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Post by carlober on Jan 25, 2022 14:26:21 GMT -5
Everything he's done since 2010 is subpar.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 25, 2022 17:14:58 GMT -5
I’ll never forget that shit storm of a summer in 2008 when Noel made Jay-Z comments about Glasto. So much negative press all over America media. Made me sick. This too shall pass. News cycles are much shorter now than in 2008 (and twitter wars die fast). Plus his rapid apology effectively put a capper on it. If anything as The Escapist said, it’s probably the most relevant he’s been in years. Most people I know were like “Damon who?” so I bet his Wikipedia got some traffic no-one saw coming.
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Post by matt on Jan 25, 2022 18:48:42 GMT -5
I’ll never forget that shit storm of a summer in 2008 when Noel made Jay-Z comments about Glasto. So much negative press all over America media. Made me sick. To be fair, Noel brought in on himself. That luddite backwards attitude is what gave us all the mediocre Oasis albums in the 2000s.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 25, 2022 23:19:49 GMT -5
I’ll never forget that shit storm of a summer in 2008 when Noel made Jay-Z comments about Glasto. So much negative press all over America media. Made me sick. This too shall pass. News cycles are much shorter now than in 2008 (and twitter wars die fast). Plus his rapid apology effectively put a capper on it. If anything as The Escapist said, it’s probably the most relevant he’s been in years. Most people I know were like “Damon who?” so I bet his Wikipedia got some traffic no-one saw coming. It’s weird she even bothered to call it out. Solo Damon doesn’t have much impact in America. The BritPop heads who read it aren’t gonna impact Taylor and her war machine of hit albums. She’s good no matter who or what goes at her. Kanye couldn’t stop her. No one will.
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Post by shannee on Jan 25, 2022 23:42:58 GMT -5
Guessing 90% of Americans bent out of shape about this barely know who Damon is. Bizarre to me that Taylor would care about his off hand comment.
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Post by Jessica on Jan 26, 2022 1:27:18 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 26, 2022 2:33:33 GMT -5
It only became a HUGE global story when she decided to tweet it out to her 90 million followers. If she didn't do that, most of the world never hears of the comment he made in a larger Q&A piece. We've all seen Noel destroy various artists and band over the years, sometimes in horrific fashion. This easily could have been Noel. We saw it 12 years ago with the Jay Z incident. I dont wanna experience that again. Taylor has one of the most fever pitch and loyal fan bases around. She knows that directing any anger at someone will make a majority of them pick up the pitchfork and attack. We've seen it with her wars with Scooter Braun, Kanye, Gyllenhaal, Spotify and now Albarn to name but a few.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 26, 2022 2:40:39 GMT -5
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Post by glider on Jan 26, 2022 2:57:25 GMT -5
I’ll never forget that shit storm of a summer in 2008 when Noel made Jay-Z comments about Glasto. So much negative press all over America media. Made me sick. This reminded me of when Ashcroft gave Jay-Z a shout-out the following night during the Verve's performance, and seemed more progressive and forward thinking culturally than Noel back then. Crazy how times have changed.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 26, 2022 3:00:58 GMT -5
This too shall pass. News cycles are much shorter now than in 2008 (and twitter wars die fast). Plus his rapid apology effectively put a capper on it. If anything as The Escapist said, it’s probably the most relevant he’s been in years. Most people I know were like “Damon who?” so I bet his Wikipedia got some traffic no-one saw coming. It’s weird she even bothered to call it out. Solo Damon doesn’t have much impact in America. The BritPop heads who read it aren’t gonna impact Taylor and her war machine of hit albums. She’s good no matter who or what goes at her. Kanye couldn’t stop her. No one will. I kinda get it though from Tay-Tay. It’s honestly the first time I’ve ever in my life related to her – but there’s something that really sucks about having someone off-handedly say you can’t do the one thing that you’re most proud of, especially if it’s someone who you admire (which I take her at her word that she does although like most Americans her age she quite possibly never heard of him before he started slagging her.) I do find the twitter army creepy, and a bit dangerous when unleashed, but that’s the culture now. If Damon were Liam they could go Army to Army. And to be fair, Damon made the comments publicly and she had an absolute right to respond publicly.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jan 26, 2022 3:05:47 GMT -5
All Noel ever said is that he's not a fan and doesn't get it. Again, that is just completely different than saying someone is lying about being a songwriter. Apparently, that's Damon's long-held opinion but that makes it even more his problem that he's being asked to defend it! If you're gonna accuse someone that powerful you better come armed.
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Post by glider on Jan 26, 2022 3:08:35 GMT -5
Everything he's done since 2010 is subpar. Humanz was a massive failure as far as I'm concerned. Killed all of the goodwill and legacy he gained from that purple patch run in the 00s.
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Post by morning_rain on Jan 26, 2022 4:54:13 GMT -5
Everything he's done since 2010 is subpar. Everyday Robots is great from start to finish, give it a chance. Humanz was a huge let down for me, but I think The Now Now was a return to form.
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Post by matt on Jan 26, 2022 15:12:49 GMT -5
Taylor Swift should respond by saying something like 'mumbling and meandering through songs is not fucking high art' like Albarn seems to think these days. And while she's at it, reply to Noel's comments in the past by tweeting Lock All The Doors 'sucks balls'.
Double down, take no prisoners.
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Post by matt on Jan 26, 2022 15:20:00 GMT -5
From the stuff I've heard, her folky stuff is really good. Anything stripped back, I'll generally lap up. The pop stuff... not a fan myself although appreciate the success.
For sure, she's definitely more convincingly versatile than Albarn these days, who while versatile, isn't convincing in the slightest anymore.
Albarn's solo record ethos these days mistakes subtlety for dullness. Meanwhile, his Gorillaz formula seems to be 'record a bunch of sonic tricks' and 'get guest collaborator to sing over this beat', all the while completely forgetting to write the damn tune.
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Post by mancraider on Jan 26, 2022 17:33:41 GMT -5
Ha, what's the saying, no such thing as bad publicity? Just heard Blur on radio for first time in 25 years.
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Post by matt on Jan 26, 2022 18:10:29 GMT -5
Ha, what's the saying, no such thing as bad publicity? Just heard Blur on radio for first time in 25 years. Albarn dives into a deep depression after realising that after 30 years on, he's wasted so much publicity and radio play potential by not acting more like the Gallaghers and slagging other acts off.
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Post by mkoasis on Jan 30, 2022 2:43:05 GMT -5
royal morning blue live on Jools Holland. and no distance left to run I’m loving these. The solo piano version of No Distance Left To Run hits hard. As for the dreary sound of the new record, we’ll that’s right up my alley these days so I’ll have to check it out.
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Post by darmin on Jan 31, 2022 19:59:57 GMT -5
That was fun little scandal! Considering his Taylor/Billie comparison Damon like all other music snobs thinks that sad/stripped down/moody music=masterpiece, upbeat fun poppy music =trash. Kinda disappointed in him, I thought his judgment was better than that. Like lbr Taylor and Billlie are both equally manufactured pop stars cmon. And that’s not bad thing, all big stars are manufactured to a certain extent
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Post by andymorris on Feb 2, 2022 7:43:00 GMT -5
Well I did a little more reading and her contribution drastically diminished after she turned from country artist to pop artist. 100% written song by her are but a few since then. amp.popbuzz.com/music/artists/taylor-swift/features/own-songs-solo-writing-credits/That’s not saying she doesn’t contribute but it’s another clue that the main bulk of hits is probably found somewhere else. This debate is really where you draw the line of how a song should be written. From the heart or from the brain. Do you sit by a table and imagine the concept of an album with exec or is it only the artist that had the final decision and concept in their head. Maybe Damon was trying to say she doesn’t write much… anymore since she changed from country to pop. Which would make more sense.
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Post by Manualex on Feb 2, 2022 12:31:16 GMT -5
Well I did a little more reading and her contribution drastically diminished after she turned from country artist to pop artist. 100% written song by her are but a few since then. amp.popbuzz.com/music/artists/taylor-swift/features/own-songs-solo-writing-credits/That’s not saying she doesn’t contribute but it’s another clue that the main bulk of hits is probably found somewhere else. This debate is really where you draw the line of how a song should be written. From the heart or from the brain. Do you sit by a table and imagine the concept of an album with exec or is it only the artist that had the final decision and concept in their head. Maybe Damon was trying to say she doesn’t write much… anymore since she changed from country to pop. Which would make more sense. Damon did too much. It's a denial of Taylor Swift habilities to write songs. It's not like he discovered that Milli Vanilli are lip sync and dont write their songs or some shit like that. And I don't even like Taylor Swift.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 2, 2022 13:01:51 GMT -5
Well I did a little more reading and her contribution drastically diminished after she turned from country artist to pop artist. 100% written song by her are but a few since then. amp.popbuzz.com/music/artists/taylor-swift/features/own-songs-solo-writing-credits/That’s not saying she doesn’t contribute but it’s another clue that the main bulk of hits is probably found somewhere else. This debate is really where you draw the line of how a song should be written. From the heart or from the brain. Do you sit by a table and imagine the concept of an album with exec or is it only the artist that had the final decision and concept in their head. Maybe Damon was trying to say she doesn’t write much… anymore since she changed from country to pop. Which would make more sense. This is false. Taylor pretty much writes all her songs lyrics top to bottom. She’s a marvel at that. Now she isn’t a strong person when it comes to music production. She gives credits to her producers for helping her get it all down.
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Post by andymorris on Feb 2, 2022 14:24:15 GMT -5
Well I did a little more reading and her contribution drastically diminished after she turned from country artist to pop artist. 100% written song by her are but a few since then. amp.popbuzz.com/music/artists/taylor-swift/features/own-songs-solo-writing-credits/That’s not saying she doesn’t contribute but it’s another clue that the main bulk of hits is probably found somewhere else. This debate is really where you draw the line of how a song should be written. From the heart or from the brain. Do you sit by a table and imagine the concept of an album with exec or is it only the artist that had the final decision and concept in their head. Maybe Damon was trying to say she doesn’t write much… anymore since she changed from country to pop. Which would make more sense. This is false. Taylor pretty much writes all her songs lyrics top to bottom. She’s a marvel at that. Now she isn’t a strong person when it comes to music production. She gives credits to her producers for helping her get it all down. Music production isn’t included in songwriting credits usually so this is pretty weird and most big shots who worked with her are songwriters / producers for many other big acts and I doubt she’d just « giving it to them ». They are credited as both on other acts too. The thing with those artists it’s always too grey too be all true but again that doesn’t meant she didn’t do anything. She is a songwriter, maybe less so on latter records though. What matters is how those songs are written. Who write the « spirit » if the song. I’m not convinced she’s been propelled from classic country artist to a songwriter that changes style with every record in few months. I mean, come on. A bit like Gaga who was a real singer / songwriters and then became something else. Their work is still there but it’s not the main component anymore. It’s in the end of the hit maker like max Martin, someone you call when you need a hit. Here is probably the best article to sum up all that. Is she or if she not ? It depends on what you call songwriting. The end of the article is especially interesting modernmusicmaker.com/blog/who-writes-taylor-swift-songs?format=amp
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Post by andymorris on Feb 2, 2022 14:27:23 GMT -5
Well I did a little more reading and her contribution drastically diminished after she turned from country artist to pop artist. 100% written song by her are but a few since then. amp.popbuzz.com/music/artists/taylor-swift/features/own-songs-solo-writing-credits/That’s not saying she doesn’t contribute but it’s another clue that the main bulk of hits is probably found somewhere else. This debate is really where you draw the line of how a song should be written. From the heart or from the brain. Do you sit by a table and imagine the concept of an album with exec or is it only the artist that had the final decision and concept in their head. Maybe Damon was trying to say she doesn’t write much… anymore since she changed from country to pop. Which would make more sense. Damon did too much. It's a denial of Taylor Swift habilities to write songs. It's not like he discovered that Milli Vanilli are lip sync and dont write their songs or some shit like that. And I don't even like Taylor Swift. I understand your point of view but I guess Damon what merely tryin to say that she’s got more help than people think on her post country records. Which when you see the long list of professional songwriters included, isn’t far from the truth. Those guys made a lot of pop artists reach grounds they wouldn’t have reached by themselves, with only their songwriting abilities. I guess that’s what bothered Damon.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Feb 2, 2022 16:34:36 GMT -5
Well I did a little more reading and her contribution drastically diminished after she turned from country artist to pop artist. 100% written song by her are but a few since then. amp.popbuzz.com/music/artists/taylor-swift/features/own-songs-solo-writing-credits/That’s not saying she doesn’t contribute but it’s another clue that the main bulk of hits is probably found somewhere else. This debate is really where you draw the line of how a song should be written. From the heart or from the brain. Do you sit by a table and imagine the concept of an album with exec or is it only the artist that had the final decision and concept in their head. Maybe Damon was trying to say she doesn’t write much… anymore since she changed from country to pop. Which would make more sense. The idea that you have any insight into how Taylor Swift's songs are written based on this article -- let alone if they come from the head or the heart -- is beyond ridiculous. You don't. Not even a little. The only people qualified to weigh in on how she writes songs are the people who have worked with her. What happened here was quite simple -- Damon publicly expressed an opinion, perhaps poorly, that was slanderous. He was asked to apologize and clarify his remarks and he did. Which makes him a decent person. End of story.
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