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Post by garylineker on Jan 19, 2021 10:50:14 GMT -5
I think Noel did actually give permission for the songs to be used on Liams Acoustic EP Maybe he gave his blessing (I have no idea), but there is no permission needed so what would that even mean? And how do you know Noel had any involvement at all? This comes up repeatedly mostly because of the press stories that Noel prevented Liam from using Oasis songs in As It Was. The filmmakers did indeed need Noel's permission for using the songs in a film because those rights require the express permission of the writer/owner. Whether Noel would really deny Liam the right to use the songs on a DVD of the Thames show at this point ... who knows? But Liam needs no permission at all for a recording and never has. That's just how it works. (The only odd part about it is the brother business and that Liam is "covering" songs that many see as partly belonging to him -- an unusual situation but from an entertainment law POV it's no different than say Weezer doing "Morning Glory" or Ryan Adams doing "Wonderwall." They didn't have to ask Noel. But if you want to put an Oasis song in your movie, you do have to ask him. Am i right in saying when you change any elements of the song you need permission? Stand By Me for instance doesnt have the last verse I think. It's definetely shortened anyway. I think I remember a more well in formed poster on here saying Noel did need to approve use of the Oasis songs on some platforms and he did so because it boosts the Oasis sales a lot. Where as As It Was was seen by Noel as a PR exercise to further boost Liam's popularity whilst vilifying Noel. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 19, 2021 13:43:35 GMT -5
I think that we would all love a DVD of the River Thames gig but unfortunately it won't happen unless Noel does some big massive u-turn which I know would never happen.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 19, 2021 18:05:40 GMT -5
Am i right in saying when you change any elements of the song you need permission? Stand By Me for instance doesnt have the last verse I think. It's definetely shortened anyway. I think I remember a more well in formed poster on here saying Noel did need to approve use of the Oasis songs on some platforms and he did so because it boosts the Oasis sales a lot. Where as As It Was was seen by Noel as a PR exercise to further boost Liam's popularity whilst vilifying Noel. No you don't need permission under compulsory licensing. Cover versions routinely change every conceivable element (as I'm sure you are aware if you think about it). There are no copyright issues for changing a verse once you have a license. You can do what you want so long as the writer is properly credited and paid. I don't know who this mystery poster is but I was on the board during the release of the acoustic EP and never saw anyone who is "well informed" (Who would that be anyway? Who on here, at least not anonymously, has access to Noel?) say that Noel needed to "approve" Oasis songs for an album. It doesn't work that way. There are legal rights for using another person's work and they work a certain way across the board. It doesn't work differently for Noel and Liam. Not trying to be a pedant, but use google or call a lawyer if you don't believe this. These are things that can be known. What's in Noel's head you can speculate away on! |
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Jan 20, 2021 12:24:09 GMT -5
Noel does not need to give permission for audio releases. Home video releases (DVD's, As It Was, etc) do need him to grant permission and he has (rightfully) denied them.
So yes us LG fans lose out but it is what it is.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jan 20, 2021 12:30:23 GMT -5
But are we sure Noel would deny it for a gig (I honestly have no idea if it happened for MTV Unplugged, I was a bit out of the loop at the time)?
I mean, As It Was made sense because he thought it would be a PR thing slagging him off, but this is a bit different ain't it?
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 20, 2021 16:52:06 GMT -5
But are we sure Noel would deny it for a gig (I honestly have no idea if it happened for MTV Unplugged, I was a bit out of the loop at the time)? I mean, As It Was made sense because he thought it would be a PR thing slagging him off, but this is a bit different ain't it? Don't see how anybody knows the answer until such time as he is asked. BTW, since MTV Unplugged did not have a DVD/Blu-Ray release it likely never came up. A one-time airing of a live gig doesn't require permission -- it's when you have visual media that can be purchased over and over, like a movie or DVD, that a synchronization license is needed. A sync license requires the express permission of the owner. (YouTube is still the Wild West of copyright law, however, so you'll see lots of violations there.) This is a bit technical but for anyone who is interested: In order to obtain the right from a music publisher to synchronize their song with a visual image, the production company will seek what is called a “synchronization license” (“sync license” for short) from each publisher. When using the sound recording owned by a record company, the production company will seek a “master use license” which allows the producer the right to use the particular sound recording in the film. In addition, if the production company plans to release the television show or film on DVD or for digital download, then the production company must also obtain a “videogram license” from the music publisher(s) which allows the production company to make and sell video copies of the television show or film that contains the publisher’s song. In addition, if applicable, performance fees may have to be paid by broadcasting companies to the music publishing company for the public performance of the song. These fees are collected and distributed by one of three performing rights organizations: ASCAP, BMI, or SESAC. Note that a master license differs from a sync license in that a sync license gives the license holder the right to re-record a song for use in a media project, while a master license gives the license holder the right to use a pre-existing recording of that song in a media project, in which case a sync license would also need to be obtained.
And also: Note that synchronization licensing can be challenging because, by law, synchronization rights holders maintain total control of their works when it comes to video. This means they can set any fee, take all the time they need, and reject the license outright. |
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Post by theunderclass on Jan 22, 2021 16:15:30 GMT -5
Noel does not need to give permission for audio releases. Home video releases (DVD's, As It Was, etc) do need him to grant permission and he has (rightfully) denied them. So yes us LG fans lose out but it is what it is. Why is it “rightful” that he’s denied permission? We could have MTV Unplugged and Down by the River blu rays, and Noel would get the songwriting royalties, but he’s just being spiteful instead. |
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Post by eva on Jan 25, 2021 11:06:08 GMT -5
To my absolute surprise, I received the souvenir ticket in the mail today! I thought it was sent back or lost at customs  |
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Post by stxparkamonkey on Jan 25, 2021 12:34:49 GMT -5
Noel does not need to give permission for audio releases. Home video releases (DVD's, As It Was, etc) do need him to grant permission and he has (rightfully) denied them. So yes us LG fans lose out but it is what it is. Why is it “rightful” that he’s denied permission? We could have MTV Unplugged and Down by the River blu rays, and Noel would get the songwriting royalties, but he’s just being spiteful instead. Because even though Liam is my favorite Gallagher he has been an unconscionable twat towards Noel and his family. Some things are more important than money, Liam is lucky he hasn't gotten his lights knocked out. |
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Post by darmin on Jan 25, 2021 13:09:31 GMT -5
Why is it “rightful” that he’s denied permission? We could have MTV Unplugged and Down by the River blu rays, and Noel would get the songwriting royalties, but he’s just being spiteful instead. Because even though Liam is my favorite Gallagher he has been an unconscionable twat towards Noel and his family. Some things are more important than money, Liam is lucky he hasn't gotten his lights knocked out. I know that itve been said many times but one more time. Noel also has been enormous twat towards Liam too. Sara didn’t keep silence and talked shit about Liam too. Noel likes to play a victim and say that Liam likes to attack his fam but I remember how Noel badmouthed his nephews during some interview. If Liam talked badly about say Andy, I’d say he should stop immediately. Noel and Sara? Fair game. Only Noel has means to be petty and that’s bad I guess but oh well |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 25, 2021 14:12:19 GMT -5
We all know that both Noel and Liam are as bad as each other and sadly they won't change either judging by some of their interviews etc these days. It's a shame because they should just put their differences aside and sort things out between them.
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Post by powerage09 on Jan 25, 2021 18:05:53 GMT -5
The Gallagher brothers sell newspapers and generate clicks on web-sites, even after 25 years and over 10 years since they were last seen in public together.
Not even a reunion will stop it, it's part of the brand. There is genuine animosity there but that's not to say it doesn't help grease the wheels of their respective machines.
Liam released a film with no Oasis music in it that was in parts just an excuse to whinge about Noel picking up his guitar and fucking off down the road.
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Post by alwaysnow on Jan 25, 2021 18:33:17 GMT -5
To my absolute surprise, I received the souvenir ticket in the mail today! I thought it was sent back or lost at customs I'm glad for you but it also gives me hope! |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 26, 2021 14:12:54 GMT -5
The Gallagher brothers sell newspapers and generate clicks on web-sites, even after 25 years and over 10 years since they were last seen in public together. Not even a reunion will stop it, it's part of the brand. There is genuine animosity there but that's not to say it doesn't help grease the wheels of their respective machines. Liam released a film with no Oasis music in it that was in parts just an excuse to whinge about Noel picking up his guitar and fucking off down the road. I agree with you that the Gallagher brothers sell newspapers but papers like The Scum and The Daily Star for that matter aren't even worth reading with all the bullshit they write about the brothers. It's pathetic. |
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Post by powerage09 on Jan 26, 2021 14:36:07 GMT -5
The Gallagher brothers sell newspapers and generate clicks on web-sites, even after 25 years and over 10 years since they were last seen in public together. Not even a reunion will stop it, it's part of the brand. There is genuine animosity there but that's not to say it doesn't help grease the wheels of their respective machines. Liam released a film with no Oasis music in it that was in parts just an excuse to whinge about Noel picking up his guitar and fucking off down the road. I agree with you that the Gallagher brothers sell newspapers but papers like The Scum and The Daily Star for that matter aren't even worth reading with all the bullshit they write. It's pathetic. Fixed it for you Don't buy the Sun, absolute vaginas. |
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Post by tiger40 on Jan 26, 2021 17:13:06 GMT -5
I agree with you that the Gallagher brothers sell newspapers but papers like The Scum and The Daily Star for that matter aren't even worth reading with all the bullshit they write. It's pathetic. Fixed it for you Don't buy the Sun, absolute vaginas. Oh I don't and I don't buy The Star either. |
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Post by garylineker on Jan 27, 2021 0:19:56 GMT -5
Why is it “rightful” that he’s denied permission? We could have MTV Unplugged and Down by the River blu rays, and Noel would get the songwriting royalties, but he’s just being spiteful instead. Because even though Liam is my favorite Gallagher he has been an unconscionable twat towards Noel and his family. Some things are more important than money, Liam is lucky he hasn't gotten his lights knocked out. Speaks volumes about Noel that you can think all of that about Liam and he still be your favourite Gallagher... |
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Post by richards on Feb 7, 2021 2:08:41 GMT -5
Bonehead on guitar, obviously
Liam. of course
Who else? Great band.
Will this be officially released ever? I would buy a DVD for sure.
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 7, 2021 5:53:14 GMT -5
Bonehead on guitar, obviously Liam. of course Who else? Great band. Will this be officially released ever? I would buy a DVD for sure. Merged your thread with this one. Cheers. Except Bonehead it was the same band members as Liam always has. Additional were 3 backing chorus ladies and Gene on the drumms for "The River". |
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Post by richards on Feb 8, 2021 0:23:17 GMT -5
mimmihopps thank you for merging.
Sorry to say I still don't know Liam's band members. They are very very good however. I really love this concert. And I have seen Stevie Ray Vaughan numerous times. Granted I only had seen the Thames concert on youtube before it was yanked. Beautiful photography, plus like when I saw SRV on the pier in NYC something about playing near or on the water enhances the sound.
I would love to buy a dvd of this as the yt video I have is not the greatest quality audio or video. I guess I will have to live with it.
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Post by mimmihopps on Feb 8, 2021 4:35:00 GMT -5
mimmihopps thank you for merging. Sorry to say I still don't know Liam's band members. They are very very good however. I really love this concert. And I have seen Stevie Ray Vaughan numerous times. Granted I only had seen the Thames concert on youtube before it was yanked. Beautiful photography, plus like when I saw SRV on the pier in NYC something about playing near or on the water enhances the sound. I would love to buy a dvd of this as the yt video I have is not the greatest quality audio or video. I guess I will have to live with it. For Liam's management releasing this one officially is something they can't ignore as they're too greedy not to do it. |
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Post by tiger40 on Feb 8, 2021 5:38:26 GMT -5
I agree with you there and if they don't release it then it will be not only a shame but also a missed opportunity.
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Post by powerage09 on Feb 8, 2021 16:05:19 GMT -5
2LP Set and CD-R being released on Casino Records in March. Limited 300 copies. First 150 - Orange, second 150 on blue.
Bootleg for those interested. Not on Discogs yet.
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Post by daviesh on Feb 8, 2021 16:41:27 GMT -5
Awesome news, can you share a link please ?
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Post by powerage09 on Feb 8, 2021 18:52:05 GMT -5
Awesome news, can you share a link please ? Word of mouth from someone I know, best I can do am afraid. Suspect it'll be on discogs soon enough along with the usual places. Update, it's 700 copies, 350 of each colour. |
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