will ring, the meaningof soul..wtf) were not very good - the live performance were either really good (Wonderwall, Columbia) or really fecking awful
- Liam's clothing was weird
- while not a terrible setlist, it was hardly inspirational either for "their glastonbury moment"
- they came off a bad album and apparently there was some tension in the bend
If you compare that to Blur in 2009...ouch
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Post by Aman on Jan 28, 2021 17:45:01 GMT -5
Yeah I think Live Forever is a good shout. I don't have many go to great Live Forever live performances I go back to. My favourite probably being the MTV Most Wanted one. The Main Road version of Live Forever is one of the best Oasis-moments ever imo. Yeah I listened to that again last night after my post. Forgot how good it was. Gleneagles 1994 version not too bad either. |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 28, 2021 20:42:46 GMT -5
Yeah i don't disagree that it's an awful version but i just love the way they both combine for the chorus on all the live versions. I also agree that Glastonbury is better than made out. There's some great versions of stuff like Columbia and even Wonderwall is good. I think it gets so derided because it's obviously supposed to be the pinnacle of careers but Oasis being Oasis it was always gonna probably end up like that. Was also the first proper time we heard the real decline in his voice. 2002 had plenty of warning signs but 2004 was really like woah and to a worldwide audience. In comparison to some of his performances from 2005-2011 it was infinitely better. Personally I think this is the best SCYHO version:
Its a great version and glad hes brought it back but no one touches Liam's rawness and soul on that one for me. As was proven when Leona Lewis did it. I felt like that was almost a case study for you can have all the great technique as a "real" singer but this is why we all love Liam. |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 28, 2021 20:46:31 GMT -5
Yeah I think Live Forever is a good shout. I don't have many go to great Live Forever live performances I go back to. My favourite probably being the MTV Most Wanted one. The Main Road version of Live Forever is one of the best Oasis-moments ever imo. I've never liked the cringe bowing down to John Lennon at the end personally. Always felt like they had to let us know how much they loved the Beatles more than they even did themselves at times. Struck a chord with me when Tony said in his book that Noel loved ABBA far more. Then Liam didnt even know the words for Across The Universe when Beady Eye did it live. Supposedly his favourite song by his favourite band... |
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Post by Gergely on Jan 29, 2021 4:17:48 GMT -5
Doesn't Liam have some trouble remembering lyrics? I vaguely remember something like this.
I'd say they never nailed Slide Away live as much as the album version.
Tony rushed it. Liam also had a tendency to shout too much, destroying the fragility in the album version. And when the band played it better (Oasis Mk2, the Gem+Noel guitar is much more sophisticated, even though I love Bonehead buzzing through everything), Liam voice declined.
Tweeter Center 2001 is almost good, perfect tempo set by Steve White, but is let down by crap Noel backing vocals. Plus I don't like how Liam finishes the "sun" lines. The album version is still far superior to any live Slide Away I've heard.
Falling down album version is also much better than the live ones. Same goes for The Importance of Being Idle, Noel's rarely bringing it vocal-wise, usually makes a passable take, but nothing more.
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Post by The Chief on Jan 29, 2021 7:29:05 GMT -5
Personally I think this is the best SCYHO version:
Its a great version and glad hes brought it back but no one touches Liam's rawness and soul on that one for me. Which is why the album version is still my favorite. Liam on record is always great. But live it's like he's trying to sing without a mic. I agree that SCYHO was pretty underwhelming most of the times. I do like this version: It's amazing and I'm also happy he brought it back with the softness it deserves. Noel's version of Stop Crying Your Heart Out is pretty awful to be honest. How so? It's the closest to the version on the record ever done live. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 29, 2021 14:07:45 GMT -5
Its a great version and glad hes brought it back but no one touches Liam's rawness and soul on that one for me. Which is why the album version is still my favorite. Liam on record is always great. But live it's like he's trying to sing without a mic. I agree that SCYHO was pretty underwhelming most of the times. I do like this version: It's amazing and I'm also happy he brought it back with the softness it deserves. Noel's version of Stop Crying Your Heart Out is pretty awful to be honest. How so? It's the closest to the version on the record ever done live. To you maybe but not to me, I've never liked Noel's version and I never will. |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 29, 2021 19:15:36 GMT -5
Its a great version and glad hes brought it back but no one touches Liam's rawness and soul on that one for me. Which is why the album version is still my favorite. Liam on record is always great. But live it's like he's trying to sing without a mic. I agree that SCYHO was pretty underwhelming most of the times. I do like this version: It's amazing and I'm also happy he brought it back with the softness it deserves. Noel's version of Stop Crying Your Heart Out is pretty awful to be honest. How so? It's the closest to the version on the record ever done live. I think you're right in terms of the instrumental is the closest but Liam on TOTP was closest to the record for me. Probably my favourite live version too. Oasis when they played it live really lacked an orchestra to back it up. The first verse needs way more than just guitars IMO |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 19:25:05 GMT -5
Since we discussed SCYHO here, also check out this mashup in case you don’t know it yet
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Post by The Chief on Jan 30, 2021 12:41:18 GMT -5
Which is why the album version is still my favorite. Liam on record is always great. But live it's like he's trying to sing without a mic. It's amazing and I'm also happy he brought it back with the softness it deserves. How so? It's the closest to the version on the record ever done live. To you maybe but not to me, I've never liked Noel's version and I never will. That's alright, I just wanted to know what you didn't like about it  |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 30, 2021 12:54:39 GMT -5
The Main Road version of Live Forever is one of the best Oasis-moments ever imo. I've never liked the cringe bowing down to John Lennon at the end personally. Always felt like they had to let us know how much they loved the Beatles more than they even did themselves at times. Struck a chord with me when Tony said in his book that Noel loved ABBA far more. Then Liam didnt even know the words for Across The Universe when Beady Eye did it live. Supposedly his favourite song by his favourite band... Tony said Noel never liked The Smiths in his book too, hardly undisputed source of truth |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 30, 2021 12:57:12 GMT -5
Doesn't Liam have some trouble remembering lyrics? I vaguely remember something like this. I'd say they never nailed Slide Away live as much as the album version. Tony rushed it. Liam also had a tendency to shout too much, destroying the fragility in the album version. And when the band played it better (Oasis Mk2, the Gem+Noel guitar is much more sophisticated, even though I love Bonehead buzzing through everything), Liam voice declined. Tweeter Center 2001 is almost good, perfect tempo set by Steve White, but is let down by crap Noel backing vocals. Plus I don't like how Liam finishes the "sun" lines. The album version is still far superior to any live Slide Away I've heard. Falling down album version is also much better than the live ones. Same goes for The Importance of Being Idle, Noel's rarely bringing it vocal-wise, usually makes a passable take, but nothing more. Agreed about TIOBI, don't think it sounds bad live but they really nailed every bit of it with the recording As for SCHYO, not a fan of the live versions with Oasis, kinda like the one Noel did with the HFB but my fave is actually the acoustic solo one he did for some tv show back in 2002 |
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Post by parkamonkey93 on Jan 30, 2021 13:10:15 GMT -5
This is the first time I've seen complaints about Slide Away live, everything I've ever seen praises the live versions as being superior to the album...I definitely prefer the live versions, it's kinda weak on the outro on the album...the 1994 Chicago performance and 2008 Standing on the Edge of Noise performance are my favorite versions of the song.
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