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Post by World71R on Nov 29, 2019 21:39:58 GMT -5
- The Rolling Stones are average. Mick Jagger is a mediocre singer with a piss weak voice and Keith Richards is a derivative guitar player, a bunch of posh middle class lads pretending they are from the southern states of America. Insanely derivative band. To be even mentioned in the same breath as The Beatles is a horrific insult to the Fab Four.
- The Stone Roses are overrated. I like them but three shit tunes on an apparently mesmerising debut (the rest is great though) is three too many to be considered truly great and the Second Coming is just a self-indulgent egotistical guitar wankfest from John Squire/li]
I'm curious, what three do you think are shit? |
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Post by matt on Nov 29, 2019 21:45:35 GMT -5
- The Rolling Stones are average. Mick Jagger is a mediocre singer with a piss weak voice and Keith Richards is a derivative guitar player, a bunch of posh middle class lads pretending they are from the southern states of America. Insanely derivative band. To be even mentioned in the same breath as The Beatles is a horrific insult to the Fab Four.
- The Stone Roses are overrated. I like them but three shit tunes on an apparently mesmerising debut (the rest is great though) is three too many to be considered truly great and the Second Coming is just a self-indulgent egotistical guitar wankfest from John Squire/li]
I'm curious, what three do you think are shit? Don’t Stop Elizabeth My Dear Bye Bye Badman All needless or filler tunes at best. |
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Post by Manualex on Nov 29, 2019 21:49:03 GMT -5
I'm curious, what three do you think are shit? Don’t Stop Elizabeth My Dear Bye Bye Badman All needless or filler tunes at best. Without Bye Bye Badman the cover wouldnt make sense tho. |
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Post by World71R on Nov 29, 2019 21:54:44 GMT -5
I'm curious, what three do you think are shit? Don’t Stop Elizabeth My Dear Bye Bye Badman All needless or filler tunes at best. I'd actually agree with you on that. Bye Bye Badman is the one that gets a pass, though, with its ties to the album cover and talking about the French protests that give the lemon on the cover its significance (protesters using it to neutralize the effect of tear gas). It's a shame that What the World is Waiting For was left on the side line while a (literally) backward version of Waterfall and a Her Majesty knock-off were put on the album. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 29, 2019 22:02:42 GMT -5
This is my Stone Roses debut:
1. I Wanna Be Adored
2. She Bangs the Drums
3. Waterfall
4. Fool's Gold
5. Bye Bye Bad Man
6. Sally Cinnamon
7. Made of Stone
8. Shoot You Down
9. This is the One
10. I Am the Resurrection
Never had anything but love for Bye Bye Bad Man. Great tune.
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Post by World71R on Nov 29, 2019 22:55:13 GMT -5
This is my Stone Roses debut: 1. I Wanna Be Adored 2. She Bangs the Drums 3. Waterfall 4. Fool's Gold 5. Bye Bye Bad Man 6. Sally Cinnamon 7. Made of Stone 8. Shoot You Down 9. This is the One 10. I Am the Resurrection Never had anything but love for Bye Bye Bad Man. Great tune. I'd weave Sugar Spun Sister in there and then it'd be just right in my book, but I see how this kind of a track listing would make Sugar Spun Sister more of a fun B-side gem. |
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Post by World71R on Nov 29, 2019 23:22:46 GMT -5
One song that gets overlooked in all of this is Elephant Stone, one of my favorite Stone Roses songs. It's so beautiful and raw and ethereal all at once.
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Post by glider on Nov 29, 2019 23:29:44 GMT -5
One song that gets overlooked in all of this is Elephant Stone, one of my favorite Stone Roses songs. It's so beautiful and raw and ethereal all at once. The 12" John Leckie mix is one of the greatest psychedelic pop songs of all time. Great lyrics, amazing melody, Reni is a drumming legend, all around spectacular production. The original Peter Hook mix is a solid summer pop track. I also really love the original version of Where Angels Play with different lyrics. If they worked more on this version with that wistful outro in the studio, and put in on the debut in place of Don't Stop it would've been amazing. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Nov 29, 2019 23:31:23 GMT -5
Pre-disco Bee Gee's are better than The Beatles.
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Post by glider on Nov 29, 2019 23:33:28 GMT -5
Don’t Stop Elizabeth My Dear Bye Bye Badman All needless or filler tunes at best. I'd actually agree with you on that. Bye Bye Badman is the one that gets a pass, though, with its ties to the album cover and talking about the French protests that give the lemon on the cover its significance (protesters using it to neutralize the effect of tear gas). It's a shame that What the World is Waiting For was left on the side line while a (literally) backward version of Waterfall and a Her Majesty knock-off were put on the album. What the World is Waiting For was recorded after the album was finished. WTWIWF and Fool's Gold were recorded together at Sawmills in the summer of '89. |
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Post by glider on Nov 29, 2019 23:40:14 GMT -5
This is my Stone Roses debut: 1. I Wanna Be Adored 2. She Bangs the Drums 3. Waterfall 4. Fool's Gold 5. Bye Bye Bad Man 6. Sally Cinnamon 7. Made of Stone 8. Shoot You Down 9. This is the One 10. I Am the Resurrection Never had anything but love for Bye Bye Bad Man. Great tune. Fool's Gold was actually on the album with the U.S November '89 release along with the 7" Elephant Stone mix. I wouldn't put either Sally nor Fool's Gold on any tracklisting for the record as Fool's Gold was recorded months after the album was released and Sally was released early 1987, a whole year before the inital album sessions. I think the debut's tracklist is perfect, and Elizabeth My Dear is an interlude piece. If I'd change anything, swap Don't Stop for Standing Here. |
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Post by World71R on Nov 30, 2019 0:15:05 GMT -5
I'd actually agree with you on that. Bye Bye Badman is the one that gets a pass, though, with its ties to the album cover and talking about the French protests that give the lemon on the cover its significance (protesters using it to neutralize the effect of tear gas). It's a shame that What the World is Waiting For was left on the side line while a (literally) backward version of Waterfall and a Her Majesty knock-off were put on the album. What the World is Waiting For was recorded after the album was finished. WTWIWF and Fool's Gold were recorded together at Sawmills in the summer of '89. I realized that after I made the post  Good tune though. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 30, 2019 8:23:10 GMT -5
This is my Stone Roses debut: 1. I Wanna Be Adored 2. She Bangs the Drums 3. Waterfall 4. Fool's Gold 5. Bye Bye Bad Man 6. Sally Cinnamon 7. Made of Stone 8. Shoot You Down 9. This is the One 10. I Am the Resurrection Never had anything but love for Bye Bye Bad Man. Great tune. Fool's Gold was actually on the album with the U.S November '89 release along with the 7" Elephant Stone mix. I wouldn't put either Sally nor Fool's Gold on any tracklisting for the record as Fool's Gold was recorded months after the album was released and Sally was released early 1987, a whole year before the inital album sessions. I think the debut's tracklist is perfect, and Elizabeth My Dear is an interlude piece. If I'd change anything, swap Don't Stop for Standing Here. You're right about it not being possible to put out that tracklist at the time, but this isn't a tracklist by The Stone Roses in 1989, it's a tracklist by me in 2015  I don't mind Elizabeth My Dear, either. I love old English folk songs and obviously am up for some anti-monarchism, but I quite like having the album be ten tracks long for some reason. It just fits the mood. Same with Digsy's Dinner on Definitely Maybe. I really like the song, but I have an 11-track version already and a 12-track Definitely Maybe just seems sinful somehow. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 30, 2019 8:45:55 GMT -5
This is my Stone Roses debut: 1. I Wanna Be Adored 2. She Bangs the Drums 3. Waterfall 4. Fool's Gold 5. Bye Bye Bad Man 6. Sally Cinnamon 7. Made of Stone 8. Shoot You Down 9. This is the One 10. I Am the Resurrection Never had anything but love for Bye Bye Bad Man. Great tune. Fool's Gold was actually on the album with the U.S November '89 release along with the 7" Elephant Stone mix. I wouldn't put either Sally nor Fool's Gold on any tracklisting for the record as Fool's Gold was recorded months after the album was released and Sally was released early 1987, a whole year before the inital album sessions. I think the debut's tracklist is perfect, and Elizabeth My Dear is an interlude piece. If I'd change anything, swap Don't Stop for Standing Here. Sally also came out two years prior to their debut. Doubt it would ever be on that LP at that point. |
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Post by matt on Nov 30, 2019 15:03:06 GMT -5
Don’t Stop Elizabeth My Dear Bye Bye Badman All needless or filler tunes at best. I'd actually agree with you on that. Bye Bye Badman is the one that gets a pass, though, with its ties to the album cover and talking about the French protests that give the lemon on the cover its significance (protesters using it to neutralize the effect of tear gas). It's a shame that What the World is Waiting For was left on the side line while a (literally) backward version of Waterfall and a Her Majesty knock-off were put on the album. When you hear the alternative singles and b-sides that weren’t on the album, then you start to think what could and should have been on the album. As great as Fools Gold is, it doesn’t make sense on the album. For all the dance influences they had that was epitomised in Fools Gold, The Stone Roses is fundamentally a retro inspired album, so it makes more sense to have the likes of Mersey Paradise, Standing Here and What The World Is Waiting For on it instead. Fools Gold should have been the template for the second album. What a masterpiece that tune is and what a missed opportunity that they never capitalised on that dancey baggy, groove based swagger. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 30, 2019 21:43:11 GMT -5
I'd actually agree with you on that. Bye Bye Badman is the one that gets a pass, though, with its ties to the album cover and talking about the French protests that give the lemon on the cover its significance (protesters using it to neutralize the effect of tear gas). It's a shame that What the World is Waiting For was left on the side line while a (literally) backward version of Waterfall and a Her Majesty knock-off were put on the album. When you hear the alternative singles and b-sides that weren’t on the album, then you start to think what could and should have been on the album. As great as Fools Gold is, it doesn’t make sense on the album. For all the dance influences they had that was epitomised in Fools Gold, The Stone Roses is fundamentally a retro inspired album, so it makes more sense to have the likes of Mersey Paradise, Standing Here and What The World Is Waiting For on it instead. Fools Gold should have been the template for the second album. What a masterpiece that tune is and what a missed opportunity that they never capitalised on that dancey baggy, groove based swagger. It was literally............fools gold. |
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Post by glider on Dec 1, 2019 1:39:23 GMT -5
I'd actually agree with you on that. Bye Bye Badman is the one that gets a pass, though, with its ties to the album cover and talking about the French protests that give the lemon on the cover its significance (protesters using it to neutralize the effect of tear gas). It's a shame that What the World is Waiting For was left on the side line while a (literally) backward version of Waterfall and a Her Majesty knock-off were put on the album. When you hear the alternative singles and b-sides that weren’t on the album, then you start to think what could and should have been on the album. As great as Fools Gold is, it doesn’t make sense on the album. For all the dance influences they had that was epitomised in Fools Gold, The Stone Roses is fundamentally a retro inspired album, so it makes more sense to have the likes of Mersey Paradise, Standing Here and What The World Is Waiting For on it instead. Fools Gold should have been the template for the second album. What a masterpiece that tune is and what a missed opportunity that they never capitalised on that dancey baggy, groove based swagger. Their original follow up was going to be based on their madchester work, but the Silvertone court dispute completely stopped them from entering a studio for three years. The scene had passed them by and the early stages of Britpop, a dedicated shoegaze scene and grunge from Nirvanamania had already begun when they began work on Second Coming. We would've seen LP2 around late 1991 or early 1992 at the latest if the Silvertone drama never occurred, and the British music scene would've been very different in the 1990s. Similar to if Kurt lived past 1994 and kept grunge prominent in England during the Roses' absence. |
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 1, 2019 10:01:37 GMT -5
I like 2000 man. But ya, they're kinda shit.
KISS are a much better band than Aerosmith.
The Blur and Oasis thing is incredibly close, both are great bands.
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Post by yeayeayeah on Dec 2, 2019 1:39:14 GMT -5
We all have them, no need to explain, just vent your spleen here no matter how controversial or no matter how guilty you feel about it. What are your opinions that seem to start riots? Here’s mine: - Pearl Jam are a much better band than Nirvana
[/b] [li]The Who are shit[/li] Their 60's output is a bit shit but their albums in the early 70s are fantastic[li]Led Zeppelin are shit[/li] . Nope but can understand why people would not like them[li]Coldplay are legit a great band[/li] Yep[li]The last three Arctic Monkeys albums are far far superior to the first three[/li] Big yep[li]Pete Doherty was never talented[/li] Up the Bracket and Shotter's Nation are fantastic albums[li]Kate Tempest is nothing but a middle class indulgence[/li] Don't know[li]Ed Sheeran is Britain’s greatest songwriter since Paul McCartney....... oh okay that one’s a joke.[/li] [/ul] [/quote] |
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Post by Zingbot on Dec 2, 2019 12:08:42 GMT -5
Ticket to ride is a really bad song.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 2, 2019 12:23:44 GMT -5
Outside 2-3 tunes I could never get into The Band. The Weight and Dixie are timeless but I don’t listen to much else.
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Post by funhouse on Dec 2, 2019 13:14:14 GMT -5
Outside 2-3 tunes I could never get into The Band. The Weight and Dixie are timeless but I don’t listen to much else. Damn, I was almost close to post this same opinion. I would add I Shall Be Released from The Last Waltz concert though. |
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Post by jojoww1877 on Dec 7, 2019 3:48:18 GMT -5
Alen 'Reni' Wren is the greatest drummer of all time (in his prime). Thank you, I fully agree. It is kind of my life's work to tell everyone how great Reni is. Shame we probably will never hear him again. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 7:37:14 GMT -5
Let It Be might not be in my Beatles top 50.
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Post by RocketMan on Dec 7, 2019 8:06:20 GMT -5
Thom Yorkes whining ruins a lot of great songs
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