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Post by andymorris on Dec 24, 2020 12:03:58 GMT -5
Backstage talks are backstage talks, they dont mean anything. Quote me somewhere where i said believe Noel's story. I dare you. I always said the split was 50/50 their fault and truth lies inbetween the two storylines. Hell, maybe there was never a fight and it's all a marketing ploy. What i'm saying is that Liam used the poor abandonned brother tactic to sell records and his stupid fake documentary. And that people blindly fell for it. This was obviously a joke. But was it really a joke?  It was ! you have no idea how much i admired Liam up until his solo career. And i fuckin love Alan White's drumming. The rest... (maybe McCaroll, even though a shit drummer, he has his style). Oasis was a band, even Noel cant deny that. And Liam's input tremendous. Then it went to shit for no good reasons. Sadness is speaking, really. |
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Post by garylineker on Dec 24, 2020 17:20:38 GMT -5
I dont know why you'd be so adamant its Liam fanboys who go along with his narrative blindly but then go along with Noel's for the same reason. No way would he have gone without doing a solo record and making it all about him. Backstage talks are backstage talks, they dont mean anything. Quote me somewhere where i said believe Noel's story. I dare you. I always said the split was 50/50 their fault and truth lies inbetween the two storylines. Hell, maybe there was never a fight and it's all a marketing ploy. What i'm saying is that Liam used the poor abandonned brother tactic to sell records and his stupid fake documentary. And that people blindly fell for it. By this logic a lot of bands arent bands. That singer kind of turned out to be the biggest reason those songs sold like they did so it's disingenous to suggest it was like you said. This was obviously a joke. Agree with you on Liam. A lot of what he's done since Beady Eye has been stringing fans along into a narrative that paints him has the hard done by saint. The truth is always somewhere in the middle though. I wouldn't say i was "team Liam" but seeing him at his lowest point and Noel basically being happy to see him stay there made me want Liam to come back and do what he has done. The documentary was all one sided to rewrite certain things but Liam's fans had already decided that narrative before watching it, there was nothing new in it if you took Liam's side to begin with. Some of the stuff Liam has done since, like message Anais and certain personal digs at Sarah, have been unforgivable but i also see the sheer amount of baiting (some might say bullying) from Noel through the years and you just see how people react. People don't always act rationally when they're baited that much. Even going back to the interviews when they were together as a band, Liam was painted as a braindead chipmunk at times by Noel. Talentless, all about him, hardly ever a good word to say. Then since Oasis it's all been basically like yeah i did everything and the band and Liam just come in and did their bits. Me me me. 2005 they actually seemed to be getting on better than ever and the decline from somewhere from 2006-2008 was staggering. Heard all kinds of rumours about what happened and one about the "real reason" Liam and Sarah don't get on, but whatever happened it was big. They never recovered from it and i think the plan was always for them to split after Dig Out Your Soul (but not the way they did). |
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Post by The Chief on Dec 26, 2020 10:05:04 GMT -5
I know this was a joke but there had been rumours about Noel's first solo record pretty much since after the release of Morning Glory. It was written in the stars that it would happen some day! Well DM, MG and BHN are noel's solo albums. He just don't sing on it, he's got a singer featuring on it that had nothing to do with the rest of the recordings. and some other musicians that parts were probably replaced by Noel. And a drummer. and Tony. The genius of Noel Gallagher is fooling us into believing Oasis was a band. Ha ha ha ha!!! So Noel really IS the devil! But remember those statements and the press conference which Noel did ? He blamed Liam and also other members of Oasis for not stepping in to help. I'm sorry but I don't believe Noel and that the split wasn't any of his fault because of course it was. And, yes, he could've made a solo album when he was in Oasis and I remember him saying in an interview during the band's final tour that he would like all of the members of the band to do a solo album each. Actually what he was expressing is how alone he felt at that moment while Liam was out of his mind surround by several people who left him to deal with it. So he left because he didn't want to deal with it and I can't blame him. That's when he decided that he had enough of that kind of toxic touring. You can't record music with a band and not tour it. So he left the band. Oasis could have gone on without him which I think would have been destined to fail of course but would have worked better than Beady Eye just because of the name. But of course him leaving broke Oasis up. I don't know how band members stayed on this tour or even on the SOTSOG tour. It had to be dreadful. But that's how I feel like Noel's didn't plan to leave the band. He kept going even if the tour got sour and toxic really early on. We know he was already demoing music after DOYS was getting ready to be released. He could have fucked off the tour and just started his career right there and then. Was he planning a solo release? I'm sure he was and had been for years. Did he want to break Oasis up? I don't think he did. Was he really no longer able to work with Liam? At the time of the press release, that's probably how he felt after a year on the road with him but I think he would have gone back like they always did. Did he want a solo CAREER? At the time I don't think he did. Now though, I don't know why he would go back to with Oasis. He keeps saying how his tour are great with his current band, how there's no drama, etc. Personally I don't want Oasis to reform. I like the brothers better when they don't work together. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 26, 2020 10:26:46 GMT -5
Well DM, MG and BHN are noel's solo albums. He just don't sing on it, he's got a singer featuring on it that had nothing to do with the rest of the recordings. and some other musicians that parts were probably replaced by Noel. And a drummer. and Tony. The genius of Noel Gallagher is fooling us into believing Oasis was a band. Ha ha ha ha!!! So Noel really IS the devil! But remember those statements and the press conference which Noel did ? He blamed Liam and also other members of Oasis for not stepping in to help. I'm sorry but I don't believe Noel and that the split wasn't any of his fault because of course it was. And, yes, he could've made a solo album when he was in Oasis and I remember him saying in an interview during the band's final tour that he would like all of the members of the band to do a solo album each. Actually what he was expressing is how alone he felt at that moment while Liam was out of his mind surround by several people who left him to deal with it. So he left because he didn't want to deal with it and I can't blame him. That's when he decided that he had enough of that kind of toxic touring. You can't record music with a band and not tour it. So he left the band. Oasis could have gone on without him which I think would have been destined to fail of course but would have worked better than Beady Eye just because of the name. But of course him leaving broke Oasis up. I don't know how band members stayed on this tour or even on the SOTSOG tour. It had to be dreadful. But that's how I feel like Noel's didn't plan to leave the band. He kept going even if the tour got sour and toxic really early on. We know he was already demoing music after DOYS was getting ready to be released. He could have fucked off the tour and just started his career right there and then. Was he planning a solo release? I'm sure he was and had been for years. Did he want to break Oasis up? I don't think he did. Was he really no longer able to work with Liam? At the time of the press release, that's probably how he felt after a year on the road with him but I think he would have gone back like they always did. Did he want a solo CAREER? At the time I don't think he did. Now though, I don't know why he would go back to with Oasis. He keeps saying how his tour are great with his current band, how there's no drama, etc. Personally I don't want Oasis to reform. I like the brothers better when they don't work together. Nah, he threw Andy Bell under the bus. After a career spent arguing with his brother where he didn’t seem to care if any one stepped in, I don’t remember him mentioning it anyway. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 26, 2020 11:09:36 GMT -5
Nah, he threw Andy Bell under the bus. After a career spent arguing with his brother where he didn’t seem to care if any one stepped in, I don’t remember him mentioning it anyway. Maybe Andy Bell was actually really looking at his shoes. I guess he expected some kind of support from him, he wouldn't have said that otherwise. Maybe they had lots of intimate talks about that, maybe maybe, maybe not. Anyway, Noel sucks. We all know that. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 26, 2020 11:13:21 GMT -5
Nah, he threw Andy Bell under the bus. After a career spent arguing with his brother where he didn’t seem to care if any one stepped in, I don’t remember him mentioning it anyway. Maybe Andy Bell was actually really looking at his shoes. I guess he expected some kind of support from him, he wouldn't have said that otherwise. Maybe they had lots of intimate talks about that, maybe maybe, maybe not. Anyway, Noel sucks. We all know that. Didn’t seem to be a problem in Barcelona in 2000? Also never heard him single out any of the old members of the band. Wouldn’t have said it otherwise? 😂 You talk as if Noel is a straight up bloke who doesn’t enjoy telling a tall story to suit. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 26, 2020 11:34:43 GMT -5
Maybe Andy Bell was actually really looking at his shoes. I guess he expected some kind of support from him, he wouldn't have said that otherwise. Maybe they had lots of intimate talks about that, maybe maybe, maybe not. Anyway, Noel sucks. We all know that. Didn’t seem to be a problem in Barcelona in 2000? Also never heard him single out any of the old members of the band. Wouldn’t have said it otherwise? 😂 You talk as if Noel is a straight up bloke who doesn’t enjoy telling a tall story to suit. 2000 = / = 2009. this is 9 years later, a lot happens between people in 9 years. Relationship are created and destroyed. Noel and Andy didnt know each other in 2000. He had just joined, first tour. Andy would never have said anything in 00s, he was just a touring member back then (salary wise, status too, on test). Maybe we read Noel and Andy's relationship wrong, and they were actually close. who knows. Noel shouldn't have said that, but to me, it came from the heart. And we know Noel can be hard with people he had respect for before. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 26, 2020 12:44:33 GMT -5
Didn’t seem to be a problem in Barcelona in 2000? Also never heard him single out any of the old members of the band. Wouldn’t have said it otherwise? 😂 You talk as if Noel is a straight up bloke who doesn’t enjoy telling a tall story to suit. 2000 = / = 2009. this is 9 years later, a lot happens between people in 9 years. Relationship are created and destroyed. Noel and Andy didnt know each other in 2000. He had just joined, first tour. Andy would never have said anything in 00s, he was just a touring member back then (salary wise, status too, on test). Maybe we read Noel and Andy's relationship wrong, and they were actually close. who knows. Noel shouldn't have said that, but to me, it came from the heart. And we know Noel can be hard with people he had respect for before. Fair enough. I thought the press conference was a sham with Noel playing to the gallery of his media friends. |
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Post by powerage09 on Dec 26, 2020 13:48:26 GMT -5
Some observations:
1. Noel could never have released a solo album whilst in Oasis. Liam would have killed him, it would have taken Oasis off the road for between 4 - 6 years because of the speed at which Noel generally works.
2. The lack of relationship between Liam and Sara seems to built on immense hatred these days, very few bands could survive that. Oasis definitely can't. No blame from me apportioned to either side on this one.
3. Noel's Andy Bell story from his press conference is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard and I've always thought that from the second I watched him say it. No sane person would get involved in a Gallagher's brothers argument / fight, especially someone with at that time 9 years experience of being on the road with them. It's just more Noel-washing for the media.
4. Noel's gone awol / binned off shows during tours enough times so it's not surprising when he had a go at Liam in 2009 about it Liam threatened to sue him.
5. Liam flys the flag for Oasis, always has always will. Thats why so many are team Liam. Because we're team Oasis.
This leads me onto my final point...
6. Anyone that doesn't want (Insert band here) to reunite, is not a fan of that band.
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Post by tommybravo on Dec 26, 2020 16:25:41 GMT -5
Anyone that doesn't want (Insert band here) to reunite, is not a fan of that band. Wrong. |
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Post by powerage09 on Dec 26, 2020 16:57:16 GMT -5
Anyone that doesn't want (Insert band here) to reunite, is not a fan of that band. Wrong. Think of a band you don't like. Would you go see them live? No. Would you buy an album? No. What's the difference? |
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Post by My Big Name on Dec 26, 2020 18:41:07 GMT -5
Think of a band you don't like. Would you go see them live? No. Would you buy an album? No. What's the difference? You're making the assumption that no band declines in quality or reaches a point where a reunion doesn't make sense. |
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Post by powerage09 on Dec 26, 2020 20:26:52 GMT -5
Think of a band you don't like. Would you go see them live? No. Would you buy an album? No. What's the difference? What are you talking about? What’s the difference between what? This makes no sense, of course I wouldn’t go to see a band live I don’t like, of course I wouldn’t buy their music. But if I don’t want a band to reunite you’re telling me I’m not a fan of theirs. That’s where you’re wrong. I love the kinks but do I want them to reunite in 2020? No, no I don’t. Why wouldn't you go see the Kinks? I reckon it would be a great show. I've never seen them before. Tickets would be expensive but chances are it would be a one time deal. It's not 1967, go enjoy an evening of music played by the people who wrote it and recorded it. They will all be dead soon. Think of a band you don't like. Would you go see them live? No. Would you buy an album? No. What's the difference? You're making the assumption that no band declines in quality or reaches a point where a reunion doesn't make sense. Most of the bands I see are in their 70s now, they can all still pull it off. Examples, The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Roger Waters and The Eagles. I wish I could have seen Van Halen before Edward died. Your two points I'm afraid never come into it for me because whilst my taste in music is stuck in the 1970s, I don't look at Mick Jagger and blame him for not being 22 anymore or get pissed off at Keith Richards because he's had his teeth fixed. If Led Zeppelin reunited, I would do everything in my power to get a ticket, not question whether or not it will affect their legacy if the band doesn't sound like it did at Earls Court in 1975. It's about the excitement of the lights going out, not knowing the setlist, experiencing the show and coming away with your mates thinking "this is why I go to work, to earn the money to experience these shows." Sitting at home listening to Definitely Maybe on cold wet January day and proclaiming thank fuck they're never going to reunite, it wouldn't be the same as Knebworth or the G-Mex is absolutely nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 20:33:45 GMT -5
Some observations: 1. Noel could never have released a solo album whilst in Oasis. Liam would have killed him, it would have taken Oasis off the road for between 4 - 6 years because of the speed at which Noel generally works. 2. The lack of relationship between Liam and Sara seems to built on immense hatred these days, very few bands could survive that. Oasis definitely can't. No blame from me apportioned to either side on this one. 3. Noel's Andy Bell story from his press conference is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard and I've always thought that from the second I watched him say it. No sane person would get involved in a Gallagher's brothers argument / fight, especially someone with at that time 9 years experience of being on the road with them. It's just more Noel-washing for the media. 4. Noel's gone awol / binned off shows during tours enough times so it's not surprising when he had a go at Liam in 2009 about it Liam threatened to sue him. 5. Liam flys the flag for Oasis, always has always will. Thats why so many are team Liam. Because we're team Oasis. This leads me onto my final point... 6. Anyone that doesn't want (Insert band here) to reunite, is not a fan of that band. Is this the manifesto of team Liam? |
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Post by underneaththesky on Dec 26, 2020 20:34:37 GMT -5
"3 albums and we're OUT" - NG
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 20:44:45 GMT -5
Think of a band you don't like. Would you go see them live? No. Would you buy an album? No. What's the difference? What are you talking about? What’s the difference between what? This makes no sense, of course I wouldn’t go to see a band live I don’t like, of course I wouldn’t buy their music. But if I don’t want a band to reunite you’re telling me I’m not a fan of theirs. That’s where you’re wrong. I love the kinks but do I want them to reunite in 2020? No, no I don’t. I guess everybody is waiting for Paul making that call to Ringo  |
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Post by powerage09 on Dec 27, 2020 8:15:10 GMT -5
Some observations: 1. Noel could never have released a solo album whilst in Oasis. Liam would have killed him, it would have taken Oasis off the road for between 4 - 6 years because of the speed at which Noel generally works. 2. The lack of relationship between Liam and Sara seems to built on immense hatred these days, very few bands could survive that. Oasis definitely can't. No blame from me apportioned to either side on this one. 3. Noel's Andy Bell story from his press conference is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard and I've always thought that from the second I watched him say it. No sane person would get involved in a Gallagher's brothers argument / fight, especially someone with at that time 9 years experience of being on the road with them. It's just more Noel-washing for the media. 4. Noel's gone awol / binned off shows during tours enough times so it's not surprising when he had a go at Liam in 2009 about it Liam threatened to sue him. 5. Liam flys the flag for Oasis, always has always will. Thats why so many are team Liam. Because we're team Oasis. This leads me onto my final point... 6. Anyone that doesn't want (Insert band here) to reunite, is not a fan of that band. Is this the manifesto of team Liam? Not at all, just my thoughts on the subjects raised in the thread. The first Noel solo album is really good, I can't stand the second and third. First Beady Eye album is excellent, second is unlistenable and shouldn't have been released. What are you talking about? What’s the difference between what? This makes no sense, of course I wouldn’t go to see a band live I don’t like, of course I wouldn’t buy their music. But if I don’t want a band to reunite you’re telling me I’m not a fan of theirs. That’s where you’re wrong. I love the kinks but do I want them to reunite in 2020? No, no I don’t. I guess everybody is waiting for Paul making that call to Ringo Could be brilliant, Paul and Ringo working together. They could split the show in half, first set is Q&A and stories, second half selected tracks from Beatles back catalogue. Would lend itself to smaller venues rather than stadiums. |
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Post by My Big Name on Dec 27, 2020 8:44:17 GMT -5
You're making the assumption that no band declines in quality or reaches a point where a reunion doesn't make sense. Most of the bands I see are in their 70s now, they can all still pull it off. Examples, The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Roger Waters and The Eagles. I wish I could have seen Van Halen before Edward died. Your two points I'm afraid never come into it for me because whilst my taste in music is stuck in the 1970s, I don't look at Mick Jagger and blame him for not being 22 anymore or get pissed off at Keith Richards because he's had his teeth fixed. If Led Zeppelin reunited, I would do everything in my power to get a ticket, not question whether or not it will affect their legacy if the band doesn't sound like it did at Earls Court in 1975. It's about the excitement of the lights going out, not knowing the setlist, experiencing the show and coming away with your mates thinking "this is why I go to work, to earn the money to experience these shows." Sitting at home listening to Definitely Maybe on cold wet January day and proclaiming thank fuck they're never going to reunite, it wouldn't be the same as Knebworth or the G-Mex is absolutely nonsense. Well I'm glad you enjoy your favourite artists still performing when they are well past their prime but to act as if anyone who wouldn't be interested in that never liked the band in the first place is just gatekeeping. I actually went to see the Stones a couple years ago and while I did have a good time it was basically just a nostalgia act and didn't have anywhere near the impact it would've in the 70s. It's the same with Oasis, a big part of why Knebworth and Maine Road were such monumental gigs was the cultural significance they had and the fact that a few lads from Manchester had gone from the dole to being the biggest band in the world in a matter of 2 years (plus obviously Liam's voice being at the top of it's game). Fast forward to today where Liam's voice isn't what it once was and oasis are no longer the band of the people then it's impossible to recreate the magic and just comes across as them phoning it in IMO. |
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Post by powerage09 on Dec 27, 2020 9:26:49 GMT -5
Most of the bands I see are in their 70s now, they can all still pull it off. Examples, The Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, Roger Waters and The Eagles. I wish I could have seen Van Halen before Edward died. Your two points I'm afraid never come into it for me because whilst my taste in music is stuck in the 1970s, I don't look at Mick Jagger and blame him for not being 22 anymore or get pissed off at Keith Richards because he's had his teeth fixed. If Led Zeppelin reunited, I would do everything in my power to get a ticket, not question whether or not it will affect their legacy if the band doesn't sound like it did at Earls Court in 1975. It's about the excitement of the lights going out, not knowing the setlist, experiencing the show and coming away with your mates thinking "this is why I go to work, to earn the money to experience these shows." Sitting at home listening to Definitely Maybe on cold wet January day and proclaiming thank fuck they're never going to reunite, it wouldn't be the same as Knebworth or the G-Mex is absolutely nonsense. Well I'm glad you enjoy your favourite artists still performing when they are well past their prime but to act as if anyone who wouldn't be interested in that never liked the band in the first place is just gatekeeping. I actually went to see the Stones a couple years ago and while I did have a good time it was basically just a nostalgia act and didn't have anywhere near the impact it would've in the 70s. It's the same with Oasis, a big part of why Knebworth and Maine Road were such monumental gigs was the cultural significance they had and the fact that a few lads from Manchester had gone from the dole to being the biggest band in the world in a matter of 2 years (plus obviously Liam's voice being at the top of it's game). Fast forward to today where Liam's voice isn't what it once was and oasis are no longer the band of the people then it's impossible to recreate the magic and just comes across as them phoning it in IMO. In my opinion, you have got it the wrong way round. It is you that is the gate keeper not me. You're wanting to deny others the opportunity to see an event or show or experience new music because you don't think it will live up to it's prime. You've turned musicians into pro athletes, given them shelf lives, to be discarded after x amount of time because they're no longer at the top of their game. Anyone over the age of 35 shouldn't play guitar or be in a band? Anyone with a bank balance that's no longer hungry or working to get out of Manchester / Detroit / Seattle etc? Anyone who's voice may change between tours? If a singer thas a throat operation like Robert Plant, that's it for you? I've seen the Who a number of times and Dalrey always gives Won't Get Fooled Again a bloody good go when it comes to the scream. I don't understand why people attack nostalgia. Does this mean you would never go see a band performing an album in it's entierity? Chances are it's from their back catalogue. What if you were an enormous Pearl Jam fan and they announced they were performing Ten? You love the album but wouldn't go see it live? Same with Red Hot Chili Peppers and Blood Sugar Sex Magik or even Arctic Monkeys and their debut album? Live music is my favourite part of music, maybe I would rather see someone in the flesh performing tracks than listen to a perfect vocal delivery in a studio setting that was recorded in 1969 that they couldn't hit now. It's not like Oasis were an acrobatic live act, they stood their hammering out tunes night after night. Turn up, plug in, blow us away. |
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Post by The Chief on Dec 27, 2020 9:59:18 GMT -5
Right, so much to unpack here... 1. Noel could never have released a solo album whilst in Oasis. Liam would have killed him, it would have taken Oasis off the road for between 4 - 6 years because of the speed at which Noel generally works. So... it would have created a conflict with Liam... which is different... how? And maybe then Liam would have broken Oasis up and Noel would have been able to blame Liam as it's been suggested in this thread... 3. Noel's Andy Bell story from his press conference is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard and I've always thought that from the second I watched him say it. No sane person would get involved in a Gallagher's brothers argument / fight, especially someone with at that time 9 years experience of being on the road with them. It's just more Noel-washing for the media. I agree that no one would get in between them especially when it was as violent as it was described, no matter if they had worst as Liam and Paul claim. But, that's why I think he was expressing feeling isolated at that moment rather than throwing Andy under the bus. Remember that on that tour Noel had his own dressing room, his own bus, he never hung out with the other band members and so on. Now you have Liam in a rage after nearly a year of palpable and obvious tension and Noel has to deal with it alone and he decided to leave. It was the culmination of everything that had happen in the past year that just blew up. 4. Noel's gone awol / binned off shows during tours enough times so it's not surprising when he had a go at Liam in 2009 about it Liam threatened to sue him. The suit was about Noel saying Liam had a hangover and not laryngitis. I don't see the link with the number of times Noel left tours. 5. Liam flys the flag for Oasis, always has always will. Thats why so many are team Liam. Because we're team Oasis. He does. But, that doesn't mean everything he says is true. The same can be said about Noel too. No matter the reasons given, Noel doesn't want it anymore. Liam can go on these rants about Sara and all that shite, I don't believe him. Liam's no saint and has done nothing to deserve that anyone drink his words like water. In between the Gallagher brothers there is a truth about why the band broke up. We'll never know the real reason. All we know if Liam has a version and Noel has a version and everyone who was in the band as well. We weren't there, we will never know. All we know right now is that Noel doesn't want to be in Oasis anymore. Period. End of story. If Liam can't stomach that after 10 years, 2 very successful solo records and subsequent tours, that's his problem, not Noel's or ours. 6. Anyone that doesn't want (Insert band here) to reunite, is not a fan of that band. Let me show you a different point of view: I have been a proper hardcore fan of Oasis since 1995. Where I live (not an American) they were never big. Yet, I was still a huge fan. I went to gigs by myself because my friends were not Oasis fans. I bought the records, the singles, the rarities, downloaded the SOTSOG demos, made my own b-sides compilations. As a teenager, I copied Liam's walk and wore the same clothes. My first guitar was a cheap copy of a Les Paul and then a cheap copy of an Epiphone. I learned to play guitar, bass, piano, drums and write songs because of Noel. I was admittedly always more of a Noel fan that Oasis itself because I never identified to Liam growing up. But I loved that band. I loved Liam on stage, in interviews, loved Bonehead's passion and still do. I listened to a taped from TV version of the There and Then concert on my Walkman over and over for months. I can even quote the interview bits in between songs to this day! I wrote an angered email to a TV host who did a bad critic of Be Here Now (and the Internet was not mainstream then). I bought every record by a Gallagher on the day it came out, bar the first two. Oasis were a huge part of the person I am today. So yeah, I'm a real Oasis fan. Now, why don't I want them to reunite? Well as a fan, I would love it. I've been hoping that Whitey's Instagram videos are a sign that he might want to do something with Liam and Bonehead in 2021. I'm not holding my breath, but I would love that. I always love seeing Bonehead on stage with Liam. But the last thing I want is a band in the state it was during the DOYS tour. Truth be told, both Liam and Noel are better off without Oasis. Noel's making amazing music in any genre he so desires. Liam's making his own records, albeit more formulaic, but that's the Liam we've always known. But he's in charge. It's his band. He can still write his odd song here and there and has great songwriters for the rest. His voice has gotten better. In other words, right now, Liam and Noel are better artistically and personally, Liam's growing into his own and all of that is going on without fights or drama. So, to me, this feels like a way better situation that what they had in the end which I don't wish anyone, especially not my two favourite artists. Not at all, just my thoughts on the subjects raised in the thread. The first Noel solo album is really good, I can't stand the second and third. First Beady Eye album is excellent, second is unlistenable and shouldn't have been released. That's another place where we won't agree. NGHFB is Noel's weakest solo album for me. It's amazing but my favourite is Who Build The Moon followed by Chasing Yesterday. NGHFB was the most formulaic one and it could have been an Oasis record, which would have been fine but I prefer where Noel went after (bar the EPs which are meh). The first Beady Eye record is dreadful. Only 6 maybe 7 of the 13 songs on the actual record are any good. The songs were left overs from past Oasis records and it shows unfortunately. BE is amazing and I really wish it had been better promoted and that they could have toured it properly. But that's all a question of taste in the end. You're more into simpler rock and roll, and that's just fine, you do you! In the end, it's only music! |
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Post by My Big Name on Dec 27, 2020 10:00:40 GMT -5
Well I'm glad you enjoy your favourite artists still performing when they are well past their prime but to act as if anyone who wouldn't be interested in that never liked the band in the first place is just gatekeeping. I actually went to see the Stones a couple years ago and while I did have a good time it was basically just a nostalgia act and didn't have anywhere near the impact it would've in the 70s. It's the same with Oasis, a big part of why Knebworth and Maine Road were such monumental gigs was the cultural significance they had and the fact that a few lads from Manchester had gone from the dole to being the biggest band in the world in a matter of 2 years (plus obviously Liam's voice being at the top of it's game). Fast forward to today where Liam's voice isn't what it once was and oasis are no longer the band of the people then it's impossible to recreate the magic and just comes across as them phoning it in IMO. In my opinion, you have got it the wrong way round. It is you that is the gate keeper not me. You're wanting to deny others the opportunity to see an event or show or experience new music because you don't think it will live up to it's prime. You've turned musicians into pro athletes, given them shelf lives, to be discarded after x amount of time because they're no longer at the top of their game. Anyone over the age of 35 shouldn't play guitar or be in a band? Anyone with a bank balance that's no longer hungry or working to get out of Manchester / Detroit / Seattle etc? Anyone who's voice may change between tours? If a singer thas a throat operation like Robert Plant, that's it for you? I've seen the Who a number of times and Dalrey always gives Won't Get Fooled Again a bloody good go when it comes to the scream. I don't understand why people attack nostalgia. Does this mean you would never go see a band performing an album in it's entierity? Chances are it's from their back catalogue. What if you were an enormous Pearl Jam fan and they announced they were performing Ten? You love the album but wouldn't go see it live? Same with Red Hot Chili Peppers and Blood Sugar Sex Magik or even Arctic Monkeys and their debut album? Live music is my favourite part of music, maybe I would rather see someone in the flesh performing tracks than listen to a perfect vocal delivery in a studio setting that was recorded in 1969 that they couldn't hit now. It's not like Oasis were an acrobatic live act, they stood their hammering out tunes night after night. Turn up, plug in, blow us away. I don't want to deny anyone the opportunity to see any event, I literally said I'm glad that you enjoy watching those acts however old they are. I am just making reference to the fact that you are acting like there is absolutely no reason why someone wouldn't want to see a band that was good 50 years ago perform now when there clearly is. As musicians age a lot of them decline in ability, especially vocalists, it's just a fact. For some people, like you, this isn't a problem and they can tolerate a lackluster performance so long as the songs are still there which is completely fine and all the more power to you. There are also clearly going to be people who don't want to fork over £80 to see a lower quality version of a band they love and can you really blame them? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 27, 2020 10:54:44 GMT -5
“The best songs I ever wrote are Live Forever, Wonderwall and Magic Pie.”
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Post by tiger40 on Dec 27, 2020 14:22:13 GMT -5
Some observations: 1. Noel could never have released a solo album whilst in Oasis. Liam would have killed him, it would have taken Oasis off the road for between 4 - 6 years because of the speed at which Noel generally works. 2. The lack of relationship between Liam and Sara seems to built on immense hatred these days, very few bands could survive that. Oasis definitely can't. No blame from me apportioned to either side on this one. 3. Noel's Andy Bell story from his press conference is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard and I've always thought that from the second I watched him say it. No sane person would get involved in a Gallagher's brothers argument / fight, especially someone with at that time 9 years experience of being on the road with them. It's just more Noel-washing for the media. 4. Noel's gone awol / binned off shows during tours enough times so it's not surprising when he had a go at Liam in 2009 about it Liam threatened to sue him. 5. Liam flys the flag for Oasis, always has always will. Thats why so many are team Liam. Because we're team Oasis. This leads me onto my final point... 6. Anyone that doesn't want (Insert band here) to reunite, is not a fan of that band. What? That's a load of crap saying that anyone who doesn't want a band (or in this case Oasis) to reunite isn't a fan of that band. That's just ridiculous, I've been a hard core fan since the 90s and if I wasn't a fan then I wouldn't still be following Noel and Liam or buying everything they put out etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 16:44:39 GMT -5
Is this the manifesto of team Liam? Not at all, just my thoughts on the subjects raised in the thread. The first Noel solo album is really good, I can't stand the second and third. First Beady Eye album is excellent, second is unlistenable and shouldn't have been released. I guess everybody is waiting for Paul making that call to Ringo Could be brilliant, Paul and Ringo working together. They could split the show in half, first set is Q&A and stories, second half selected tracks from Beatles back catalogue. Would lend itself to smaller venues rather than stadiums. Hopefully you are not serious. |
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Post by powerage09 on Dec 27, 2020 17:37:18 GMT -5
Right, so much to unpack here... 1. Noel could never have released a solo album whilst in Oasis. Liam would have killed him, it would have taken Oasis off the road for between 4 - 6 years because of the speed at which Noel generally works. So... it would have created a conflict with Liam... which is different... how? And maybe then Liam would have broken Oasis up and Noel would have been able to blame Liam as it's been suggested in this thread... Liam wouldn't have walked away from Oasis. Noel is the only person who could have split Oasis up and he did. 3. Noel's Andy Bell story from his press conference is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard and I've always thought that from the second I watched him say it. No sane person would get involved in a Gallagher's brothers argument / fight, especially someone with at that time 9 years experience of being on the road with them. It's just more Noel-washing for the media. I agree that no one would get in between them especially when it was as violent as it was described, no matter if they had worst as Liam and Paul claim. But, that's why I think he was expressing feeling isolated at that moment rather than throwing Andy under the bus. Remember that on that tour Noel had his own dressing room, his own bus, he never hung out with the other band members and so on. Now you have Liam in a rage after nearly a year of palpable and obvious tension and Noel has to deal with it alone and he decided to leave. It was the culmination of everything that had happen in the past year that just blew up. The whole thing is a vicious cycle between the two of them. I can fully sympathise with both brothers on this one, but Noel getting upset he's on his own after touring for a year like that and digging out Andy I think is stupid.4. Noel's gone awol / binned off shows during tours enough times so it's not surprising when he had a go at Liam in 2009 about it Liam threatened to sue him. The suit was about Noel saying Liam had a hangover and not laryngitis. I don't see the link with the number of times Noel left tours. Missed gigs / cancelled gigs is the link. Noel got away with it because he wrote Talk Tonight in 95 out of it and most fans gloss over the 2000 European tour because they pretend the SOTSOG album and tour cycle didn't exist.5. Liam flys the flag for Oasis, always has always will. Thats why so many are team Liam. Because we're team Oasis. He does. But, that doesn't mean everything he says is true. The same can be said about Noel too. No matter the reasons given, Noel doesn't want it anymore. Liam can go on these rants about Sara and all that shite, I don't believe him. Liam's no saint and has done nothing to deserve that anyone drink his words like water. In between the Gallagher brothers there is a truth about why the band broke up. We'll never know the real reason. All we know if Liam has a version and Noel has a version and everyone who was in the band as well. We weren't there, we will never know. All we know right now is that Noel doesn't want to be in Oasis anymore. Period. End of story. If Liam can't stomach that after 10 years, 2 very successful solo records and subsequent tours, that's his problem, not Noel's or ours. I agree with this except the last part, Liam obviously feels the same way that I do and countless other fans in that they miss Oasis. For Liam that'll be compounnded by the family issues that have arisen out of it.6. Anyone that doesn't want (Insert band here) to reunite, is not a fan of that band. Let me show you a different point of view: I have been a proper hardcore fan of Oasis since 1995. Where I live (not an American) they were never big. Yet, I was still a huge fan. I went to gigs by myself because my friends were not Oasis fans. I bought the records, the singles, the rarities, downloaded the SOTSOG demos, made my own b-sides compilations. As a teenager, I copied Liam's walk and wore the same clothes. My first guitar was a cheap copy of a Les Paul and then a cheap copy of an Epiphone. I learned to play guitar, bass, piano, drums and write songs because of Noel. I was admittedly always more of a Noel fan that Oasis itself because I never identified to Liam growing up. But I loved that band. I loved Liam on stage, in interviews, loved Bonehead's passion and still do. I listened to a taped from TV version of the There and Then concert on my Walkman over and over for months. I can even quote the interview bits in between songs to this day! I wrote an angered email to a TV host who did a bad critic of Be Here Now (and the Internet was not mainstream then). I bought every record by a Gallagher on the day it came out, bar the first two. Oasis were a huge part of the person I am today. So yeah, I'm a real Oasis fan. Now, why don't I want them to reunite? Well as a fan, I would love it. I've been hoping that Whitey's Instagram videos are a sign that he might want to do something with Liam and Bonehead in 2021. I'm not holding my breath, but I would love that. I always love seeing Bonehead on stage with Liam. But the last thing I want is a band in the state it was during the DOYS tour. Truth be told, both Liam and Noel are better off without Oasis. Noel's making amazing music in any genre he so desires. Liam's making his own records, albeit more formulaic, but that's the Liam we've always known. But he's in charge. It's his band. He can still write his odd song here and there and has great songwriters for the rest. His voice has gotten better. In other words, right now, Liam and Noel are better artistically and personally, Liam's growing into his own and all of that is going on without fights or drama. So, to me, this feels like a way better situation that what they had in the end which I don't wish anyone, especially not my two favourite artists. They're at war with each other. That's not my definition of personal growth at all, that is worse than when they were binning off tours and missing recording sessions, inbetween the hundreds of gigs they performed without issues. Every band has issues. Every band has good years and bad years.
They're in their 50s, they're grown men who should know better.Not at all, just my thoughts on the subjects raised in the thread. The first Noel solo album is really good, I can't stand the second and third. First Beady Eye album is excellent, second is unlistenable and shouldn't have been released. That's another place where we won't agree. NGHFB is Noel's weakest solo album for me. It's amazing but my favourite is Who Build The Moon followed by Chasing Yesterday. NGHFB was the most formulaic one and it could have been an Oasis record, which would have been fine but I prefer where Noel went after (bar the EPs which are meh). The first Beady Eye record is dreadful. Only 6 maybe 7 of the 13 songs on the actual record are any good. The songs were left overs from past Oasis records and it shows unfortunately. BE is amazing and I really wish it had been better promoted and that they could have toured it properly. But that's all a question of taste in the end. You're more into simpler rock and roll, and that's just fine, you do you! In the end, it's only music! We clearly disagree which is totally fine man. I think a combination of NGHFB and and first Beady Eye album would have made a fantastic Oasis record. Certainly better than the last 3 and I love all 3 of them for different reasons. In my opinion, you have got it the wrong way round. It is you that is the gate keeper not me. You're wanting to deny others the opportunity to see an event or show or experience new music because you don't think it will live up to it's prime. You've turned musicians into pro athletes, given them shelf lives, to be discarded after x amount of time because they're no longer at the top of their game. Anyone over the age of 35 shouldn't play guitar or be in a band? Anyone with a bank balance that's no longer hungry or working to get out of Manchester / Detroit / Seattle etc? Anyone who's voice may change between tours? If a singer thas a throat operation like Robert Plant, that's it for you? I've seen the Who a number of times and Dalrey always gives Won't Get Fooled Again a bloody good go when it comes to the scream. I don't understand why people attack nostalgia. Does this mean you would never go see a band performing an album in it's entierity? Chances are it's from their back catalogue. What if you were an enormous Pearl Jam fan and they announced they were performing Ten? You love the album but wouldn't go see it live? Same with Red Hot Chili Peppers and Blood Sugar Sex Magik or even Arctic Monkeys and their debut album? Live music is my favourite part of music, maybe I would rather see someone in the flesh performing tracks than listen to a perfect vocal delivery in a studio setting that was recorded in 1969 that they couldn't hit now. It's not like Oasis were an acrobatic live act, they stood their hammering out tunes night after night. Turn up, plug in, blow us away. I don't want to deny anyone the opportunity to see any event, I literally said I'm glad that you enjoy watching those acts however old they are. I am just making reference to the fact that you are acting like there is absolutely no reason why someone wouldn't want to see a band that was good 50 years ago perform now when there clearly is. As musicians age a lot of them decline in ability, especially vocalists, it's just a fact. For some people, like you, this isn't a problem and they can tolerate a lackluster performance so long as the songs are still there which is completely fine and all the more power to you. There are also clearly going to be people who don't want to fork over £80 to see a lower quality version of a band they love and can you really blame them? Fair play, we disagree on this. Some observations: 1. Noel could never have released a solo album whilst in Oasis. Liam would have killed him, it would have taken Oasis off the road for between 4 - 6 years because of the speed at which Noel generally works. 2. The lack of relationship between Liam and Sara seems to built on immense hatred these days, very few bands could survive that. Oasis definitely can't. No blame from me apportioned to either side on this one. 3. Noel's Andy Bell story from his press conference is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard and I've always thought that from the second I watched him say it. No sane person would get involved in a Gallagher's brothers argument / fight, especially someone with at that time 9 years experience of being on the road with them. It's just more Noel-washing for the media. 4. Noel's gone awol / binned off shows during tours enough times so it's not surprising when he had a go at Liam in 2009 about it Liam threatened to sue him. 5. Liam flys the flag for Oasis, always has always will. Thats why so many are team Liam. Because we're team Oasis. This leads me onto my final point... 6. Anyone that doesn't want (Insert band here) to reunite, is not a fan of that band. What? That's a load of crap saying that anyone who doesn't want a band (or in this case Oasis) to reunite isn't a fan of that band. That's just ridiculous, I've been a hard core fan since the 90s and if I wasn't a fan then I wouldn't still be following Noel and Liam or buying everything they put out etc. You buy everything they put out, but you wouldn't buy a ticket for an Oasis reunion tour? Not at all, just my thoughts on the subjects raised in the thread. The first Noel solo album is really good, I can't stand the second and third. First Beady Eye album is excellent, second is unlistenable and shouldn't have been released. Could be brilliant, Paul and Ringo working together. They could split the show in half, first set is Q&A and stories, second half selected tracks from Beatles back catalogue. Would lend itself to smaller venues rather than stadiums. Hopefully you are not serious. Deadly serious, could be great. You do know both of them still tour regularly right? Paul McCartney currently has a number one album in the UK. The 21st Century Doors played Wembley Arena in the 2000's with Ian Astbury. Led Zeppelin's Celebration Day is immense. Alice in Chains exist without Layne. Stone Temple Pilots without Scott. Wayne Kramer has ressurected MC5 multiple times and they've all been great versions of the band, even with him as the only member in the MC50 version. Even death is not an obstacle these days. |
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