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Post by quantum on Jul 12, 2022 3:09:05 GMT -5
Let's just hope Liam wasn't telling the truth and it was actually Jimmy Savile. Oh God, a removed Savile reference and bank rolling Glitter with Hello... no one tell the press!!! |
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Jul 12, 2022 9:24:14 GMT -5
The story from Noel and I suspect the one he will stick to for good is that the lyrics are all about nothing or vague in meaning but it's always fun to speculate. Some of Hargreave's ideas sound plausible to me if a little on the fantastical side.
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Post by tiger40 on Jul 12, 2022 13:04:51 GMT -5
Don't Look Back In Anger is a great song though.
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Post by matt on Jul 12, 2022 13:06:06 GMT -5
Let's just hope Liam wasn't telling the truth and it wasn't actually Jimmy Savile. What?!?! |
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Post by The Escapist on Jul 12, 2022 14:20:43 GMT -5
Let's just hope Liam wasn't telling the truth and it wasn't actually Jimmy Savile. What?!?! 1:19 |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 13, 2022 3:39:57 GMT -5
Noel is trying to make people talk about his songs again, too bad that less and less people gives a shit about it.
We all know that Sally is random name and that Liam asked is he singing "So Sally can wait"?
It is really sad that he is making up story and thinking that it will make people talk about it again and in reality nobody gives a shit. Not even here.
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Jul 13, 2022 4:47:30 GMT -5
Noel is trying to make people talk about his songs again, too bad that less and less people gives a shit about it. We all know that Sally is random name and that Liam asked is he singing "So Sally can wait"? It is really sad that he is making up story and thinking that it will make people talk about it again and in reality nobody gives a shit. Not even here. I beg your pardon? Noel hasn't started the conversation at all, it's James Hargreaves and the videos that has gotten people talking about his songs again. Noel's only contribution to the conversation was in the Matt Morgan podcast when he tried to move past the subject after Matt brought it up. And clearly people do give a shit, if not we wouldn't be talking about it. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jul 13, 2022 9:47:21 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty much established that there was no Sally? I read an old article from 1995 about the song, how it was written, what every line meant, they asked the band about it, and it was Liam who came up with this line and Noel took it coz it sounded good? So it doesn’t mean anything. The whole song is collection of lines not connected with each other I am not saying that Sally is Melissa Lim because... who knows? But the idea of writing lyrics using "random lines not connected to each other" strikes me as very unlikely. It's simply harder to write random lyrics than picking a subject, even if you make it cryptic so it's more universal and also to avoid exposing yourself too much. Hargreaves also adressed this with 'Do You Know What I Mean ?' in a quite convincing way. He argued it's about Noel's upbringing and how he was abused by his father If you are curious, the video is here: |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 13, 2022 10:56:11 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty much established that there was no Sally? I read an old article from 1995 about the song, how it was written, what every line meant, they asked the band about it, and it was Liam who came up with this line and Noel took it coz it sounded good? So it doesn’t mean anything. The whole song is collection of lines not connected with each other I am not saying that Sally is Melissa Lim because... who knows? But the idea of writing lyrics using "random lines not connected to each other" strikes me as very unlikely. It's simply harder to write random lyrics than picking a subject, even if you make it cryptic so it's more universal and also to avoid exposing yourself too much. Hargreaves also adressed this with 'Do You Know What I Mean ?' in a quite convincing way. He argued it's about Noel's upbringing and how he was abused by his father If you are curious, the video is here: Noel isn't particularly guarded most of the time, I can't see him not having mentioned that before. It seems like a consistent effort by Hargreaves to make Oasis and Noel something they weren't. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jul 13, 2022 12:13:45 GMT -5
I am not saying that Sally is Melissa Lim because... who knows? But the idea of writing lyrics using "random lines not connected to each other" strikes me as very unlikely. It's simply harder to write random lyrics than picking a subject, even if you make it cryptic so it's more universal and also to avoid exposing yourself too much. Hargreaves also adressed this with 'Do You Know What I Mean ?' in a quite convincing way. He argued it's about Noel's upbringing and how he was abused by his father If you are curious, the video is here: Noel isn't particularly guarded most of the time, I can't see him not having mentioned that before. It seems like a consistent effort by Hargreaves to make Oasis and Noel something they weren't. Well, he has very rarely talked about the abuse from his father and that's something that for sure had to impact him |
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Post by m143 on Jul 13, 2022 12:43:02 GMT -5
Matt brought it up and it sounded like Noel was avoiding it by saying “It would ruin the Girls life” Unless he was acting
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 14, 2022 2:54:42 GMT -5
Noel's only contribution to the conversation was in the Matt Morgan podcast when he tried to move past the subject after Matt brought it up. 😉 |
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 14, 2022 2:57:35 GMT -5
As Noel would say: music, music, music!
You look like bunch of Mark David Chapmans, without murdering part 🤣
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Post by rorymcbride on Jul 14, 2022 7:09:32 GMT -5
Well in another podcast Noel said that he lived above (or below- I can't remember) Salman Rushdie when he first moved to London. This could explain Matt's mention of a "male novelist" and "a Fatwa" as Rushdie had one of them out for his "Satanic Verses". So it's conclusive- Sally from "Don't Look Back In Anger" is Salman Rushdie. Please subscribe to my YouTube channel for a 3 hour video that details how "Be Here Now" lines up with "Shrek" to create a whole new film.
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Post by lalaland on Jul 14, 2022 8:27:53 GMT -5
Well in another podcast Noel said that he lived above (or below- I can't remember) Salman Rushdie when he first moved to London. This could explain Matt's mention of a "male novelist" and "a Fatwa" as Rushdie had one of them out for his "Satanic Verses". So it's conclusive- Sally from "Don't Look Back In Anger" is Salman Rushdie. Please subscribe to my YouTube channel for a 3 hour video that details how "Be Here Now" lines up with "Shrek" to create a whole new film.   |
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Post by bt95 on Jul 14, 2022 17:04:20 GMT -5
Noel is trying to make people talk about his songs again, too bad that less and less people gives a shit about it. We all know that Sally is random name and that Liam asked is he singing "So Sally can wait"? It is really sad that he is making up story and thinking that it will make people talk about it again and in reality nobody gives a shit. Not even here. Ey |
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Post by bt95 on Jul 14, 2022 17:11:13 GMT -5
I am not saying that Sally is Melissa Lim because... who knows? But the idea of writing lyrics using "random lines not connected to each other" strikes me as very unlikely. It's simply harder to write random lyrics than picking a subject, even if you make it cryptic so it's more universal and also to avoid exposing yourself too much. Hargreaves also adressed this with 'Do You Know What I Mean ?' in a quite convincing way. He argued it's about Noel's upbringing and how he was abused by his father If you are curious, the video is here: Noel isn't particularly guarded most of the time, I can't see him not having mentioned that before. It seems like a consistent effort by Hargreaves to make Oasis and Noel something they weren't. He seems like a nice enough guy and fair play for him doing a good YT channel. but people do sometimes go a bit overboard with stuff. I will say that Hargreaves has clearly taken it all in good humour though and isn't offended and it's all pretty harmless. The thing is with Noel's lyrics, the best ones have so many different meanings. It's why Oasis' songs are so universal. They aren't about anything in particular but at the same time they're about everything in the world. It's a special thing and not many songwriters have it. Not saying I don't love the more observational side of lyrics, because I do, but they're just different sides and Noel's best ones always have that universal appeal. The lyrics to DYWIM probably have nothing to do with Noel's upbringing, but maybe deep down there's something there that he subconciously dipped into. But I doubt he ever thought about it. It's like when I write a feature for work. Subconciously, I'm probably channeling an idea or a way of writing that I've seen in the past or previously. I don't necessarily think about it, though, if you get me. People love delving into lyrics and their meaning and that's sound but I don't. I just like them to mean whatever they mean to me. The only issue I have is when lyrics are crap and so on the nose - unless it suits that type of song etc but that's few and far between. |
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Post by mossy on Jul 14, 2022 18:24:02 GMT -5
Has he done a video on I Can See A Liar yet? X
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Post by darmin on Jul 15, 2022 0:32:22 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty much established that there was no Sally? I read an old article from 1995 about the song, how it was written, what every line meant, they asked the band about it, and it was Liam who came up with this line and Noel took it coz it sounded good? So it doesn’t mean anything. The whole song is collection of lines not connected with each other I am not saying that Sally is Melissa Lim because... who knows? But the idea of writing lyrics using "random lines not connected to each other" strikes me as very unlikely. It's simply harder to write random lyrics than picking a subject, even if you make it cryptic so it's more universal and also to avoid exposing yourself too much. Hargreaves also adressed this with 'Do You Know What I Mean ?' in a quite convincing way. He argued it's about Noel's upbringing and how he was abused by his father If you are curious, the video is here: Well that’s how I see this song. One line from his mother, another, about revolution from JL, another maybe from Melissa, another from Liam. No larger meaning. That’s not love song. Sounds good, easy to memorize and singalong |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jul 15, 2022 22:17:34 GMT -5
So….was there another podcast update? Or we’re just killing time now till next year’s March 2023 release?
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Post by mossy on Jul 16, 2022 4:29:40 GMT -5
I am not saying that Sally is Melissa Lim because... who knows? But the idea of writing lyrics using "random lines not connected to each other" strikes me as very unlikely. It's simply harder to write random lyrics than picking a subject, even if you make it cryptic so it's more universal and also to avoid exposing yourself too much. Hargreaves also adressed this with 'Do You Know What I Mean ?' in a quite convincing way. He argued it's about Noel's upbringing and how he was abused by his father If you are curious, the video is here: Noel isn't particularly guarded most of the time, I can't see him not having mentioned that before. It seems like a consistent effort by Hargreaves to make Oasis and Noel something they weren't. I don’t think every line has super specific meaning, but I don’t think Hargreaves is a million miles wide of the mark with D’You Know What I Mean. Some quotes from Noel on the song: "The chorus says, ‘I met my maker and I made him cry’. That’s slagging off religion in a way. And on my shoulder he asked me why his people won't fly through the storm - that’s an Irish Catholic thing. But it’s about preachers too. People who get on their high horse.“ "It's not about my father, it's about God. If I ever meet Him, I'll have a few words to say. That said, I can be wrong, it's maybe about my father (mischievous smile). It's my way of evacuating my feelings: I write on a piece of paper everything that's going wrong and then it doesn't belong to me anymore. Even if what I write doesn't finish in a song, writing frees me. That's why I'll never go to see a psychologist. People don't always realize that there's a lot about me in my songs, some hard and personal things." rateyourmusic.com/list/jcalbumsandrecords/live4ever-top-100-edition-2021/ |
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Post by mossy on Jul 16, 2022 4:36:44 GMT -5
My personal interpretation of the “nonsense” chorus is it is Noel trying to articulate that feeling of looking out at an Oasis crowd. Tens of thousands of people singing his songs back at him communally. Kinda like, hello Wembley, are you with me?
It’s why non-Oasis fans think it is nonsense, because they’ve not experienced it, whereas Oasis fans love the tune. It’s such a communal song to sing along to in a massive crowd.
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Post by His Royal Noelness on Jul 16, 2022 8:56:50 GMT -5
I think Hargreaves has just started to buy into his own hype at this point. I enjoyed his videos at first but he’s clearly ran out of actual material and is just throwing any old shit at the wall.
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Post by Derrick on Jul 16, 2022 17:15:33 GMT -5
My personal interpretation of the “nonsense” chorus is it is Noel trying to articulate that feeling of looking out at an Oasis crowd. Tens of thousands of people singing his songs back at him communally. Kinda like, hello Wembley, are you with me? I remember ages ago reading an interview of Noel, probably in summer 1997, where he was commenting: "All my people, right here, right now, d'you know what I mean? It doesn't mean anything, but if you say it looking into the mirror & winking, then you'll get it" |
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Post by mossy on Jul 16, 2022 18:52:40 GMT -5
My personal interpretation of the “nonsense” chorus is it is Noel trying to articulate that feeling of looking out at an Oasis crowd. Tens of thousands of people singing his songs back at him communally. Kinda like, hello Wembley, are you with me? I remember ages ago reading an interview of Noel, probably in summer 1997, where he was commenting: "All my people, right here, right now, d'you know what I mean? It doesn't mean anything, but if you say it looking into the mirror & winking, then you'll get it" It’s in that article I linked to above, along with more quotes “I was going to make up some profound statement in the chorus but I couldn't come up with anything that fitted. Then I just thought "All my people right here, right now. D'You Know What I Mean? Yeah, Yeah" Very vague, very ambiguous, that'll do. Look in the mirror and wink while you're singing it and it's quite saucy” |
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