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Post by whippinpicadilly on Feb 8, 2020 18:38:44 GMT -5
Seems to be a fairly common opinion. Implying BHN's biggest issue is the songs aren't strong enough.
But should they?
I've always thought it primarily comes down to the headspace of the band at the time - planet sized egos, shovelling devil's dandruff up their beaks in wholesale quantities...
Even though I agree Masterplan CD has stronger tunes than the BHN we got, they'd likely have been subject to the same production and length. We'd porbably have an 8 minute Aquiesce, 19 guitars on Listen Up etc.
Also what would have been the B sides to the DM and MG singles? From memory as a 90s teenager, Oasis' strong B sides was a big part of their appeal. People bought singles then and it was always exciting to pick up the latest Oasis single on CD - reasonably confident one there'd be a track or two on there that matched or even exceeded the lead. People knew these songs in the 90s. Check out the pube haired guy belting out Aquiesce in the Gmex video.
Dunno how to end this post....yeah? Discuss.
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 9, 2020 7:55:24 GMT -5
I think The Masterplan should have been saved for BHN, it could have been a monster hit for them in 1997.
Other than that, I don't think any of them would have fit. BHN has the tunes for the most part, it just needed to be arranged, edited, and produced more tastefully. Keep the heavy arrogance, just give it more dynamics and less needless repetitions.
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Feb 9, 2020 9:25:14 GMT -5
If BHN were double album, Masterplan B-sides would've fit, maybe.
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Feb 9, 2020 10:15:05 GMT -5
hmm..
D1
1.Be Here Now
2.Stay Young
3.Stand By Me
4.Going Nowhere
5.I Hope, I Think, I Know
6.Fade In-Out
7.Don't Go Away
8.It's Gettin' Better (Man!!)
9.The Masterplan
D2
1.D'You Know What I Mean?
2.My Big Mouth
3.Magic Pie
4.Round Are Way
5.The Girl In The Dirty Shirt
6.Acquiesce
7.Listen Up
8.Headshrinker
9.All Around The World
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 9, 2020 10:38:49 GMT -5
Seems to be a fairly common opinion. Implying BHN's biggest issue is the songs aren't strong enough.
But should they?
I've always thought it primarily comes down to the headspace of the band at the time - planet sized egos, shovelling devil's dandruff up their beaks in wholesale quantities...
Even though I agree Masterplan CD has stronger tunes than the BHN we got, they'd likely have been subject to the same production and length. We'd porbably have an 8 minute Aquiesce, 19 guitars on Listen Up etc.
Also what would have been the B sides to the DM and MG singles? From memory as a 90s teenager, Oasis' strong B sides was a big part of their appeal. People bought singles then and it was always exciting to pick up the latest Oasis single on CD - reasonably confident one there'd be a track or two on there that matched or even exceeded the lead. People knew these songs in the 90s. Check out the pube haired guy belting out Aquiesce in the Gmex video.
Dunno how to end this post....yeah? Discuss.
I am ok with that. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 9, 2020 10:41:43 GMT -5
I’m fine with the way things played out.
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 9, 2020 11:32:25 GMT -5
No, it's great as it is.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Feb 9, 2020 11:46:56 GMT -5
I can’t imagine an Oasis without the out of control excess of the BHN era. Mental times.
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 9, 2020 12:05:29 GMT -5
DM
1. Rock 'n' Roll Star
2. Shakermaker
3. Live Forever
4. Up in the Sky
5. Columbia
6. Supersonic
7. Bring It on Down
8. Cigarettes & Alcohol
9. Digsy's Dinner
10. Slide Away
11. Married with Children
Singles:
1. Supersonic (Take Me Away, I Will Believe(live), Columbia(white label demo))
2. Shakermaker (D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman?, Alive(8-track demo), Bring It On Down(live))
3. Live Forever (Up in the Sky(acoustic), Cloudburst, Supersonic(live))
4. Cigarettes & Alcohol (I Am the Walrus(live), Fade Away, Take Me)
5. Rock 'n' Roll Star (Radio single)
Whatever(single)
B-sides: (It's Good) to Be Free, Slide Away
WTSMG
1. Hello
2. Roll with It
3. Wonderwall
4. Don't Look Back in Anger
5. Hey Now!
6. Untitled (The Swamp Song — Excerpt 1)
7. Some Might Say
8. Cast No Shadow
9. She's Electric
10. Morning Glory
11. Untitled (The Swamp Song — Excerpt 2)
12. Champagne Supernova
Singles:
1. Some Might Say (Sad Song, Step Out, Cigarettes & Alcohol(live))
2. Roll with It (It's Better People, , Live Forever(Live at Glastonbury '95), Bonehead's Bank Holiday))
3. Morning Glory (It's Better People, , Live Forever(Live at Glastonbury '95), Bonehead's Bank Holiday))
4. Wonderwall (Round Are Way, The Swamp Song, Rock 'n' Roll Star(live)
5. Don't Look Back in Anger (Underneath the Sky, Cum On Feel the Noize, Wonderwall(live))
6. Champagne Supernova (Slide Away)
TM
1. Round Are Way
2. Underneath the Sky
3. Sad Song
4. Going Nowhere
5. Fade Away
6. The Swamp Song
7. I Am The Walrus(live)
8. D'Yer Wanna Be a Spaceman?
9. Step Out
10. Bonehead's Bank Holiday
11. (It's Good) to Be Free
12. Stay Young
BHN
1. D'You Know What I Mean?
2. Acquiesce
3. Talk Tonight
4. Rockin' Chair
5. Listen Up
6. Headshrinker
7. Stand by Me
8. Don't Go Away
9. Half the World Away
10. All Around the World
11. Be Here Now
12. The Masterplan
Singles:
1. Acquiesce (It's Gettin' Better (Man!!), I Hope, I Think, I Know, All Around the World (Reprise))
2. The Masterplan (Fade In-Out, My Big Mouth, Magic Pie)
3. Stand by Me (The Girl in the Dirty Shirt, The Fame, Flashbax)
4. Don't Go Away (Angel Child, (I Got) The Fever, Fade Away (Warchild Version))
5. All Around the World (My Sister Lover, Street Fighting Man, Heroes)
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Post by GlastoEls on Feb 9, 2020 12:54:56 GMT -5
I can’t imagine an Oasis without the out of control excess of the BHN era. Mental times. Not if you were 10 at the time! ;D |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 9, 2020 13:09:32 GMT -5
1. D'You Know What I Mean?
2. My Big Mouth
3. The Masterplan
4. Stand By Me
5. I Hope, I Think I Know
6. The Girl in the Dirty Shirt
7. Fade In/Out
8. Don't Go Away
9. Be Here Now
10. All Around the World
11. It's Gettin' Better (Man!!)
12. All Around the World (Reprise)
Give that great production and a few edits and I'm more than happy.
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Post by megyesitomate on Feb 9, 2020 13:30:09 GMT -5
1. D'You Know What I Mean? 2. My Big Mouth 3. The Masterplan 4. Stand By Me 5. I Hope, I Think I Know 6. The Girl in the Dirty Shirt 7. Going Nowhere 8. Don't Go Away 9. Be Here Now 10. All Around the World 11. It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) 12. All Around the World (Reprise) Give that great production and a few edits and I'm more than happy. Going Nowhere is just too innocent, too pure for this album. It’s like a comforting hug, while BHN is just a barbaric punch in the plumbs. Not a match. |
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Post by The Escapist on Feb 9, 2020 13:41:41 GMT -5
1. D'You Know What I Mean? 2. My Big Mouth 3. The Masterplan 4. Stand By Me 5. I Hope, I Think I Know 6. The Girl in the Dirty Shirt 7. Going Nowhere 8. Don't Go Away 9. Be Here Now 10. All Around the World 11. It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) 12. All Around the World (Reprise) Give that great production and a few edits and I'm more than happy. Going Nowhere is just too innocent, too pure for this album. It’s like a comforting hug, while BHN is just a barbaric punch in the plumbs. Not a match. Is it? I think some overrate how aggressive Be Here Now is. Magic Pie, Stand By Me, The Girl in the Dirty Shirt, Don't Go Away, and All Around the World are all lovable pop tunes at heart - they're just made to sound rawk-ish with compressed production and misguided arrangements. With a more tasteful approach, Going Nowhere would fit right in and provide a nice contrast to rockers like I Hope I Think I Know or Gettin' Better (Man!!). |
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Post by matt on Feb 9, 2020 14:37:18 GMT -5
They shouldn't regret anything. The hype and legend of the 90s is built as much on those b-sides as the album songs, condensing so much quality in a short time frame. The rapid quick fire onslaught of quality tunes must have been unbelievable. And just think of those iconic gigs without some of those b-sides. It just wouldn't have been the same.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 9, 2020 14:50:14 GMT -5
Leave it all how it happened. Sure they could have played America differently with choice of singles but whatever. The album still sold tremendously. The tour was a ton of fun. A lot of people started bitching about Oasis once the calendar flipped to 1998. After a 4 year onslaught, people were starting to get Oasis fatigue. Combine that with new emerging popular trends like boybands, hip hop and rap metal. Oasis wasn’t a part of that scene. Nothing lasts forever.
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Post by GlastoEls on Feb 9, 2020 15:19:20 GMT -5
The hype and legend of the 90s is built as much on those b-sides as the album songs, condensing so much quality in a short time frame. The rapid quick fire onslaught of quality tunes must have been unbelievable. Spot on. Oasis singles in the UK were massive and I was as excited to get them as much as the albums. |
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Post by megyesitomate on Feb 9, 2020 16:11:07 GMT -5
Going Nowhere is just too innocent, too pure for this album. It’s like a comforting hug, while BHN is just a barbaric punch in the plumbs. Not a match. Is it? I think some overrate how aggressive Be Here Now is. Magic Pie, Stand By Me, The Girl in the Dirty Shirt, Don't Go Away, and All Around the World are all lovable pop tunes at heart - they're just made to sound rawk-ish with compressed production and misguided arrangements. With a more tasteful approach, Going Nowhere would fit right in and provide a nice contrast to rockers like I Hope I Think I Know or Gettin' Better (Man!!). Yeah, you're absolutely right, I was exaggerating a bit, but still, come on. My Big Mouth's intro alone would eat Going Nowhere alive and then you'd have to look for it under the couch. No terror, I say - the contrast would be too big. |
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Post by Headmaster on Feb 9, 2020 17:23:19 GMT -5
Leave it all how it happened. Sure they could have played America differently with choice of singles but whatever. The album still sold tremendously. The tour was a ton of fun. A lot of people started bitching about Oasis once the calendar flipped to 1998. After a 4 year onslaught, people were starting to get Oasis fatigue. Combine that with new emerging popular trends like boybands, hip hop and rap metal. Oasis wasn’t a part of that scene. Nothing lasts forever. This, they were massive for 4 years, but all that madness wouldn't last forever, at some point their popularity would start to dwindle and then it came the backlash, people trew a lot of shit on them afterwards, but that's how things are, the Oasis fatigue as you've said, it didn't help that 99/00 period things went upside down for the band, but they carried on. |
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Post by World71R on Feb 9, 2020 17:34:24 GMT -5
1. D'You Know What I Mean? 2. My Big Mouth 3. The Masterplan 4. Stand By Me 5. I Hope, I Think I Know 6. The Girl in the Dirty Shirt 7. Going Nowhere 8. Don't Go Away 9. Be Here Now 10. All Around the World 11. It's Gettin' Better (Man!!) 12. All Around the World (Reprise) Give that great production and a few edits and I'm more than happy. I'd throw Stay Young in there and take out Going Nowhere, then it'd be a more-complete, life-affirming album that would be perfect for the much-anticipated time period. Also I'd put All Around the World earlier in the album to make the Reprise sweeter (so have Stay Young/All Around the World/Don't Go Away/Be Here Now/It's Getting Better (Man!!)/Reprise). This actually makes me think about what BHN was supposed to be: A big, highly-anticipated album that would mark the culmination of a generation of music and its fans, effectively the last hurrah for the 90s alternative rock movement, in retrospect, and a celebration of youth culture, especially for British youth culture. What we got showed some semblances of that, but it just felt like an album to prove how great the band was but in an ill-conceived and coked up way which is too bad. Nonetheless, in BHN there's an album that represents what I initially talked about and I think we as MadFerIts can appreciate the album for that. |
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Post by Zingbot on Feb 9, 2020 17:40:47 GMT -5
D'ya know what I mean?
My Big Mouth
Stay Young
Stand By Me
I hope, I think, I know
The Girl In The Dirty Shirt
Fade In-Out
Don't Go Away
Be Here Now
All Around The World
It's Getting Better(Man!!)
All Around The World(reprise)
Outside of changing Magic Pie for Stay Young, It should really just be left how it is.
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Post by The Thieving Magpie on Feb 9, 2020 23:08:20 GMT -5
Only BHN era tracks
Be Here Now
Stay Young
Stand By Me
I Hope, I Think, I Know
D'You Know What I Mean? (Single Edit)
My Big Mouth
Magic Pie or Going Nowhere
Don't Go Away
It's Gettin' Better (Man!!)
All Around The World
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Post by themanwholivesinhell on Feb 12, 2020 18:00:43 GMT -5
I thought they should have been spread across all three albums. Theres some that wouldnt have been a good fit for Be Here Now in terms of sound/style, but would have fit the first 2. For example on Def Maybe id have swopped Digsys Dinner and Married With Children for Listen Up and Half The World Away.
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Post by MacaRonic on Feb 14, 2020 11:46:01 GMT -5
‘The Masterplan’ could easily work as a ‘Be Here Now’ track. Maybe ‘Acquiesce’ and obviously ‘Stay Young’ too. That’s it.
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Post by whippinpicadilly on Feb 15, 2020 6:17:37 GMT -5
Seems to be a fairly common opinion. Implying BHN's biggest issue is the songs aren't strong enough.
But should they?
I've always thought it primarily comes down to the headspace of the band at the time - planet sized egos, shovelling devil's dandruff up their beaks in wholesale quantities...
Even though I agree Masterplan CD has stronger tunes than the BHN we got, they'd likely have been subject to the same production and length. We'd porbably have an 8 minute Aquiesce, 19 guitars on Listen Up etc.
Also what would have been the B sides to the DM and MG singles? From memory as a 90s teenager, Oasis' strong B sides was a big part of their appeal. People bought singles then and it was always exciting to pick up the latest Oasis single on CD - reasonably confident one there'd be a track or two on there that matched or even exceeded the lead. People knew these songs in the 90s. Check out the pube haired guy belting out Aquiesce in the Gmex video.
Dunno how to end this post....yeah? Discuss.
I am ok with that. Hmm, come to think of it...so am I. Good point. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Feb 15, 2020 6:34:54 GMT -5
Hmm, come to think of it...so am I. Good point. And imagine live version where Liam keeps forgeting that second verse, so he sings just that first verse four or five times. Biblical. |
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