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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 20, 2020 3:35:48 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. If my dearest mum still would alive, I wouldn't go to visit her by travelling by a public transport as I don't want to risk her health. My good English friend lost his dad and his aunt in 4 weeks time by Covid-19. He couldn't barely make a "proper" farewell with them because of this disease. Don't tell me he would have lost his dad anyway without Covid because he was elderly? All those people who keeps saying "it's nothing more than flu", "I'm fine despite I was gathering with many others", bloody hell, you won't say the same thing if you lost your loved ones, will you? 0.004 overall death rate, 0.0005 for anyone under 49... yet masks which aren’t even effective are mandatory in most places. All deaths are from the elderly and those with pre existing health conditions or obese. "All Covid-19 deaths are elderly and those with pre-exisiting health conditions or obese"Dear Jack, would you say that if you lost your grandparents by this disease? Have a good Monday.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 3:39:25 GMT -5
0.004 overall death rate, 0.0005 for anyone under 49... yet masks which aren’t even effective are mandatory in most places. All deaths are from the elderly and those with pre existing health conditions or obese. "All Covid-19 deaths are elderly and those with pre-exisiting health conditions or obese"Dear Jack, would you say that if you lost your grandparents by this disease? Have a good Monday. Yes I would, because it's a scientific fact. Just because I'm stating facts, doesnt mean I'm trying to be insensitive. Again, where was your outrage and panic pre-2020, when thousands of elderly were dying of seasonal flu?
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 20, 2020 3:54:52 GMT -5
It's funny how I always wished to live in some western country, knowing how stupid and brainwashed people here are but in meanwhile (or it always was like that), people from USA and western Europe became bigger idiots than people from rest of the world.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 3:57:39 GMT -5
It's funny how I always wished to live in some western country, knowing how stupid and brainwashed people here are but in meanwhile (or it always was like that), people from USA and western Europe became bigger idiots than people from rest of the world. Some people are waking up, but the majority of the world are sheep and are incapable of free-thinking, doing their own research or asking questions. The power of the media is strong.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 20, 2020 3:59:41 GMT -5
0.004 overall death rate, 0.0005 for anyone under 49... yet masks which aren’t even effective are mandatory in most places. All deaths are from the elderly and those with pre existing health conditions or obese. "All Covid-19 deaths are elderly and those with pre-exisiting health conditions or obese"Dear Jack, would you say that if you lost your grandparents by this disease? Have a good Monday. This is the dumbest argument ever, you can use it for everything because we all die and people are dying in million different ways.
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 20, 2020 4:54:45 GMT -5
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 4:59:26 GMT -5
Jesus Christ...bringing up someone who died hundreds of years ago to promote their fear mongering. Absolutely pathetic.
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Post by funhouse on Jul 20, 2020 5:08:28 GMT -5
The argument that "all deaths are from the elderly and those with pre existing health conditions or obese" is monstroubly false. It is almost baffling how anyone would believe it at this point.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 5:16:10 GMT -5
The argument that "all deaths are from the elderly and those with pre existing health conditions or obese" is monstroubly false. It is almost baffling how anyone would believe it at this point. Please provide a source to back up your claims
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 5:34:14 GMT -5
'The large majority of the deaths in non-elderly individuals occur in patients who have underlying diseases.' 'The data that we have compiled allow to estimate also absolute risks of death in the highest risk group, i.e. elderly individuals ≥80 years old in these hot epicenters of the pandemic. These are markedly higher than the risks of death in individuals <65 years old. However, the absolute risk of death even in this highest age category to-date barely reach up to 1.75%' www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7327471/
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Post by mimmihopps on Jul 20, 2020 5:37:56 GMT -5
I am not wasting my time to “argue” with people who completely have a different view on this disease.
Stay safe wherever you are everyone and take care of not only yourself but for the people around you as well.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 5:49:29 GMT -5
I am not wasting my time to “argue” with people who completely have a different view on this disease. Stay safe wherever you are everyone and take care of not only yourself but for the people around you as well. I feel the same way. I respect your beliefs, but it's very frustrating when facts are provided here, but just completely ignored. Theres nothing wrong with questioning the official media narrative and making your own conclusions.
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Post by funhouse on Jul 20, 2020 5:54:28 GMT -5
'The large majority of the deaths in non-elderly individuals occur in patients who have underlying diseases. No one disagrees about that, but "the large majority" is wildly different from "all", as you said before.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 5:55:52 GMT -5
'The large majority of the deaths in non-elderly individuals occur in patients who have underlying diseases. No one disagrees about that, but "the large majority" is wildly different from "all", as you said before. So please provide me with sources showing death rates from people under 65, without underlying health conditions. Theres also the fact that Covid-19 is being put on death certifactes, even though the people havent been tested for it. I'm not trying to be rude or argue, I'm genuinely concerned about what is going on. Surely you can see why i have opposing views, when there is so much evidence that goes against the official narrative?
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Post by globe on Jul 20, 2020 6:04:24 GMT -5
What other points? Ask me again.
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Post by funhouse on Jul 20, 2020 6:04:46 GMT -5
No one disagrees about that, but "the large majority" is wildly different from "all", as you said before. So please provide me with sources showing death rates from people under 65, without underlying health conditions. Theres also the fact that Covid-19 is being put on death certifactes, even though the people havent been tested for it. I'm not trying to be rude or argue, I'm genuinely concerned about what is going on. Surely you can see why i have opposing views, when there is so much evidence that goes against the official narrative? You yourself quoted a sentence saying that non-elderly people with no pre-existing conditions actually do die from the virus(the fact that they're a minority doesn't matter). Why ask for further evidence?
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 6:07:52 GMT -5
So please provide me with sources showing death rates from people under 65, without underlying health conditions. Theres also the fact that Covid-19 is being put on death certifactes, even though the people havent been tested for it. I'm not trying to be rude or argue, I'm genuinely concerned about what is going on. Surely you can see why i have opposing views, when there is so much evidence that goes against the official narrative? You yourself quoted a sentence saying that non-elderly people with no pre-existing conditions actually do die from the virus(the fact that they're a minority doesn't matter). Why ask for further evidence? Because the tiny amount of deaths that do occur, do not warrant a worldwide lockdown and the destruction of the economy and peoples social lives. You also cannot provide any sources.
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 6:09:04 GMT -5
What other points? Ask me again. How can test kits be reliable, or vaccines be produced for a virus that hasn't been isolated?
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Post by funhouse on Jul 20, 2020 6:39:09 GMT -5
You yourself quoted a sentence saying that non-elderly people with no pre-existing conditions actually do die from the virus(the fact that they're a minority doesn't matter). Why ask for further evidence? Because the tiny amount of deaths that do occur, do not warrant a worldwide lockdown and the destruction of the economy and peoples social lives. You also cannot provide any sources. So now you agree that such deaths do occur? Why did you ask for a source when you already believe it yourself?
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 6:44:30 GMT -5
Because the tiny amount of deaths that do occur, do not warrant a worldwide lockdown and the destruction of the economy and peoples social lives. You also cannot provide any sources. So now you agree that such deaths do occur? Why did you ask for a source when you already believe it yourself? I dont deny that healthy people can die under rare circumstances of influenza. But do you not agree that those numbers are ridiculously low? Until I am proved otherwise by real evidence, then my mind wont be changed. The chances of a child dying of this virus is 35 million to 1. Do you think this warrants schools being closed?
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Post by eva on Jul 20, 2020 6:51:33 GMT -5
No they wouldn't, because you don't risk getting heart disease by SHAKING SOMEONE ELSE'S HAND. Or by breathing into someone else's face. And so on. You see, this is what makes people "panic", the fact that this is a PANDEMIC. And about those "tiny death rates", we should really take that into consideration when THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS of people all over the world have died. A 0.26% death rate isnt a pandemic. CDC Reportwww.greenmedinfo.com/blog/horowitz-cdc-confirms-remarkably-low-coronavirus-death-rate-where-media?utm_campaign=Daily Newsletter%3A Horowitz%3A The CDC Confirms Remarkably Low Coronavirus Death Rate. Where is the Media%3F %28Uq5dzc%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Daily Newsletter&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJkYXZpZC5seW5uQGxpdmUuY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiSzJ2WEF5In0%3D I don't know where that % comes from, the numbers are much higher: ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-------------- numbers aside, the disregard towards a fellow person because most deaths occur in "older, fat or sick" people is mind boggling. me and my mates are fine, I don't care about anyone else. fascinating behaviour
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 6:57:15 GMT -5
I don't know where that % comes from, the numbers are much higher: ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-------------- numbers aside, the disregard towards a fellow person because most deaths occur in "older, fat or sick" people is mind boggling. me and my mates are fine, I don't care about anyone else. fascinating behaviour This is also from your link: 'First, not everyone who died of COVID-19 is known to have died of that disease, for example when no test for the virus was conducted. And second, it captures the indirect mortality impact of the pandemic. The impact of the pandemic can overwhelm the healthcare system so that people die of other causes of death. Excess mortality is then a more comprehensive measure of the death count during the pandemic.' If these deaths are counted toward the total, then the numbers are going to be higher. More people are dying indirectly, than of the virus itself. From the link I provided: "Four infectious disease doctors in Canada estimate that the individual rate of death from COVID-19 for people under 65 years of age is six per million people, or 0.0006 per cent - 1 in 166,666, which is "roughly equivalent to the risk of dying from a motor vehicle accident during the same time period."
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Post by oasisserbia on Jul 20, 2020 7:04:16 GMT -5
I am not wasting my time to “argue” with people who completely have a different view on this disease. Stay safe wherever you are everyone and take care of not only yourself but for the people around you as well. I actually work from home, cycle and run on my own, hang out only with few friends and family members, most of the time in parks with nobody around us and go to my countryside house alone to work on my garden. But that's my life anyway, with or without Covid. I've been to protests because it was for greater cause and it was worth taking the risk. Unfortunately, we failed to overtrow the government but we succeeded to stop diabolic lockdown and police curfew measures that they were planning. I am actually taking care for me and for others more than 99% of the people. I would wear mask always if I had a job in some market or restaurant, of course. But all that is one side of the story, the other is lies and panic that they are more than obviously creating on purpose. So I recommend that you stop watching the news, because the news contrives to frighten you, to make you feel small and alone, to make you feel that your mind isn't your own.
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Post by eva on Jul 20, 2020 7:09:58 GMT -5
This is also from your link: 'First, not everyone who died of COVID-19 is known to have died of that disease, for example when no test for the virus was conducted. And second, it captures the indirect mortality impact of the pandemic. The impact of the pandemic can overwhelm the healthcare system so that people die of other causes of death. Excess mortality is then a more comprehensive measure of the death count during the pandemic.' If these deaths are counted toward the total, then the numbers are going to be higher. More people are dying indirectly, than of the virus itself. From the link I provided: "Four infectious disease doctors in Canada estimate that the individual rate of death from COVID-19 for people under 65 years of age is six per million people, or 0.0006 per cent - 1 in 166,666, which is "roughly equivalent to the risk of dying from a motor vehicle accident during the same time period." yes! to be young and healthy... let's focus only on the tiny small threat for people under 65 only who cares about old folks, they're gonna die soon anyway, right?
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Post by Jack on Jul 20, 2020 7:20:30 GMT -5
This is also from your link: 'First, not everyone who died of COVID-19 is known to have died of that disease, for example when no test for the virus was conducted. And second, it captures the indirect mortality impact of the pandemic. The impact of the pandemic can overwhelm the healthcare system so that people die of other causes of death. Excess mortality is then a more comprehensive measure of the death count during the pandemic.' If these deaths are counted toward the total, then the numbers are going to be higher. More people are dying indirectly, than of the virus itself. From the link I provided: "Four infectious disease doctors in Canada estimate that the individual rate of death from COVID-19 for people under 65 years of age is six per million people, or 0.0006 per cent - 1 in 166,666, which is "roughly equivalent to the risk of dying from a motor vehicle accident during the same time period." yes! to be young and healthy... let's focus only on the tiny small threat for people under 65 only who cares about old folks, they're gonna die soon anyway, right? That's such an overused reply. You haven't acknowledged my reply on those numbers being increased by non Covid deaths. More old people are dying from being denied health care, operations etc, because hospitals are too concerned with this 'virus'. This is what you should be angry about.
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