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Post by Velo on Dec 17, 2020 21:29:22 GMT -5
Liam sounds great but that awful strumming (reminiscent of the once demo) sounds off pace. I've mentioned before i find the way of Liam recording and sending off the vocal for everyone else to do as they please a bit soulless, but i really hate the way they edit his voice. It's like they ask him to sing in a lower key and then make it faster afterwards. Then completely take any of the rawness out of his voice. Since Liam has gone solo I continuously find myself downloading superior live versions to the lazily produced album tracks. i like this demo but I do wonder if they recorded the guitar to his vocals after the fact. like this feels more like those fanmade projects you hear on youtube and not the real starting point, you know? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 17, 2020 22:01:58 GMT -5
Damn. That demo keeps getting taken down before I can rip it!!!!!
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Post by theunderclass on Dec 18, 2020 2:40:31 GMT -5
Lossless version of the demo for sale on junodownload ... wasn't expecting that, cool to have a copy!  |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 18, 2020 2:54:02 GMT -5
Weird guitar player, completely off. But very nice version. Or maybe that's the engineer's fault hen editing this.  I've mentioned before i find the way of Liam recording and sending off the vocal for everyone else to do as they please a bit soulless, but i really hate the way they edit his voice. It's like they ask him to sing in a lower key and then make it faster afterwards. Then completely take any of the rawness out of his voice. Spot on, but this technique (faster, higher edit in the studio) is used to make him sing that he couldn't sing in another key, so it's understandable. By the way hearing it, it's crystal clear now with that version that he couldn't possibly be live on Ross, he's struggling on those high notes. But what do i know right (or left). |
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 18, 2020 3:00:26 GMT -5
Vinyls out today. Red 7# is sold out now.
Although my copy of a white vinyl from official store is on the way, I would go to my local record store to pick a copy today if it would have been open.
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Dec 18, 2020 4:30:52 GMT -5
Weird guitar player, completely off. But very nice version. Or maybe that's the engineer's fault hen editing this. I've mentioned before i find the way of Liam recording and sending off the vocal for everyone else to do as they please a bit soulless, but i really hate the way they edit his voice. It's like they ask him to sing in a lower key and then make it faster afterwards. Then completely take any of the rawness out of his voice. Spot on, but this technique (faster, higher edit in the studio) is used to make him sing that he couldn't sing in another key, so it's understandable. By the way hearing it, it's crystal clear now with that version that he couldn't possibly be live on Ross, he's struggling on those high notes. But what do i know right (or left). in my opinion, instead he sang it live, both by JR and on the River Thames. It is clear that he is not pretending |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 18, 2020 4:50:40 GMT -5
By the way hearing it, it's crystal clear now with that version that he couldn't possibly be live on Ross, he's struggling on those high notes. But what do i know right (or left). Serious question. Let's leave behind scarf or no scarf, take one or take three, left or right for a second. He's obviously at the edge of his range in this recording (I get the feeling Liam likes being there in a weird way, like it's a high-wire act that makes the song more interesting), but if he could do it the once with a bit of polish, why do you say he couldn't possibly, barring a Christmas miracle, do it a couple more times with a bit of polish in post? There was no wear on his vocal cords in the meantime so we can assume conditions were similar. So why could he not struggle yet prevail the same way on 3 different occasions producing similar results? Not sure I'm getting that. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 18, 2020 5:01:30 GMT -5
I like this version, still think the third chorus is a bit of a drag, but there's a vulnerability to this which has an appeal on me
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Post by andymorris on Dec 18, 2020 5:14:55 GMT -5
By the way hearing it, it's crystal clear now with that version that he couldn't possibly be live on Ross, he's struggling on those high notes. But what do i know right (or left). Serious question. Let's leave behind scarf or no scarf, take one or take three, left or right for a second. He's obviously at the edge of his range in this recording (I get the feeling Liam likes being there in a weird way, like it's a high-wire act that makes the song more interesting), but if he could do it the once with a bit of polish, why do you say he couldn't possibly, barring a Christmas miracle, do it a couple more times with a bit of polish in post? There was no wear on his vocal cords in the meantime so we can assume conditions were similar. So why could he not struggle yet prevail the same way on 3 different occasions producing similar results? Not sure I'm getting that. Sorry english is not my first language so i'm not sure i understand this correctly. I'm just saying the Ross version is too perfect to be live, to me. Liam had never ever sung a live version this perfectly in sync with a studio recording. He's singing very well live now, up there with his prime, but that version... it's just too perfect. The BBC one is live, and differ vastly from the studio take, and the fallon version i only heard a few bits so i cant comment on that. I assume that's the 3 different occasions you're talking about. |
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Post by garylineker on Dec 18, 2020 5:17:43 GMT -5
Weird guitar player, completely off. But very nice version. Or maybe that's the engineer's fault hen editing this. I've mentioned before i find the way of Liam recording and sending off the vocal for everyone else to do as they please a bit soulless, but i really hate the way they edit his voice. It's like they ask him to sing in a lower key and then make it faster afterwards. Then completely take any of the rawness out of his voice. Spot on, but this technique (faster, higher edit in the studio) is used to make him sing that he couldn't sing in another key, so it's understandable. By the way hearing it, it's crystal clear now with that version that he couldn't possibly be live on Ross, he's struggling on those high notes. But what do i know right (or left). I feel like its whoever is advising him not believing in him, more than him not being able to hit them. He's managed many great live performances of Once, and i do believe the live versions of this song are "live" (albeit with post production). I love Once, its probably my favourite Liam solo song, but initially i could not get over the way it had been produced. There was always a worry for me that WMWN was rushed and there were so many examples of this throughout the album, Once being a prime example. I have gotten used to the studio version now, but the way they sped up his vocals against the (again) off pace strumming really put me off at first. And yet again, i think they could have got a way better take of his vocal. In parts of the studio version of this i actually feel like he sounds flat. They certainly should have done more to get a better finished product. The live versions are vastly superior. And ffs stop editing the real Liam out of his studio voice! |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 18, 2020 5:23:49 GMT -5
Weird guitar player, completely off. But very nice version. Or maybe that's the engineer's fault hen editing this. Spot on, but this technique (faster, higher edit in the studio) is used to make him sing that he couldn't sing in another key, so it's understandable. By the way hearing it, it's crystal clear now with that version that he couldn't possibly be live on Ross, he's struggling on those high notes. But what do i know right (or left). I feel like its whoever is advising him not believing in him, more than him not being able to hit them. He's managed many great live performances of Once, and i do believe the live versions of this song are "live" (albeit with post production). I love Once, its probably my favourite Liam solo song, but initially i could not get over the way it had been produced. There was always a worry for me that WMWN was rushed and there were so many examples of this throughout the album, Once being a prime example. I have gotten used to the studio version now, but the way they sped up his vocals against the (again) off pace strumming really put me off at first. And yet again, i think they could have got a way better take of his vocal. In parts of the studio version of this i actually feel like he sounds flat. They certainly should have done more to get a better finished product. The live versions are vastly superior. And ffs stop editing the real Liam out of his studio voice! Agree, but there could be two reasons to that : you sing differently in the studio. It's harder to hit the high notes if you dont record in a live setting, the body reacts differently, the voice too, it's a closed environnement with a different energy... Same for musicians, it's hard to replicate that energy from live performances. This explains why sometimes finished recordings are disappointing compared to live recordings or even demos. And then there is the age. His voice is lower, like everyone else. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2020 5:40:46 GMT -5
The guitar on demo version sounds beautiful. I hope Liam does more acoustic sessions, and some songs with just acoustic guitar.
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Post by theunderclass on Dec 18, 2020 5:46:44 GMT -5
I think the Down by the River is my fave of the three versions! The backing vocals give it the extra push it needs, imo. Great to get a track from that get an official release, as well.
That said the stripped back demo is also cool.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 18, 2020 5:58:25 GMT -5
Sorry english is not my first language so i'm not sure i understand this correctly. I'm just saying the Ross version is too perfect to be live, to me. Liam had never ever sung a live version this perfectly in sync with a studio recording. He's singing very well live now, up there with his prime, but that version... it's just too perfect. The BBC one is live, and differ vastly from the studio take, and the fallon version i only heard a few bits so i cant comment on that. I assume that's the 3 different occasions you're talking about. Oh, OK. Above, you said you had a new reason to think the Ross version "couldn't possibly be live" because Liam was "struggling" to hit the high notes on the demo version. I didn't understand why this newly heard demo version (same vocal) would prove that at all. I thought maybe you had a technical reason for saying it wasn't possible. But it's the same argument you've been making all along that you simply believe Ross was not live because it was too good, which is fine. Nothing changed. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 18, 2020 6:09:35 GMT -5
Sorry english is not my first language so i'm not sure i understand this correctly. I'm just saying the Ross version is too perfect to be live, to me. Liam had never ever sung a live version this perfectly in sync with a studio recording. He's singing very well live now, up there with his prime, but that version... it's just too perfect. The BBC one is live, and differ vastly from the studio take, and the fallon version i only heard a few bits so i cant comment on that. I assume that's the 3 different occasions you're talking about. Oh, OK. Above, you said you had a new reason to think the Ross version "couldn't possibly be live" because Liam was "struggling" to hit the high notes on the demo version. I didn't understand why this newly heard demo version (same vocal) would prove that at all. I thought maybe you had a technical reason for saying it wasn't possible. But it's the same argument you've been making all along that you simply believe Ross was not live because it was too good, which is fine. Nothing changed. Yeah basically. There would be little differences between all versions to prove me wrong, but this one is vastly different and shows Liam struggles to sing this song in a real setting, with no massive post editing. All rested and comfy in his studio, he cant sing it 100% perfect (even if just a demo, the Once demo had amazing vocals for instance), then live all of a sudden it's like wow, perfection, spot on, no mistake, polished, best vocals ever, whatever. I mean, come on. Anyway, moving on, we'll never know. |
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Post by jh on Dec 18, 2020 6:31:21 GMT -5
I think the Down by the River is my fave of the three versions! The backing vocals give it the extra push it needs, imo. Great to get a track from that get an official release, as well. That said the stripped back demo is also cool. River version great...all very nice. For me the demo doesn't do it at all. Then again it is a demo and we have extra production values which appeal to my ear on the full version. His voice does however, whether he is singing unaided or not, sound brilliant. |
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Post by riverman on Dec 18, 2020 7:29:43 GMT -5
Demo sounds fantastic! The guitar doesn’t sound off at all don’t know what others are hearing ??
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Post by eva on Dec 18, 2020 7:44:40 GMT -5
Demo sounds fantastic! The guitar doesn’t sound off at all don’t know what others are hearing ?? nitpicking |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 18, 2020 7:47:04 GMT -5
I think I prefer the demo more. It’s intimate. Very Beatles Rishikesh. I’ll have two big scoops of meditation please!
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 18, 2020 7:50:50 GMT -5
Demo sounds fantastic! The guitar doesn’t sound off at all don’t know what others are hearing ?? The guitar is “off” because the scarf is touching the guitar strings occasionally when he’s strumming. It happens. |
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Post by Flashbax on Dec 18, 2020 8:26:19 GMT -5
Back in the 00's there also was a scarf...
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Post by vespa on Dec 18, 2020 8:31:49 GMT -5
Demo shows liams vocal is quality , still folks commenting on his live version 😩 it’s live listen to that demo , it’s his voice clearly ,every vocal tale has effects on them compressed echo reverb but there is certainly no tuning or tidying up on that . He sings all acoustic stuff with ease , remember 2005 when he sung wonderwall everyone said his voice was back , got live and it was his worst vocal tour ever . He sings these for fun , the more impressive stuff was how he sung headshrinker with power
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Post by glider on Dec 18, 2020 9:31:03 GMT -5
Better than the final version. Still too Ashcrofty for me though.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 18, 2020 11:52:07 GMT -5
Back in the 00's there also was a scarf... |
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Post by jimbean8 on Dec 18, 2020 12:46:08 GMT -5
The Demo 👌
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