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Post by supernovadragon on Apr 20, 2020 9:39:30 GMT -5
My favourite Oasis gig I went to was the Manchester gig in 05.
Don't Believe The Truth gets far too much hate because it isn't the 90s. As an album, it flows very well, better than some other albums I own.
I will also never get the hate for Keep The Dream Alive as it's one of my favourites from the album, it reminds me of summer 05 so maybe nostalgia plays a part, I don't know.
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Post by Aman on Apr 20, 2020 10:02:49 GMT -5
Was a great time to be an Oasis fan. ❤
Despite DBTT not being that great but I still love POTQ.
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Post by Casino Boogie on Apr 20, 2020 10:50:54 GMT -5
I love Part of the Queue, my fave song from this era, it sounds like what Noel would do in his solo career. Also there is a percussion played by Lenny Castro on the solo that you can barely hear, you have to turn up the volume to hear it. Would love to hear Noel have a crack at this live with his current band. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 11:03:38 GMT -5
I remember a conversation many years ago with an old work colleague who was a big music fan and I quoted Noel's "the La's doing the Kinks" thing about TIOBI and his view was that Noel should be recording his songs as they're written and not trying to force them to sound like something else. I think he was absolutely spot-on. There's not a song on there that I don't like, but it all sounds so flat. Mucky Fingers, TIOBI and A Bell Will Ring are particularly bad for being forced into sounding like other bands when live versions are much better.
I also think Noel has a thing where he judges albums by how enjoyable there were to make, so he massively overrates HC and DBTT.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 20, 2020 11:57:38 GMT -5
I remember a conversation many years ago with an old work colleague who was a big music fan and I quoted Noel's "the La's doing the Kinks" thing about TIOBI and his view was that Noel should be recording his songs as they're written and not trying to force them to sound like something else. I think he was absolutely spot-on. There's not a song on there that I don't like, but it all sounds so flat. Mucky Fingers, TIOBI and A Bell Will Ring are particularly bad for being forced into sounding like other bands when live versions are much better. I also think Noel has a thing where he judges albums by how enjoyable there were to make, so he massively overrates HC and DBTT. It doesn’t sound like DBTT was enjoyable to make. They recorded it 3 fucking times. First with Death In Vegas. Didn’t work. Next with Noel running point. Didn’t work. Finally they went to LA to work with Dave Sardy at Capitol studios. Finally worked but they had to drag out two demos to beef it up. Lyla and TIOBI. On the contrary, it seems DOYS was a breeze to make. Outside of Liam running off to get married it was incident free and Noel entered a purple patch of creativity. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 20, 2020 12:36:42 GMT -5
I remember Noel saying to Jo Whiley and Mark Radcliff in the studio at Glasto 2004 about the failed recording.
He wasn't happy at all. It was 25th June 2004. 2 days earlier they played A Bell Will Ring and The Meaning of Soul at Poole Lighthouse for the first time ever with their new drummer Zak Starkey.
Yet the release of DBTT was 10 months away.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 20, 2020 12:42:20 GMT -5
I remember Noel saying to Jo Whiley and Mark Radcliff in the studio at Glasto 2004 about the failed recording. He wasn't happy at all. It was 25th June 2004. 2 days earlier they played A Bell Will Ring and The Meaning of Soul at Poole Lighthouse for the first time ever with their new drummer Zak Starkey. Yet the release of DBTT was 10 months away. Noel's big plan was to get the album out before Glastonbury which obviously did not occur. DBTT and the summer of 2005 were certainly a happy period but it was a tough process to get there. Those recording sessions were tedious!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 12:43:59 GMT -5
I remember a conversation many years ago with an old work colleague who was a big music fan and I quoted Noel's "the La's doing the Kinks" thing about TIOBI and his view was that Noel should be recording his songs as they're written and not trying to force them to sound like something else. I think he was absolutely spot-on. There's not a song on there that I don't like, but it all sounds so flat. Mucky Fingers, TIOBI and A Bell Will Ring are particularly bad for being forced into sounding like other bands when live versions are much better. I also think Noel has a thing where he judges albums by how enjoyable there were to make, so he massively overrates HC and DBTT. It doesn’t sound like DBTT was enjoyable to make. They recorded it 3 fucking times. First with Death In Vegas. Didn’t work. Next with Noel running point. Didn’t work. Finally they went to LA to work with Dave Sardy at Capitol studios. Finally worked but they had to drag out two demos to beef it up. Lyla and TIOBI. On the contrary, it seems DOYS was a breeze to make. Outside of Liam running off to get married it was incident free and Noel entered a purple patch of creativity. He seemed to enjoy the final round of recording in LA. The rest, not so much. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 20, 2020 13:06:10 GMT -5
It doesn’t sound like DBTT was enjoyable to make. They recorded it 3 fucking times. First with Death In Vegas. Didn’t work. Next with Noel running point. Didn’t work. Finally they went to LA to work with Dave Sardy at Capitol studios. Finally worked but they had to drag out two demos to beef it up. Lyla and TIOBI. On the contrary, it seems DOYS was a breeze to make. Outside of Liam running off to get married it was incident free and Noel entered a purple patch of creativity. He seemed to enjoy the final round of recording in LA. The rest, not so much. Well he didn't enjoy all the executives telling him the album had no singles and to find some other songs to include. That is the only reason why we got Lyla and TIOBI on DBTT. Imagine if they weren't included? All the sudden DBTT isn't looking so hot. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2020 13:32:35 GMT -5
He seemed to enjoy the final round of recording in LA. The rest, not so much. Well he didn't enjoy all the executives telling him the album had no singles and to find some other songs to include. That is the only reason why we got Lyla and TIOBI on DBTT. Imagine if they weren't included? All the sudden DBTT isn't looking so hot. Kind of depends on how true you believe Noel's stories are. He was playing Lyla and TIOBI at the soundcheck in Poole so I'm not convinced. |
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Post by Flashbax on Apr 20, 2020 15:09:05 GMT -5
Didn't Noel want Mucky Fingers as leadsingle?
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Post by yeayeayeah on Apr 20, 2020 15:15:53 GMT -5
Loved it at the time and was able to see the band in Newcastle which was amazing. Oasis always had elements of 60's music but this was the first time they completely imitated it. Plus I don't think the songs are there. TUTS is great, IOBI is a classic and LTBL is a good song but something about it doesn't quite work, POTQ is okay. The rest is pretty bland.
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Post by MacaRonic on Apr 20, 2020 16:41:07 GMT -5
He seemed to enjoy the final round of recording in LA. The rest, not so much. Well he didn't enjoy all the executives telling him the album had no singles and to find some other songs to include. That is the only reason why we got Lyla and TIOBI on DBTT. Imagine if they weren't included? All the sudden DBTT isn't looking so hot. I’m pretty sure ‘Idle’ was going to be included either way. If memory serves me right it was ‘Let There Be Love’ that was pushed on the album and released later as a single. Noel described it as the albums ‘flag waver’ which wasn’t originally intended to be included. |
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Post by Headmaster on Apr 20, 2020 20:25:49 GMT -5
In 2005 DBTT was a breath of fresh air, you can see that Noel's fisrt two solo albums sound more like DBTT than 90's Oasis, unlike HC they weren't trying to sound like their old selves, the band sound renewed on this album.
The singles are great, Lyla was a great comeback first single, TIOBI sounded like a cross between La's and Kinks and it was very refreshing without Noel trying to rewrite another DLBIA, Let The Be Love while not as charming as the early demo still a good song.
Mucky Fingers, Part of The Queue and Turn Up The Sun all sounded different than the usual Oasis stuffs, also the band invested more on acoustic moments with Guess God Thinks I'm Abel and Love Like a Bomb.
Even the bad songs aren't that bad, A Bell Will Ring is just a generic Revolver sounding song, Keep the Dream Alive is a bit of a mess and The Meaning of Soul is just a fun little filler.
I can see why it didn't age that well, blame it on Dave Sardy's loose production (some songs sound great while others needed more care), blame the more lived-in sound, blame the fact that it doesn't rock as hard as past albums or blame the fact that it lacks that characteristic Oasis pretentiouness.
DBTT is a good little album, but a good little album isn't enough for a band like Oasis.
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Post by welshylad on Apr 21, 2020 2:35:35 GMT -5
The album itself was a bit shite. But I have some awesome memories from that tour I saw them about 9 times I think, and let me tell you they were some of the best gigs I've been to Coronet Hammersmith Milton Keynes 1st and 2nd night Manchester 1st and 2nd night V-Festival Cardiff Lille ( I went to France on my own !  ) Brilliant gigs! |
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Post by freek on Apr 21, 2020 2:50:10 GMT -5
Great album! The first since BHN that I kept listening to for a longer while. SOTSOG and especially HC didn't keep me interested, though I do like some of their songs. I do agree nevertheless that the overall quality of the songs may be better, but the best songs don't reach the level of SCYHO or GP!
I liked the singles and enjoyed their succes, but I especially liked lots of other songs, like TUTS, TMOS, GGTI'MA and POTQ. Can't believe the truth that it's already 15 years! It deserves more praise imho.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 21, 2020 5:44:36 GMT -5
I remember a conversation many years ago with an old work colleague who was a big music fan and I quoted Noel's "the La's doing the Kinks" thing about TIOBI and his view was that Noel should be recording his songs as they're written and not trying to force them to sound like something else. I think he was absolutely spot-on. There's not a song on there that I don't like, but it all sounds so flat. Mucky Fingers, TIOBI and A Bell Will Ring are particularly bad for being forced into sounding like other bands when live versions are much better. I also think Noel has a thing where he judges albums by how enjoyable there were to make, so he massively overrates HC and DBTT. It doesn’t sound like DBTT was enjoyable to make. They recorded it 3 fucking times. First with Death In Vegas. Didn’t work. Next with Noel running point. Didn’t work. Finally they went to LA to work with Dave Sardy at Capitol studios. Finally worked but they had to drag out two demos to beef it up. Lyla and TIOBI. On the contrary, it seems DOYS was a breeze to make. Outside of Liam running off to get married it was incident free and Noel entered a purple patch of creativity. Frustrating maybe but clearly lots of songs were being written and demoed around and that time and they enjoyed crafting the album, particularly when they got to LA. The band seem on top form personally. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Apr 21, 2020 5:49:52 GMT -5
The album itself was a bit shite. But I have some awesome memories from that tour I saw them about 9 times I think, and let me tell you they were some of the best gigs I've been to Coronet Hammersmith Milton Keynes 1st and 2nd night Manchester 1st and 2nd night V-Festival Cardiff Lille ( I went to France on my own ! ) Brilliant gigs! Hammersmith Glasgow Manchester 1st and 2nd night Milton Keynes 1st and 2nd night Southampton Enjoyed them all. Was a good tour. |
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Post by morning_rain on Apr 21, 2020 6:46:02 GMT -5
Didn't Noel want Mucky Fingers as leadsingle? Yeah, I remember it. I'm talking from memory but I think he said so in on a track by track interview on Rolling Stone back when it was released. I'll always love DBTT. Not their best, but one of the most consistent, such a pleasure to listen from start to finish. It was my first Oasis release as a fan, and I was also into a huge Beatles phase at the time, so I loved the vintage vibe of the era. Suddenly it was cool to listen to Oasis again, Lyla was everywhere, people who had stopped listening to Oasis praised TIOBI, the press gave it high ratings and all the new bands were talking about them as an influence. I guess people listening to DBTT now for the first time won't understand, but it was a great moment to be a fan, specially for the ones that weren't around during the DM-WTSMG days. The downside was Liam's live voice. But even despite of that, it was great. Could it be a better album? Of course. I like it as it is, but I wonder how different could've been if it was full of Noel written tunes. At the time I saw it as some kind of experiment and I thougt they would switch back to the Noel writes + Liam sings formula, which they didn't. And if I had to change anything I'd include Eyeball Tickler after KTDA, it needs another rocker and I always loved that song. |
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Post by World71R on Apr 21, 2020 13:30:37 GMT -5
About a week ago or so, I took the time to edit Keep the Dream Alive. I made the song more streamlined and as Ride-crossed-with-Oasis as I could get it while staying true to the song. You can find it below here: |
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Post by Gergely on Apr 21, 2020 14:13:00 GMT -5
Easily the third favourite Oasis album for me. Flows well. I still listen to it quite a lot. I'm pretty much all right with the whole thing, though Part of the Queue and Keep The Dream Alive were never that convincing, and the midle section of Let There Be Love makes me cringe now. The tour looked rather fun, too, despite Liam being all over the place sometimes.
Turn Up The Sun would get in my Oasis top 20, maybe even cracking the top 10 (is that blasphemy?) and to be honest I rather enjoy the album version of The Meaning of Soul, too.
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Post by Aman on Apr 21, 2020 19:13:55 GMT -5
I was 13 years old when this album came out. Good memories of listening to it round my mates house. Might listen to it tomorrow actually. Yeah I had just finished my GCSEs when it came out, have good memories of that summer and the album is linked to that. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Apr 22, 2020 5:50:13 GMT -5
Listened to the album last night.
The Summer of 2005 was a great time to being an Oasis fan. Band made sold out MSG for the first time, Manchester, great vibe. Somewhere in deep in my heart, I wish they would have called a day after this album.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Apr 22, 2020 9:33:20 GMT -5
Listened to the album last night. The Summer of 2005 was a great time to being an Oasis fan. Band made sold out MSG for the first time, Manchester, great vibe. Somewhere in deep in my heart, I wish they would have called a day after this album. What are your major gripes with DOYS? Noel’s songwriting was much much better during this period than the previous 8 years. Is it the denser production? |
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Post by Plantpot on Apr 22, 2020 12:57:56 GMT -5
I, too, have great memories of that summer. I made it to the MSG gig (among others) and the Live4ever meetup at Mustang Sally's before and afterwards. Good times.
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