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Post by eva on Dec 1, 2020 10:17:00 GMT -5
What the fuck is going on in here? We got people hating that Liam has a songwriting team, we got people who don’t think he can sing anymore. We got others that think this performance was a Frankenstein. We got others commenting on neck fashion. At this point is Liam just an avatar for peoples “Id”? there's always something to bitch about behind a screen some people just can't give it a rest |
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Post by Diamond in The Dark on Dec 1, 2020 10:27:01 GMT -5
What the fuck is going on in here? We got people hating that Liam has a songwriting team, we got people who don’t think he can sing anymore. We got others that think this performance was a Frankenstein. We got others commenting on neck fashion. At this point is Liam just an avatar for peoples “Id”? these people are called "Noelians". They would like to destroy Liam because otherwise their Noel would not be able to shine. They are envious.... People of bad omen to keep away.... |
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Post by eva on Dec 1, 2020 10:34:10 GMT -5
What the fuck is going on in here? We got people hating that Liam has a songwriting team, we got people who don’t think he can sing anymore. We got others that think this performance was a Frankenstein. We got others commenting on neck fashion. At this point is Liam just an avatar for peoples “Id”? these people are called "Noelians". They would like to destroy Liam because otherwise their Noel would not be able to shine. They are envious.... People of bad omen to keep away.... come on enough with the Liam vs Noel shit |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Dec 1, 2020 10:40:09 GMT -5
Taking my bad omen to this thread here I'd like to give an update to y'all:
Still #1 on Itunes, #150 on Apple Music, #1 on Amazon, Spotify still not updated
Waiting for info on the overall chart but it's not sure we're getting anything today
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 1, 2020 11:13:25 GMT -5
It's not live4ever if it doesn't eventually devolve into petty arguing. I've certainly contributed my fair share over the years.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2020 11:34:48 GMT -5
Look, about this debate, simple: Shazam the Jonathan Ross live and the studio version when Liam is singing, both work and are recognized by the app, which doesn't work on live music.
Then try the one at the BBC radio 2 which was apparently live take, and it doesn't find the song.
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Post by vespa on Dec 1, 2020 11:54:07 GMT -5
Look, about this debate, simple: Shazam the Jonathan Ross live and the studio version when Liam is singing, both work and are recognized by the app, which doesn't work on live music. Then try the one at the BBC radio 2 which was apparently live take, and it doesn't find the song. You trying to say none of them are live?? Both are live vocals both are polished up for promo purposes and by that I don’t mean auto tune just so it sounds polished , you can tell it’s live |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 1, 2020 11:55:00 GMT -5
Look, about this debate, simple: Shazam the Jonathan Ross live and the studio version when Liam is singing, both work and are recognized by the app, which doesn't work on live music. Then try the one at the BBC radio 2 which was apparently live take, and it doesn't find the song. That might be a fair point. I can repeat those results. But couldn't it also be that the live version isn't in the Shazam database yet? But the actual song is? And it's giving the closest match. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2020 11:55:46 GMT -5
Look, about this debate, simple: Shazam the Jonathan Ross live and the studio version when Liam is singing, both work and are recognized by the app, which doesn't work on live music. Then try the one at the BBC radio 2 which was apparently live take, and it doesn't find the song. You trying to say none of them are live?? Both are live vocals both are polished up for promo purposes and by that I don’t mean auto tune just so it sounds polished , you can tell it’s live I'd say the BBC one is live, maybe with backing tracks elements from the demo / studio take, hard to say as the rip is bad. But the vocals seems to be live, they sound vastly different to the other two. Look, about this debate, simple: Shazam the Jonathan Ross live and the studio version when Liam is singing, both work and are recognized by the app, which doesn't work on live music. Then try the one at the BBC radio 2 which was apparently live take, and it doesn't find the song. That might be a fair point. I can repeat those results. But couldn't it also be that the live version isn't in the Shazam database yet? But the actual song is? And it's giving the closest match. As i said, from what i could find on the Shazam FAQ, they dont show results for live songs unreleased. Maybe that has changed, but last time i heard about them, they said they didnt give results for random live tracks. I dont know how shazam work exactly but they give results on studio / released tracks as far as i'm aware. So for a live track to work, it would need to be released officially i guess. Like live by the sea or Wembley 200. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 1, 2020 12:00:07 GMT -5
That might be a fair point. I can repeat those results. But couldn't it also be that the live version isn't in the Shazam database yet? But the actual song is? And it's giving the closest match. As i said, from what i could find on the Shazam FAQ, they dont show results for live songs. Maybe that has changed, but last time i heard about them, they said they didnt give results for live tracks. I shazam random songs from Bee Gees One Night Only and it matched it every time within 5 seconds. So it definitely shows live results, if those results were officially recorded at least. |
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Post by darmin on Dec 1, 2020 12:00:38 GMT -5
Shazam can find a song, even live performance if it was officially released (even just for YouTube)
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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2020 12:01:24 GMT -5
So it definitely shows live results, if those results were officially recorded at least. Yes, i edited my above post. Only commercially released stuff. So the Ross Live is the one released commercially, for now, they are the same. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 1, 2020 12:04:14 GMT -5
So it definitely shows live results, if those results were officially recorded at least. Yes, i edited my above post. Only commercially released stuff. So the Ross Live is the one released commercially. So I guess the question is, if a recent performance hasn't been uploaded into Shazam database and that specific performance can't be identified, does it then default to the studio recorded song? |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2020 12:06:41 GMT -5
Yes, i edited my above post. Only commercially released stuff. So the Ross Live is the one released commercially. So I guess the question is, if a recent performance hasn't been uploaded into Shazam database and that specific performance can't be identified, does it then default to the studio recorded song? I would say no, since it has not been released. As proven by the BBC live take. It's not 100% accurate, though. But i tried 5 times each, and it worked everytime : Ross = studio version =/= BBC Live |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 1, 2020 12:08:03 GMT -5
So I guess the question is, if a recent performance hasn't been uploaded into Shazam database and that specific performance can't be identified, does it then default to the studio recorded song? I would say no, since it has not been released. As proven by the BBC live take. Conclusive enough evidence for me then. I would like for it to be a true live performance, but it is what it is. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2020 12:09:34 GMT -5
I would say no, since it has not been released. As proven by the BBC live take. Conclusive enough evidence for me then. I would like for it to be a true live performance, but it is what it is. Liam has given some great live performance lately. I remember the one with Once and Champagne Supernova, was it last year ? He's definitely gotten better, i'm not denying that. Just this one particular bugged me, hard. |
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Post by darmin on Dec 1, 2020 12:12:26 GMT -5
So I guess the question is, if a recent performance hasn't been uploaded into Shazam database and that specific performance can't be identified, does it then default to the studio recorded song? I would say no, since it has not been released. As proven by the BBC live take. It's not 100% accurate, though. But i tried 5 times each, and it worked everytime : Ross = studio version =/= BBC Live It was released, on YouTube. Hello and AYDO which were played on BBC, are not released officially (for now at least), ppl just ripped it. That’s why music ripped from radio isn’t banned for uploading here on the forum |
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Post by darmin on Dec 1, 2020 12:16:56 GMT -5
I just shazamed Noel’s Wandering Star Jools Holland performance. Try it if you don’t believe me
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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2020 12:18:50 GMT -5
It was released, on YouTube. A release on youtube by an official channel is not automatically an "official" release. It's uploaded by the TV channel and is not considered a commercial song just like that. It's the property of the TV station, Shazam work with labels. Only songs released by the artist's label are "commercially" released songs. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 1, 2020 12:18:50 GMT -5
I just shazamed Noel’s Wandering Star Jools Holland performance. Try it if you don’t believe me Good find. It's also a match. And I don't think anyone would argue that performance isn't live, vocally at least. Case opened again! |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 1, 2020 12:21:59 GMT -5
I just shazamed Noel’s Wandering Star Jools Holland performance. Try it if you don’t believe me And it’s probably a reasonable bet that these aren’t the only two songs where the same thing happens. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2020 12:23:11 GMT -5
I just shazamed Noel’s Wandering Star Jools Holland performance. Try it if you don’t believe me Damn  Of course this is not 100% accurate. The only method would be to analyze the audio spectrum of each track. PS: im glad we can discuss this calmy, this is fun. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Dec 1, 2020 12:23:22 GMT -5
Unless that Noel performance isn't live either. I am now questioning it listening closely. They sound almost identical, just lacking the reverb in the live.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 1, 2020 12:26:31 GMT -5
Unless that Noel performance isn't live either. I am now questioning it listening closely. They sound almost identical, just lacking the reverb in the live. The Noel one is definitely live. Struggling vocals a bit. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 1, 2020 12:27:35 GMT -5
Did Noel or Liam ever exist in the first place? Or was it stock images for band posters and low low lighting at live gigs?
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Of course this is not 100% accurate. The only method would be to analyze the audio spectrum of each track.
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