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Post by andymorris on Jan 7, 2021 13:37:17 GMT -5
Now, we all have different conceptions of the word "genius", Noel himself would tell you he just paid attention while listening and learned how to steal from others and make his own thing out of it, but I'm quite sure there's some degree of talent in there that made him and not us lazy fuckers come up with Live Forever Problem is (that’s where NG made a big mistake) is that most is not stealing. There’s a few examples of plagiarism in the oasis discography but you can’t make a career out of stealing what (the very few bits here and there) he stole. They made a career on hard work, talent, original material and luck. The only one to blame for that is NG really. If he had not said anything that kind of extremist reaction wouldn’t exists. NG « steals » as much as every other artists. But he was stupid (or honest enough) to say it out loud. And again this prove some Liam fans have gone batshit crazy. And this could end up bad for NG someday. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 7, 2021 13:50:27 GMT -5
Now, we all have different conceptions of the word "genius", Noel himself would tell you he just paid attention while listening and learned how to steal from others and make his own thing out of it, but I'm quite sure there's some degree of talent in there that made him and not us lazy fuckers come up with Live Forever Problem is (that’s where NG made a big mistake) is that most is not stealing. There’s a few examples of plagiarism in the oasis discography but you can’t make a career out of stealing what (the very few bits here and there) he stole. They made a career on hard work, talent, original material and luck. The only one to blame for that is NG really. If he had not said anything that kind of extremist reaction wouldn’t exists. NG « steals » as much as every other artists. But he was stupid (or honest enough) to say it out loud. And again this prove some Liam fans have gone batshit crazy. And this could end up bad for NG someday. I do agree that if he wasn't so loud about it there wouldn't be as much discussion around the matter (I mean, every other Oasis comment section on YT is "this sounds like..." and you get 50 different tunes), but I like the honesty, that "I'm doing this and getting away with it and there's fuck all you can do" attitude served him well in the end and helped him when the ripoffs where actually blatant (see: Cigarettes & Alcohol) |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jan 7, 2021 13:53:49 GMT -5
So I guy who - marries his first wife in 1997 - starts an affair a couple of weeks after - resulting in a child in 1998 which he didn’t give a fuck about for 20 years - remarries again in 2008 - to have another child with a different affair (And those are only the obvious missteps) Is loyal, sincere, sensitive and selfless where Noel is a lying, cheating traitor. That definitely checks out Marital infidelity has nothing to do with my speech. He, like many others, is an international legend and it is natural that he can remarry 1000 times. Brotherly betrayal is much, much worse. Making false claims to ruin your brother's career is even worse. As for the recognition of children, Liam has always stated that it was their mothers who prevented them from approaching girls until they came of age. And he feels that he is willing to recognize Gemma too if only her mother would let him. So please don't come up with ridiculous things to try to make Liam a worse person than Noel because he's not at all. To those who ask me if I speak on the basis of having personally known Liam or Noel, or if I am Debbie to know who Liam really was, I can tell you that: I met Liam in 2011 and Noel in 2015. Liam stopped for all of us in the rain in the morning and took pictures with all of us. In the afternoon I met him again at the hotel, his bodyguard did not let me approach, but Liam told him to let me pass and kindly put himself at my disposal for a hug and a photo. Noel, on the other hand, left his hotel on foot, bored by our presence and did not stop even for a moment. On his return we were still there, he snorted in our faces for our perseverance, and told us not to raise our voices because we annoyed him. Having said that, I know very well who Liam was and who Noel was because I had confirmation in the reality of what is already evident on the digital world. What if I was Debbie for judging Liam sensitive etc? Just look at As it Was and it is Debbie who tells it. As previously mentioned, mine are not opinions but facts |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 7, 2021 14:00:32 GMT -5
Deeply judging people we don't know basing our opinions stated as facts on "the internet" and meeting them once, peak Planet Earth
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Post by andymorris on Jan 7, 2021 14:02:49 GMT -5
Problem is (that’s where NG made a big mistake) is that most is not stealing. There’s a few examples of plagiarism in the oasis discography but you can’t make a career out of stealing what (the very few bits here and there) he stole. They made a career on hard work, talent, original material and luck. The only one to blame for that is NG really. If he had not said anything that kind of extremist reaction wouldn’t exists. NG « steals » as much as every other artists. But he was stupid (or honest enough) to say it out loud. And again this prove some Liam fans have gone batshit crazy. And this could end up bad for NG someday. I do agree that if he wasn't so loud about it there wouldn't be as much discussion around the matter (I mean, every other Oasis comment section on YT is "this sounds like..." and you get 50 different tunes), but I like the honesty, that "I'm doing this and getting away with it and there's fuck all you can do" attitude served him well in the end and helped him when the ripoffs where actually blatant (see: Cigarettes & Alcohol) Yeah but where does plagiarism start ? Cigs and alcohol is stolen from T. rex but that was stolen from a basic blues riff and it’s still used in millions of songs. It’s the most simple guitar riff ever sped up and complexified. Noel made it perfect. I see a few plagiarism like shaker maker or don’t go away or she’s electric or more recently holy mountain (I suspect few of them are unconscious rip offs) but cigs and alc is not one of them for me. It’s just a riff that is there like a chord progression. Most people don’t see the difference but it’s a big one. People also mention DLBIA piano but it’s just two simple chords that happened to have been used is the most known song in the world. Stairway to heaven is (apparently) inspired by some other tune, Lennon stole with come together he even had to make a cover album to settle the case. I don’t see the Liam cult having problems with that song or many others. It’s just simple to cover eyes and stupidly repeat what other people say I guess. NG made a comment but it’s not as simple as people make it out to be. Or oasis would have 500 lawsuits and lost all their songwriting credits. They have not. Oh well ! 🙁 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2021 14:14:28 GMT -5
An another endless Noel vs Liam dog fighting. Its not.
I think Noel is probably a c***. So is Liam, even though in a different way.
What gets me is people portraying one as a saint and the other as a sinner, calling it a fact.
Surely nobody can be that daft.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 7, 2021 14:15:36 GMT -5
An another endless Noel vs Liam dog fighting. Its not.
I think Noel is probably a c***. So is Liam, even though in a different way.
What gets me is people portraying one as a saint and the other as a sinner, calling it a fact.
Surely nobody can be that daft.
Ain't we all c*nts, after all? |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jan 7, 2021 14:17:52 GMT -5
Deeply judging people we don't know basing our opinions stated as facts on "the internet" and meeting them once, peak Planet Earth At least I am one who also speaks on the basis of lived experiences. Everyone should have them in order to tal |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 7, 2021 14:20:37 GMT -5
I do agree that if he wasn't so loud about it there wouldn't be as much discussion around the matter (I mean, every other Oasis comment section on YT is "this sounds like..." and you get 50 different tunes), but I like the honesty, that "I'm doing this and getting away with it and there's fuck all you can do" attitude served him well in the end and helped him when the ripoffs where actually blatant (see: Cigarettes & Alcohol) Yeah but where does plagiarism start ? Cigs and alcohol is stolen from T. rex but that was stolen from a basic blues riff and it’s still used in millions of songs. It’s the most simple guitar riff ever sped up and complexified. Noel made it perfect. I see a few plagiarism like shaker maker or don’t go away or she’s electric or more recently holy mountain (I suspect few of them are unconscious rip offs) but cigs and alc is not one of them for me. It’s just a riff that is there like a chord progression. Most people don’t see the difference but it’s a big one. People also mention DLBIA piano but it’s just two simple chords that happened to have been used is the most known song in the world. Stairway to heaven is (apparently) inspired by some other tune, Lennon stole with come together he even had to make a cover album to settle the case. I don’t see the Liam cult having problems with that song or many others. It’s just simple to cover eyes and stupidly repeat what other people say I guess. NG made a comment but it’s not as simple as people make it out to be. Or oasis would have 500 lawsuits and lost all their songwriting credits. They have not. Oh well ! 🙁 Well, Cigarettes & Alcohol was deliberate and sounds pretty obvious, but yeah Get It On was indeed a ripoff in itself Other stuff is probably unconsciously done as you said (Shakermaker, Fade Away), and some are clearly tributes (DLBIA) There is stuff that wouldn't get talked about if Noel didn't himself verbally contribute to his reputation as a thief (like Cool Prophet vs TIOBI), but personally I love how open he is about it because many do it and he's one of the few honest enough to admit it, and it also introduced me to a shitload of cool stuff, as well as being a bit of an insight into the songwriting process |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 7, 2021 14:27:57 GMT -5
Deeply judging people we don't know basing our opinions stated as facts on "the internet" and meeting them once, peak Planet Earth At least I am one who also speaks on the basis of real experiences. Everyone should have them in order to tal Mate, I haven't been that lucky, I know personally people who did and Noel's been really nice to them, but I have absolutely no doubts he can be a c*nt as well We all have good and bad days, we all have flaws and nice traits, that's how real life works There's some shitbags out there obviously, but while we can all have our own ideas based on impressions, I do think it's unfair to judge someone (nearly) none of us personally know with such extremism, I'd leave that for those who truly have committed despicable acts |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 7, 2021 14:31:20 GMT -5
speak for yourself, missy I certainly do  |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 7, 2021 14:39:31 GMT -5
So please don't come up with ridiculous things to try to make Liam a worse person than Noel because he's not at all. Of course you know both of them personally My thoughts exactly. |
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Post by walterglass on Jan 7, 2021 15:04:58 GMT -5
I’m with andymorris on the plagiarism issue. I doubt anybody has watched Oasis unplugged and honestly felt it was littered with stolen ideas. Yes there are examples but the depth of the issue is exaggerated. |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Jan 7, 2021 15:05:36 GMT -5
At least I am one who also speaks on the basis of real experiences. Everyone should have them in order to tal Mate, I haven't been that lucky, I know personally people who did and Noel's been really nice to them, but I have absolutely no doubts he can be a c*nt as well We all have good and bad days, we all have flaws and nice traits, that's how real life works There's some shitbags out there obviously, but while we can all have our own ideas based on impressions, I do think it's unfair to judge someone (nearly) none of us personally know with such extremism, I'd leave that for those who truly have committed despicable acts I just needed to get to know both brothers and follow some post-breakup dynamics to personally come to the conclusion that Noel is not for me, in fact I haven't followed him for years |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 7, 2021 15:07:32 GMT -5
I never thought Let's All Make Believe could fit on it. I tried numerous tracklisting, but it just doesnt work. I suspect Noe felt the same and the Liam story is fake. Remove Sunday Morning Call, Swap full on instead of Liar, add One way Road and Cigs in hell somewhere and it's fine as it is. LAMB is single material imo, you could easily find a place for it and One Way Road, then maybe what they needed was a better rocker than ICSAL, but Noel wasn't much in the mood at the time I get the point about LAMB though. It's really difficult to get into a good tracklisting for an actual album. Kind of like how 'The Masterplan' could never have actually have been on WTSMG because it only goes in one place on an album, and that's the end - same as Champagne Supernova. An amazing, amazing songs is LAMB, but I don't know where it fits... Probably instead of Little James, gun to head etc. |
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Post by bt95 on Jan 7, 2021 15:08:34 GMT -5
Also, I blame Noel for COVID
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 7, 2021 15:10:09 GMT -5
LAMB is single material imo, you could easily find a place for it and One Way Road, then maybe what they needed was a better rocker than ICSAL, but Noel wasn't much in the mood at the time I get the point about LAMB though. It's really difficult to get into a good tracklisting for an actual album. Kind of like how 'The Masterplan' could never have actually have been on WTSMG because it only goes in one place on an album, and that's the end - same as Champagne Supernova. An amazing, amazing songs is LAMB, but I don't know where it fits... Probably instead of Little James, gun to head etc. I'm not sure about this, put it in Put Yer Money's place and you've got a strong single and singalong kind of track in the middle of the record, then straight into One Way Road which would ideally replace Little James It fits for me |
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Post by Marissa on Jan 7, 2021 15:11:42 GMT -5
the thousands of dollars spent over the years to see his shows
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Post by chrismh on Jan 7, 2021 16:02:22 GMT -5
Mate, I haven't been that lucky, I know personally people who did and Noel's been really nice to them, but I have absolutely no doubts he can be a c*nt as well We all have good and bad days, we all have flaws and nice traits, that's how real life works There's some shitbags out there obviously, but while we can all have our own ideas based on impressions, I do think it's unfair to judge someone (nearly) none of us personally know with such extremism, I'd leave that for those who truly have committed despicable acts I just needed to get to know both brothers and follow some post-breakup dynamics to personally come to the conclusion that Noel is not for me, in fact I haven't followed him for years You haven't followed Noel for years and here you are, in a subforum dedicated to Noel's stuff and saying his solo records are overrated woow |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jan 7, 2021 16:39:15 GMT -5
I blame him for breaking my heart with beautiful melodies...
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Post by andymorris on Jan 7, 2021 16:52:48 GMT -5
I’m with andymorris on the plagiarism issue. I doubt anybody has watched Oasis unplugged and honestly felt it was littered with stolen ideas. Yes there are examples but the depth of the issue is exaggerated. The only song from their early career that’s clearly stolen is I am the walrus. They even invited the Beatles to play with them on this ripp off. No shame Noel Luckily it was kept as bside. Probably a brilliant idea from Liam to keep it off DM. Wise man |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 7, 2021 16:56:03 GMT -5
Can I blame him for introducing me to music and therefore lowering my production in the useful tasks of life?
Shameful behaviour
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Post by andymorris on Jan 7, 2021 16:58:57 GMT -5
Can I blame him for introducing me to music and therefore lowering my production in the useful tasks of life? Shameful behaviour Can’t you multitask ? I heard NG later albums are great when doing the dishes or best when hoovering. At least you can’t hear them ( wise tip tip from Liam’s cult) |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 7, 2021 17:02:39 GMT -5
Can I blame him for introducing me to music and therefore lowering my production in the useful tasks of life? Shameful behaviour Can’t you multitask ? I heard NG later albums are great when doing the dishes or best when hoovering. At least you can’t hear them ( wise tip tip from Liam’s cult) They're so bad it's distracting, you know |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 7, 2021 17:29:00 GMT -5
I blame Noel for putting crap like Put Yer Money Where Your Mouth Is and I Can See A Liar on Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants. Oh and also for making me spend my money over the years.
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