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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 27, 2020 7:12:23 GMT -5
Yes he has been talking about doing a punk album, but he has also been talking about wanting to do a Christmas song for some time. Noel vs Liam stuff is pointless IMO. They have their own paths in music industry now. Too right. While they brought the best out in each other, their interests were always slightly different, and now that’s what we’re getting. Its like Wings vs Plastic Ono Band; former bandmates, but now they just occupy different niches in the music world. Which is fine by me. This |
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Post by darmin on Nov 27, 2020 7:14:00 GMT -5
About the topic now. I listened to the song yesterday at night and didn’t like that much, thought that it’d better if Andrew Wyatt wrote it. Maybe bc I was sleepy. Today I gave it another chance in the perfect surrounding (it’s snowing here) and actually liked it, very chill and calming. I don’t like the lyrics, I prefer more personal lyrics, but it’s not that important for me. Idk if it will hold up or not tho, let’s see
Also the lyric video is very cute
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Post by elephantstone93 on Nov 27, 2020 7:30:34 GMT -5
Yesterday I saw it as a good song but one to stick in the Christmas playlist and not really listen to outside of Christmas. But hearing it live, it’s taken it to another level. It’s a really good song, them vocals live are just incredible.
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Post by sheisloved on Nov 27, 2020 7:45:14 GMT -5
For the record, I think it's not a bad song. If we're comparing with Wandering Star then I don't think it comes near but its OK nonetheless. However, I can't help but laugh at how contradictory Liam is bringing out songs like this. He makes out he's 'Mr Rock n Roll', says he's going 'bring out a punk album' and then brings out a song like this which would clearly not be out of place if some whopper like Capaldi or Olly Murs sang it. Liam is a complete corporate man these days - whether you choose to admit it or not - and he's puppet for Warner. In terms of music, Noel is the real rebel as he answers to no one else with owning his own label and puts out whatever music he wants. There's not a chance Warner would let him put out a punk album. Wandering Star is a very poor song by Noel. I disagree... AYDO is easily better |
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Post by sheisloved on Nov 27, 2020 7:52:13 GMT -5
The acoustic live version touched my heart. So beautiful 💜
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 27, 2020 8:22:46 GMT -5
Holding on very well as #1 on Itunes for now, although obviously frontloaded, and #7 on Amazon Music
Would love for it to go top 20, needs a very strong performance on Spotify though
A shame the physical release got stacked, but I guess that'll help him keep it going for Christmas Week
EDIT: #2 on Itunes now
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Post by stillilllife on Nov 27, 2020 8:28:15 GMT -5
It's okay.
I'm underwhelmed though, no doubt.
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Post by mockba08 on Nov 27, 2020 9:15:48 GMT -5
For the record, I think it's not a bad song. If we're comparing with Wandering Star then I don't think it comes near but its OK nonetheless. However, I can't help but laugh at how contradictory Liam is bringing out songs like this. He makes out he's 'Mr Rock n Roll', says he's going 'bring out a punk album' and then brings out a song like this which would clearly not be out of place if some whopper like Capaldi or Olly Murs sang it. Liam is a complete corporate man these days - whether you choose to admit it or not - and he's puppet for Warner. In terms of music, Noel is the real rebel as he answers to no one else with owning his own label and puts out whatever music he wants. There's not a chance Warner would let him put out a punk album. Wandering Star is a very poor song by Noel. I disagree... AYDO is easily better Each to their own and all that. It's not escaping the fact that he's releasing poppy, tart music when he's meant to be Mr Rock n Roll. |
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Post by lg on Nov 27, 2020 9:21:31 GMT -5
Wandering Star is a very poor song by Noel. I disagree... AYDO is easily better Each to their own and all that. It's not escaping the fact that he's releasing poppy, tart music when he's meant to be Mr Rock n Roll. Yeah, you're right, he should release a song a la cigs and alcohol as a christmas single. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 27, 2020 9:23:00 GMT -5
I like the live version better than the studio version.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 9:32:26 GMT -5
Holding on very well as #1 on Itunes for now, although obviously frontloaded, and #7 on Amazon Music Would love for it to go top 20, needs a very strong performance on Spotify though A shame the physical release got stacked, but I guess that'll help him keep it going for Christmas Week EDIT: #2 on Itunes now #49 on Itunes France (and Wonderwall #240  ) |
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Post by modxxii on Nov 27, 2020 9:43:04 GMT -5
Wandering Star is a very poor song by Noel. I disagree... AYDO is easily better Each to their own and all that. It's not escaping the fact that he's releasing poppy, tart music when he's meant to be Mr Rock n Roll. Mr RnR who sang Whatever, Don't go away, SCYHO, Songbird, She's Electric, let there be love, Wonderwall... 👌 |
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Post by Rolo on Nov 27, 2020 9:50:29 GMT -5
Done a cover of it if it's of interest to anyone. This is fantastic! Btw Rolo, why didn’t you do a cover of Universal Gleam? Your cover of When I’m in need is awesome, I listen to it a lot 👏🏼 Thanks mate. I did do one all the way back when it first came out but it got accidently deleted I think, might have another go at it. |
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Post by Rolo on Nov 27, 2020 9:51:39 GMT -5
I just can't believe in the year 2020 Liam is pulling out live vocals like this one. Unbelievable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 9:52:25 GMT -5
Each to their own and all that. It's not escaping the fact that he's releasing poppy, tart music when he's meant to be Mr Rock n Roll. Mr RnR who sang Whatever, Don't go away, SCYHO, Songbird, She's Electric, let there be love, Wonderwall... 👌 Depends what people think as "poppy". SCYHO and Let There Be Love are a bit soppy sounding (Don't Go Away too, to a lesser extent), but I don't see what's the problem with the other tunes. As for the new tune, I agree with the forum members who heard some Sinatra influences (with a bit of solo Lennon thrown in there too). |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 27, 2020 9:55:47 GMT -5
I agree Liam's music sounds a bit too "corporate", but he's a singer, not an all around musician and songwriter, I think people follow him for what his vocals add to the good pop songs he sings
Could Robbie Williams sing this stuff? Probably, but he wouldn't do it with the same swag and haunting and distinct (while not completely conventional) vocals
And we (Liam included, sometimes) should stop pretending Oasis were Black Sabbath or something
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Post by andymorris on Nov 27, 2020 9:55:55 GMT -5
Liam is a complete corporate man these days - whether you choose to admit it or not - and he's puppet for Warner. 100% agree. He wanted to be back in the light, he's done it. But at the cost of being told what to do. The music still is enjoyable, but no one can honestly deny that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 10:02:55 GMT -5
I agree Liam's music sounds a bit too "corporate", but he's a singer, not an all around musician and songwriter, I think people follow him for what his vocals add to the good pop songs he sings And we (Liam included, sometimes) should stop pretending Oasis were Black Sabbath or something Again, depends what people describe as "poppy". It's a term that is used to describe bands like The Zombies but also bands like Take That. Both bands sound nothing alike. A band like Take That was "corporate", but Oasis NEVER were, especially in the first three albums. |
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Post by modxxii on Nov 27, 2020 10:07:10 GMT -5
Mr RnR who sang Whatever, Don't go away, SCYHO, Songbird, She's Electric, let there be love, Wonderwall... 👌 Depends what people think as "poppy". SCYHO and Let There Be Love are a bit soppy sounding (Don't Go Away too, to a lesser extent), but I don't see what's the problem with the other tunes. As for the new tune, I agree with the forum members who heard some Sinatra influences (with a bit of solo Lennon thrown in there too). There is not problem but those tune are not rock. :-) Anddddd they always looked to charts position, radio airplay and fame. It's their history. Only in the mind of (some) fans the were and indipendent (ok at the beginning) and "free" band. Liam suffered the poor exposition and small venues with BE too. He wants to be pop-pular ad Oasis always wanted it as well. Maybe Noel - now - is less interested to public acclaim ... dunno. Anyway, I like the Liam writers, they are talented and Liam is mainly a singer. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 10:12:34 GMT -5
Depends what people think as "poppy". SCYHO and Let There Be Love are a bit soppy sounding (Don't Go Away too, to a lesser extent), but I don't see what's the problem with the other tunes. As for the new tune, I agree with the forum members who heard some Sinatra influences (with a bit of solo Lennon thrown in there too). There is not problem but those tune are not rock. :-) Anddddd they always looked to charts position, radio airplay and fame. It's their history. Only in the mind of (some) fans the were and indipendent (ok at the beginning) and "free" band. Liam suffered the poor exposition and small venues with BE too. He wants to be pop-pular ad Oasis always wanted it as well. Maybe Noel - now - is less interested to public acclaim ... dunno. Anyway, I like the Liam writers, they are talented and Liam is mainly a singer. Noel was the main man who decided the Oasis sound and aesthetic. Nobody heard a single tune of WTSMG before the actual recording, so yeah, they were mosty free. I think nobody from Sony went to Rockfield during the recording to "Wonderwall" and said to Liam: "oh it's a bit too raspy here". And the difference between rock and pop is not important. Nickelback was considered "rock" and Elliott Smith "pop", guess who's the most respected artist. I think the difference should be more between what's corporate and what is not. |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 27, 2020 10:19:49 GMT -5
I agree Liam's music sounds a bit too "corporate", but he's a singer, not an all around musician and songwriter, I think people follow him for what his vocals add to the good pop songs he sings And we (Liam included, sometimes) should stop pretending Oasis were Black Sabbath or something Again, depends what people describe as "poppy". It's a term that is used to describe bands like The Zombies but also bands like Take That. Both bands sound nothing alike. A band like Take That was "corporate", but Oasis NEVER were, especially in the first three albums. Oasis were pop rock, I see Noel mostly as a pop songwriter What I meant with "corporate" there is that what Liam's doing right now is no different than many Major artists, some of the songs are not even written with him in mind Do I have a problem with it? Not much, as long as the songs are good Liam's a singer after all, and a truly special one Would I love for him to take on a more adventurous project? Of course, but that's a completely different topic |
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Post by russiangenius on Nov 27, 2020 10:23:19 GMT -5
Live is much better than studio 'cause it doesn't too poppy for me. I like lyrics, I like voice but studio melody is so forgettable. And soft. And... I want to sing 'Happy New Year!' by ABBA with this melody. But what could you expect from Christmas-like songs? Maybe I expected too much from this. But All You're Dreaming Of with more rock melody could be much better. The intro is ok but after that... Since Meadow it's the first song I don't really want to give a second try as it's... It's really good for John Lewis adverts but it's very specific song. I highly doubt I'm gonna return to this in July or September. This thing is really important for me as I'm listening to Gallaghers 50% of my free time for music.
And personally I think Wandering Star is better (even if it's Noel typical song in his worst). It has more emotion with its melody. All You're Dreaming Of lacks something. Something complete.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 10:25:02 GMT -5
Again, depends what people describe as "poppy". It's a term that is used to describe bands like The Zombies but also bands like Take That. Both bands sound nothing alike. A band like Take That was "corporate", but Oasis NEVER were, especially in the first three albums. Oasis were pop rock, I see Noel mostly as a pop songwriter What I meant with "corporate" there is that what Liam's doing right now is no different than many Major artists, some of the songs are not even written with him in mind Do I have a problem with it? Not much, as long as the songs are good Liam's a singer after all, and a truly special one Would I love for him to take on a more adventurous project? Of course, but that's a completely different topic Oh but I agree Noel was a pop songwriter, and there's nothing wrong with pop. I would describe my favourite recent band, Alvvays, as pop. Same for Belle and Sebastian, Teenage Fanclub, etc. But there's a difference between pop and corporate, that's what I'm saying |
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Post by defmaybe00 on Nov 27, 2020 10:32:22 GMT -5
Oasis were pop rock, I see Noel mostly as a pop songwriter What I meant with "corporate" there is that what Liam's doing right now is no different than many Major artists, some of the songs are not even written with him in mind Do I have a problem with it? Not much, as long as the songs are good Liam's a singer after all, and a truly special one Would I love for him to take on a more adventurous project? Of course, but that's a completely different topic Oh but I agree Noel was a pop songwriter, and there's nothing wrong with pop. I would describe my favourite recent band, Alvvays, as pop. Same for Belle and Sebastian, Teenage Fanclub, etc. But there's a difference between pop and corporate, that's what I'm saying Yeah we're saying the same thing mate  I put corporate between "" because I still don't think what Liam's doing is fully impersonal and manufactured, but being under a Major and mostly "just" a singer obviously makes him have a lesser imput on the music and sound, and the type of songs he's singing could easily be sung by another Major singer What's still distinctive about him is his voice and his personality, that's why we're still on here checking his music out |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 10:38:36 GMT -5
Oh but I agree Noel was a pop songwriter, and there's nothing wrong with pop. I would describe my favourite recent band, Alvvays, as pop. Same for Belle and Sebastian, Teenage Fanclub, etc. But there's a difference between pop and corporate, that's what I'm saying Yeah we're saying the same thing mate I put corporate between "" because I still don't think what Liam's doing is fully impersonal and manufactured, but being under a Major and mostly "just" a singer obviously makes him have a lesser imput on the music and sound, and the type of songs he's singing could easily be sung by another Major singer What's still distinctive about him is his voice and his personality, that's why we're still on here checking his music out Oh yeah, we totally agree actually |
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