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Post by andymorris on Feb 3, 2022 4:37:48 GMT -5
Well I did a little more reading and her contribution drastically diminished after she turned from country artist to pop artist. 100% written song by her are but a few since then. amp.popbuzz.com/music/artists/taylor-swift/features/own-songs-solo-writing-credits/That’s not saying she doesn’t contribute but it’s another clue that the main bulk of hits is probably found somewhere else. This debate is really where you draw the line of how a song should be written. From the heart or from the brain. Do you sit by a table and imagine the concept of an album with exec or is it only the artist that had the final decision and concept in their head. Maybe Damon was trying to say she doesn’t write much… anymore since she changed from country to pop. Which would make more sense. The idea that you have any insight into how Taylor Swift's songs are written based on this article -- let alone if they come from the head or the heart -- is beyond ridiculous. You don't. Not even a little. The only people qualified to weigh in on how she writes songs are the people who have worked with her. What happened here was quite simple -- Damon publicly expressed an opinion, perhaps poorly, that was slanderous. He was asked to apologize and clarify his remarks and he did. Which makes him a decent person. End of story. Can we take people who work for this industry as 100% honest when we know on the side that songwriters complain about their work being stolen if they don't comply with the rules of this industry ? We have clues as to why maybe, just maybe , Taylor Swift and other artists in her category (Liam included) don't contribute as much as they say. It's an industry, and this industry has a clear way of working to make middle of range artists become worldwide phenomenons. It happened in the 60s, it happened with Jackson, Madonna and other countless artists since then, who did contribute to the songs being written, but also got major help from outside big producer / songwriters to write songs they couldn't possibly write to reach a wider audience. That doesn't mean they don't write anything. Just that is part of a embellished storytelling which is a bit of a lie. Jackson wrote songs only with his mouth. But did he write as much as was credited on Bad ? I'm a massive fan and have my doubts. That's not a bad thing, it's just the way things are. When you compile all the clues, there are too many. but then again, yeah, i could be completely wrong. If we had to listen to someone, it would be the likes of Damon and Noel, who have insiders infos on those artists, because they are in the business. If they express doubts, maybe that's because there are some doubts. But maybe Damon should have said "Taylor Swift doesn't write her big hits alone anymore". That would be close to the truth i suppose. I'm not into her music, but she is talented, she can write good songs. I think no one is denying that. It's just the process that is criticized here because they are creating a product more than a compilation of personal songs. Instead of letting the song come to her, she know looks for it with a goal in mind. And it changes everything. It likes going to the supermarket instead of being the farmer. The likes of Damon and Noel want their work to be their work, not just collabs. Although for Noel lately, it's less true with WBTM. That's why he said co-writing is way different. Because the final product is not really your own baby, it co-belongs to someone else, and you don't know how much of it is yours. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Feb 3, 2022 5:14:05 GMT -5
I'm not into her music, but she is talented, she can write good songs. I think no one is denying that. It's just the process that is criticized here because they are creating a product more than a compilation of personal songs. Instead of letting the song come to her, she know looks for it with a goal in mind. And it changes everything. It likes going to the supermarket instead of being the farmer. We’re all just bored here waiting for Godot so OK  The thing is that the way Damon’s original quote read, it indeed sounded like he was denying that Taylor can write songs. That’s why it was a big deal. And he cleared it up, so  Got him more publicity than anything he’s done in 20 years. Agreed that packaged artists have always existed and that it’s pretty much all that gets into the broader market now, which I don’t like either, but the counterculture will one day be reborn (though maybe not in music – maybe in gaming or something else). For now, it is what is but it’s part of why I value Liam. He keeps some of that spirit alive – even if by just being a more-authentic-than-most conduit for it as a singer. I have a big thing for songwriter-driven bands myself but the place where we don’t agree is that there’s a big lie. You’ve never been able to come up with an example of Liam lying about what he wrote and what he didn’t. He’s up-front about working with writers and why so there's just no ruse about it. Taylor Swift is a different case because she truly thinks of herself as a writer as an identity. Liam never has … even perhaps when he should have! |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 4, 2022 7:59:31 GMT -5
I'm not into her music, but she is talented, she can write good songs. I think no one is denying that. It's just the process that is criticized here because they are creating a product more than a compilation of personal songs. Instead of letting the song come to her, she know looks for it with a goal in mind. And it changes everything. It likes going to the supermarket instead of being the farmer. We’re all just bored here waiting for Godot so OK The thing is that the way Damon’s original quote read, it indeed sounded like he was denying that Taylor can write songs. That’s why it was a big deal. And he cleared it up, so Got him more publicity than anything he’s done in 20 years. Agreed that packaged artists have always existed and that it’s pretty much all that gets into the broader market now, which I don’t like either, but the counterculture will one day be reborn (though maybe not in music – maybe in gaming or something else). For now, it is what is but it’s part of why I value Liam. He keeps some of that spirit alive – even if by just being a more-authentic-than-most conduit for it as a singer. I have a big thing for songwriter-driven bands myself but the place where we don’t agree is that there’s a big lie. You’ve never been able to come up with an example of Liam lying about what he wrote and what he didn’t. He’s up-front about working with writers and why so there's just no ruse about it. Taylor Swift is a different case because she truly thinks of herself as a writer as an identity. Liam never has … even perhaps when he should have! Thing is with those proof you all want, we know about these things many many years later. We just discovered how most of let it be was written for instance and that was a surprise ! Harrison and many assistants deserved co credits but that was another time. So we’ll have to wait til we are 70 to know if I was right or not. Mouth open when someone is down or dead, not up. Liam falls in the category of very doubtful for LP #2. Taylor swift same eve since she changed her musical style. Can you trust the music industry ? I have my doubts but yeah I have no proof. Can you trust noel and Liam Gallagher ? Both lied in a very big way during their career, so why not lie about who writes what ? As it was documentary is a big pile of lies about Noel it’s not even funny. For instance. They lied about having a sore throat in 96 for mtv unplugged. What else ? I had respect for Liam with his first record. LP2 is too suspicious to be true. Who knows ! Working in the media for close to ten years made me suspicious because the truth is never really the truth. If people knew… not everything is lies though may I add to end this debate in a civilized matter I’ll go back and be hung in the Liam section now 🤣 |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Feb 4, 2022 16:10:57 GMT -5
Can you trust noel and Liam Gallagher ? Both lied in a very big way during their career, so why not lie about who writes what ? As it was documentary is a big pile of lies about Noel it’s not even funny. For instance. They lied about having a sore throat in 96 for mtv unplugged. What else ? I had respect for Liam with his first record. LP2 is too suspicious to be true. Who knows ! Working in the media for close to ten years made me suspicious because the truth is never really the truth. If people knew… not everything is lies though may I add to end this debate in a civilized matter I’ll go back and be hung in the Liam section now 🤣 Can't really continue to discuss this seriously anyway because I think you may have never read an interview with Liam Gallagher about his albums. He does not claim to have written his second album. He openly says he relied more on writers than the first. So if he's lying ... then he did in fact write it in its entirety and you are secretly happy.  |
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Post by yogurt on Feb 12, 2022 9:10:30 GMT -5
Not really feeling this album
Shame because I think he’s probably the best songwriter of his time but this is a bit of an arid listen
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Post by andymorris on Feb 10, 2023 3:00:27 GMT -5
If you like Albarn's solo album, Coxon just released The Waeve record, which is a bit like Nearer the Fountain beefed up.
It also had some early Blur sounds, like the sax.
It's a great record, but Coxon never made a bad album !
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 10, 2023 7:46:21 GMT -5
If you like Albarn's solo album, Coxon just released The Waeve record, which is a bit like Nearer the Fountain beefed up. It also had some early Blur sounds, like the sax. It's a great record, but Coxon never made a bad album ! Yoga Town is a fantastic track from his Superstate project. |
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Post by andymorris on Feb 10, 2023 8:20:13 GMT -5
If you like Albarn's solo album, Coxon just released The Waeve record, which is a bit like Nearer the Fountain beefed up. It also had some early Blur sounds, like the sax. It's a great record, but Coxon never made a bad album ! Yoga Town is a fantastic track from his Superstate project. Yeah it's also a great record. Coxon made soundtracks for Netflix shows the past years as well, very prolific. + on his solo albums you can clearly hear the big influence he had on Blur sound. The new one is no exception. Totally underrated. |
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Got him more publicity than anything he’s done in 20 years. 
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