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Post by stxparkamonkey on Dec 2, 2020 16:02:21 GMT -5
Even if it was mimed who really gives a shit at this point? andymorris |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 2, 2020 16:39:59 GMT -5
Even if it was mimed who really gives a shit at this point? I am interested to know whether it was mimed or not. Not that it changes anything. But I find it a curiosity. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 2, 2020 16:55:23 GMT -5
Even if it was mimed who really gives a shit at this point? I am interested to know whether it was mimed or not. Not that it changes anything. But I find it a curiosity. No one seems to have presented anything remotely convincing that it was mimed so far. The case is about as strong as Donald’s for widespread voter fraud. All fart, no poo. |
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Post by cedomil on Dec 2, 2020 18:02:23 GMT -5
So it's basically Shockwave in the snow 😎 |
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Dec 2, 2020 18:27:55 GMT -5
So it's basically Shockwave in the snow 😎 I’ll admit i always forget that one, with it being partly colour. The link i made was with the Im Outta Time video as that was all B&W. |
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Post by mancraider on Dec 2, 2020 23:13:12 GMT -5
I prefer the radio2 version to the JR one. I like the girls doing backing vocals.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 3, 2020 0:38:50 GMT -5
Okay, after a bit deeper analysis, there are some differences. the "And" is not in both versions and i'm willing to admit that this is not, maybe, the final version of the released track. But a version reworked with added / removed bits from the studio takes. However, i had a little fun with it this morning and took some key moments, that sounded the same. I'll let you tell me which version is which. You gotta listen to it on headphones as i panned one version on the left ear, the other one on the right ear. Ross on left or right ? Studio on left or Right ? I'll post the screen grab later for the answer. Also i couldnt get the exact speed from both version so there is a little delay sometimes, but to me, that doesn't change the fact that they are both from the same recordings, session, whatever. clyp.it/g02va1qf?token=4f091bacb33f2dfe9520ca77db88d0c7Now the engineer who managed to get the same mic sound and the same performance from Liam, both on the studio version and the live from Ross, weeks apart well, he's a genius. Still doesnt take away the fact that is is a great performance done in a studio, probably in only a few takes. Cheers. I thought it was mimed when I initially heard it. What I can say is, it's not to the version that's on the single. In the very comparison you've just posted, Liam isn't perfectly in sync, and he sounds noticeably thinner/snarliier in his voice towards the end of each line. If he has sung it live, I'm sure it was a couple of takes and touched up afterwards, but even so it was a pretty phenomenal take IF it was live. I think we're all going too far down the rabbit hole here. Or maybe not far enough? Hey thanks for the detailed answer. As I said it’s not perfectly in synch, because the Ross version has been sped up so it’s not 100% match. Both versions have had a fair share of compression and other studio tweaks so it’s nearly impossible to revert it back to the original state. When you play with vocals on GarageBand or whatever you can make two same takes sound vastly different, so with pro tools... the thinner / snarl can be taken away during production / mixing / mastering. Load of thing happen during that process that can change everything. It’s noticeable when an artist release of remaster or a remix and we’re like « wow those vocals are much clearer, they sound completely different »... but it was the same vocals all along. Same goes for instruments. The ear, eye and senses can trick us in many ways we have no idea. Some people on here even think the band played live ! This is why I think it’s the same vocals but rough (or same session) on the Ross version, that gave it a more live feels. We’ll never get the definite proof though. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 3, 2020 0:39:44 GMT -5
Even if it was mimed who really gives a shit at this point? I am interested to know whether it was mimed or not. Not that it changes anything. But I find it a curiosity. Exactly, curiosity. Not trying to win anything here. What did you think about that link i posted ? |
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Post by underneaththesky on Dec 3, 2020 0:46:16 GMT -5
SNARL
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 3, 2020 0:52:18 GMT -5
We’ll never get the definite proof though. Damn it all to hell ... I thought you said two days and it would be solved! |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 3, 2020 1:00:50 GMT -5
We’ll never get the definite proof though. Damn it all to hell ... I thought you said two days and it would be solved! With an open mind, could be. But i seldom see it on this particular matter. I discuss with the few open to discussion from now on. Also it would need more time and analysis, but i wont go and make the whole track, too much work. left of right ?  |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 3, 2020 1:37:09 GMT -5
With an open mind, could be. But i seldom see it on this particular matter. I discuss with the few open to discussion from now on. Also it would need more time and analysis, but i wont go and make the whole track, too much work. left of right ? Scully: "I'm suggesting, sir, that these cases be viewed with an open mind." Assistant Director Skinner: "Maybe your mind has become too open." --The X-Files  |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 3, 2020 1:44:46 GMT -5
With an open mind, could be. But i seldom see it on this particular matter. I discuss with the few open to discussion from now on. Also it would need more time and analysis, but i wont go and make the whole track, too much work. left of right ? Scully: "I'm suggesting, sir, that these cases be viewed with an open mind." Assistant Director Skinner: "Maybe your mind has become too open." --The X-Files "Keep your mind open. The meaning of things lies in how people perceive them. The same thing could mean different meanings to the same people at different times.” ― Roy T. Bennett This goes both way. And Skinner went with Mulder's views in the end so...  Also, science is doubting, blind believing with no questionning is something else. I doubt. others dont. I'm not the only one doubting, not many, but a few on the internets doubted that performance when it was upload on youtube. This is the first time i've seen such comments after a live performance from Oasis / NG / BDI / Liam solo. Left or right ? I've not had a single answer yet. If it's that obvious, it's that obvious. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 3, 2020 2:22:44 GMT -5
"Keep your mind open. The meaning of things lies in how people perceive them. The same thing could mean different meanings to the same people at different times.” ― Roy T. Bennett This goes both way. And Skinner went with Mulder's views in the end so... Also, science is doubting, blind believing with no questionning is something else. I doubt. others dont. Left or right ? I've not had a single answer yet. If it's that obvious, it's that obvious. Oh, I'm a doubter from the way back. I doubt 24-7. And my mind is always changeable (or nearly always). But I do require either logic or barring that, at least magical experience, to change it .... So, left or right? I'll have to listen on my good headphones later. But speaking of doubts, I have little doubt you (and others on both sides of this argument) know more about recording than I do so I don't expect to win a prize. I do know quite a bit about film and TV production and I still can't be 100% sure if there's a @#$%^ scarf or not in that one shot. Still, it's a lot more fun than thinking about the next six months. Truly, the only reliable proof (outside of playing games with sound and vision) would be an actual witness. I assume (but I don't know) that there are no live television audiences right now in England, just crew and entourage, so no one was actually there. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 3, 2020 2:33:12 GMT -5
Oh, I'm a doubter from the way back. I doubt 24-7. And my mind is always changeable (or nearly always). But I do require either logic or barring that, at least magical experience, to change it .... So, left or right? I'll have to listen on my good headphones later. But speaking of doubts, I have little doubt you (and others on both sides of this argument) know more about recording than I do so I don't expect to win a prize. I do know quite a bit about film and TV production and I still can't be 100% sure if there's a @#$%^ scarf or not in that one shot. Still, it's a lot more fun than thinking about the next six months. Truly, the only reliable proof (outside of playing games with sound and vision) would be an actual witness. I assume (but I don't know) that there are no live television audiences right now in England, just crew and entourage, so no one was actually there. Absolutely. If i said earlier i can prove it 100%, i disagree with myself and i'm sorry about that. When you're under attack on this forum, it can be brutal sometimes But yeah, i've had a little time and thought this would be interesting for people, like a game. The scarf thing only deepened the plot (on a 4K imac screen, that's a scarf for me). If the image is lying, what else ? In Covid-Youtube era, tv performances are one of only performances and artist can give, so they need to be perfect. The few i've seen (the Sheryl Crow one you watched haha) is the perfect example. Or the Smasging Pumpkins one on Fallon. they are more Official video #2 than actual live performances. Some do live, but most do alternate videos with alternate in studio recordings that get the official release studio treatment. I guess that's what the Liam camp went for. It's not a bad thing, but it's not... live. |
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Post by lg on Dec 3, 2020 3:00:46 GMT -5
Premiere of the video, next Tuesday
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 3, 2020 3:09:50 GMT -5
In Covid-Youtube era, tv performances are one of only performances and artist can give, so they need to be perfect. The few i've seen (the Sheryl Crow one you watched haha) is the perfect example. Or the Smasging Pumpkins one on Fallon. they are more Official video #2 than actual live performances. Some do live, but most do alternate videos with alternate in studio recordings that get the official release studio treatment. I guess that's what the Liam camp went for. It's not a bad thing, but it's not... live. Yeah, in Los Angeles and New York, there currently can be no live audiences for talk shows, with the exception of tested cast and crew and the entourage of the guests. Some shows (famously Saturday Night Live, which has had actual live music) have kind of worked around that by hiring people to be their audience and paying them as crew but most aren't willing to risk a problem. I know the UK has had a very generous approach to film and television production and they were allowing limited, distanced audiences in the summer, but I sort of assume that this stopped with the recent lockdown. I did see a random someone on Instagram who claimed to be in the audience when Liam performed (said it was live and done in 3 takes) but could easily be truth or fantasy. Pictures or it didn't happen. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 3, 2020 3:20:09 GMT -5
I did see a random someone on Instagram who claimed to be in the audience when Liam performed (said it was live and done in 3 takes) but could easily be truth or fantasy. Pictures or it didn't happen. Yeah or "mimed live" 3 times to be in perfect synch video/audio. I guess we'll never know. |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Dec 3, 2020 3:32:37 GMT -5
still with this playback thing ... it's lasting longer than covid
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Post by rorymcbride on Dec 3, 2020 4:13:23 GMT -5
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Dec 3, 2020 4:15:03 GMT -5
Id ignored it for a few days....but this live vs mime debate is on track to become the next “Paul is dead” 😂
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 3, 2020 4:33:38 GMT -5
Id ignored it for a few days....but this live vs mime debate is on track to become the next “Paul is dead” 😂 If only you could get anything these days to be THAT controversial ... it could boost sales!  |
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Post by morning_rain on Dec 3, 2020 5:44:42 GMT -5
Sometimes I wish that I had brain damage or something so I can really enjoy songs like that :-) Man you must be so clever, please tell us more about it. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 3, 2020 5:50:17 GMT -5
Well mate, there is nothing to tell, I am clever and all that.
It's ok, it' charity single, his voice is good, everything is fine.
OSx
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Post by tiger40 on Dec 3, 2020 6:35:31 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to the video next week.
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