Post by AllOrNothing on Feb 22, 2024 16:56:09 GMT -5
I've been listening to Let It Be a lot in recent months, probably because of the Get Back documentary.
Do you understand the hate around Phil Spector's treatment of the album? The way I see it, especially in the light of the doco and Glyn Johns' original mix, I think he really did the best thing possible with Let It Be, and that the Beatles were really subpar professionally during that period. The biggest band in the world really thought they could get away with half baked songs at that time...
I've been listening to Let It Be a lot in recent months, probably because of the Get Back documentary.
Do you understand the hate around Phil Spector's treatment of the album? The way I see it, especially in the light of the doco and Glyn Johns' original mix, I think he really did the best thing possible with Let It Be, and that the Beatles were really subpar professionally during that period. The biggest band in the world really thought they could get away with half baked songs at that time...
I like Let It Be Spector version. It's a great record and Let It Be Naked is a bit flat compared to it.
I guess the "hate" comes from the fact that it was not a band decision, only Lennon's to work with the producer. Macca was not involved.
Is there really a hate around it ? (apart from Macca ) It's ignored more of. Well, until the Get Back documentary.
I've been listening to Let It Be a lot in recent months, probably because of the Get Back documentary.
Do you understand the hate around Phil Spector's treatment of the album? The way I see it, especially in the light of the doco and Glyn Johns' original mix, I think he really did the best thing possible with Let It Be, and that the Beatles were really subpar professionally during that period. The biggest band in the world really thought they could get away with half baked songs at that time...
I like Let It Be Spector version. It's a great record and Let It Be Naked is a bit flat compared to it.
I guess the "hate" comes from the fact that it was not a band decision, only Lennon's to work with the producer. Macca was not involved.
Is there really a hate around it ? (apart from Macca ) It's ignored more of. Well, until the Get Back documentary.
I've seen quite a lot of people online saying Spector "butchered" the record.
I've been listening to Let It Be a lot in recent months, probably because of the Get Back documentary.
Do you understand the hate around Phil Spector's treatment of the album? The way I see it, especially in the light of the doco and Glyn Johns' original mix, I think he really did the best thing possible with Let It Be, and that the Beatles were really subpar professionally during that period. The biggest band in the world really thought they could get away with half baked songs at that time...
I like Let It Be Spector version. It's a great record and Let It Be Naked is a bit flat compared to it.
I guess the "hate" comes from the fact that it was not a band decision, only Lennon's to work with the producer. Macca was not involved.
Is there really a hate around it ? (apart from Macca ) It's ignored more of. Well, until the Get Back documentary.
So much irony with Let It Be sessions. It was Paul who dragged the other 3 Beatles into that project hot on the heels of the still massive selling white album in the charts. It only came out 2 months prior. Then the sessions prove enormously frustrating for all and Paul loses interest. Then Lennon has to man up and shape this thing at the very end. Spector’s work is fine. Sounds great. He was a great producer at one point.
I guess the people who criticize this record are horrified at the idea that the Beatles worked with another producer than George Martin.
It's also "the break up" album and it was released after the news broke out. Put all that together and that's why people dont like it. Otherwise there's really no reasons. There's some good songs on it and Spector raised the level of the weaker ones.
I guess the people who criticize this record are horrified at the idea that the Beatles worked with another producer than George Martin.
They didn't really work with another producer. All of Spector's additions were long after the initial recording sessions. Abbey Road and the band itself had already been done by then.
I guess the people who criticize this record are horrified at the idea that the Beatles worked with another producer than George Martin.
They didn't really work with another producer. All of Spector's additions were long after the initial recording sessions. Abbey Road and the band itself had already been done by then.
Yes, but it's still "work". It had to be greenlighted by somebody. Its work as in i give you this you bring me back something different.
Harrison was present during the production stage though. But not Lennon
I've been listening to Let It Be a lot in recent months, probably because of the Get Back documentary.
Do you understand the hate around Phil Spector's treatment of the album? The way I see it, especially in the light of the doco and Glyn Johns' original mix, I think he really did the best thing possible with Let It Be, and that the Beatles were really subpar professionally during that period. The biggest band in the world really thought they could get away with half baked songs at that time...
The orchestral additions to The Long and Winding Road and Let It Be were good decisions, but he butchered Across The Universe. I also always thought the original released master was too hissy and grainy, even for 1970. Plastic Ono Band had this issue as well.
They didn't really work with another producer. All of Spector's additions were long after the initial recording sessions. Abbey Road and the band itself had already been done by then.
Yes, but it's still "work". It had to be greenlighted by somebody. Its work as in i give you this you bring me back something different.
Harrison was present during the production stage though. But not Lennon
It was George and John who brought in Spector, because they were already working with him on their solo LPs. What Spector did was similar to Smiley Smile with the Beach Boys - take a bunch of recordings and quickly get them ready for a release. Spector's orchestral sessions were only like a few days or so. Paul had nothing to do with any of this.
Yeah the tapes were handed over to Spector with Lennon and Harrison's approval. Spector's a knob (even before his murderous tendencies came to the fore) but there's not much anyone could have done with those rough tapes. Contrary to belief, McCartney wasn't too fussed initially with them being handed to him, only until he heard the Long & Winding Road did he blow a fuse. Which is understandable as it goes completely 'Disneyfied' whereas George Martin would have kept things tasteful with more restraint. Then again, a Martin treatment might not have worked, apparently it was only lathered in orchestras and choirs to cover up the poor quality of recording. Although hearing Spector's other production efforts, it sounds like an excuse as he's never been an example of tasteful and restrained production. What's puzzled me though is if Paul was so dead against it, why does he still play it live with the kitchen sink treatment that Spector provided...
Ultimately not too bothered by it though, it's still a flawed but fascinating chapter in The Beatles history. The genesis of something good was there before being abandoned for Abbey Road. For all his control freakery over it, Paul still comes out of it the best given he was the only one hellbent on keeping the thing together. He's the main reason The Beatles continued after Epstein's death. Far more productive in songwriting than the others, George had mentally checked out, John was a smackhead who wasn't writing nearly enough and Ringo just went with the flow. Somebody had to take control of it.
I never see it as their final album, it's more of a bonus feature to the band's catalogue.
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While working on my Rubber Soul mix, I stumbled across this:
It's still unbelievable how they were so young and crafting masterpieces this early. Just guys being lads and if you never heard their work before you wouldn't think they'd be considered maestros of the 20th century.
While working on my Rubber Soul mix, I stumbled across this:
It's still unbelievable how they were so young and crafting masterpieces this early. Just guys being lads and if you never heard their work before you wouldn't think they'd be considered maestros of the 20th century.
8/21/02 Detroit Fox theater 6/18/05 Detroit / Meadowbrook 9/30/05 Cleveland / Blossom 2/6/06 Florence 2/7/06 Rome 3/23/06 Indianapolis 3/25/06 Cincinnati 3/26/06 Nashville 11/2/06 STC KOKO 9/7/08 Toronto Vfest 12/13/08 Detroit Palace of AH 12/15/08 London ON 6/18/11 Beady Eye-Chicago 3/31/12 NGHFB-Royal Oak Music Theater 5/31/15 NGHFB-Royal Oak Music Theater 7/12/16 NGHFB-Detroit / Meadowbrook 8/2/17 LG-Chicago 7/6/23 NGHFB-Pine Knob Theater-Detroit
Still shocked they've never released the rooftop concert as its own live album or vinyl. Should have been in the Let It Be box set but I guess they gotta keep some bullets in the chamber for down the road.
Still shocked they've never released the rooftop concert as its own live album or vinyl. Should have been in the Let It Be box set but I guess they gotta keep some bullets in the chamber for down the road.
Still shocked they've never released the rooftop concert as its own live album or vinyl. Should have been in the Let It Be box set but I guess they gotta keep some bullets in the chamber for down the road.
Still shocked they've never released the rooftop concert as its own live album or vinyl. Should have been in the Let It Be box set but I guess they gotta keep some bullets in the chamber for down the road.
Its already out dude. I have the vinyl.
Official? Or bootleg. I’m talking straight official bootleg.
01. The BEATLES 02. Revolver 03. ABBEY ROAD 04. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 05. Help! 06 A Hard Day's Night 07. Let It Be 08. Rubber Soul 09. Please Please Me 10. Beatles For Sale 11. With The Beatles
Updated:
Revolver A Hard Day's Night Abbey Road The Beatles Rubber Soul Help! Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band With The Beatles Please Please Me Let It Be Beatles For Sale
Never truly was an overall Sgt. Pepper enjoyer - but "She's Leaving Home" is a perfect song. If Strawberry Fields was on it, it'd probably be ranked higher.
I wonder why the Beatles felt so compelled to finally release "Now and Then" last November and attach it awkwardly to a Red and Blue compilation reissue. That second part completely cannabalized that on going remaster/reissue project. All the big boy songs from 1962-1965 have now been giving that prime treatment making those eventually reissue seem slightly less special. They can def make up for it with cool outtakes but we shall see. I was looking forward to the Rubber Soul remaster but like 10 of those tracks got reissues last November on the Red album.
I know Peter Jackson is slowly working on the Anthology, cleaning it up and possibly expanding it. Clearly this will prob have the long discussed Anthology 4 comp to go with it. That is where "Now and Then" should have come out with.
Post by ChampagneHypernova on May 25, 2024 8:27:19 GMT -5
Hopefully the new Rubber Soul mix/master will be out later this year. I've been really enjoying the sound quality of the latest releases of Revolver, Abbey Road, Let It Be and White Album.
I woner why the Beatles felt so compelled to finally release "Now and Then" last November and attach it awkwardly to a Red and Blue compilation reissue. That second part completely cannabalized that on going remaster/reissue project. All the big boy songs from 1962-1965 have now been giving that prime treatment making those eventually reissue seem slightly less special. They can def make up for it with cool outtakes but we shall see. I was looking forward to the Rubber Soul remaster but like 10 of those tracks got reissues last November on the Red album.
I know Peter Jackson is slowly working on the Anthology, cleaning it up and possibly expanding it. Clearly this will prob have the long discussed Anthology 4 comp to go with it. That is where "Now and Then" should have come out with.
Now & Then isn't big enough to stand on its own merit so I think they just made an excuse for it by remixing the Red and Blue albums. But if what's billed as 'the last Beatles single' can't stand on its own merit, it suggests an underlying lack of confidence with it I think.
I can't say I'm a fan of it, much prefer the sketchy home demos from Lennon. Not to be all morbid, but it has a fascinating haunting quality to it, more profound as it comes near the end of his life. It's not complete but feels more spontaneous for it too. 'The Beatles' version does nothing for me.
And the video? I echo what I think somebody on here said, that it looks like a sixth form art project gone badly wrong. Awful stuff!
I woner why the Beatles felt so compelled to finally release "Now and Then" last November and attach it awkwardly to a Red and Blue compilation reissue. That second part completely cannabalized that on going remaster/reissue project. All the big boy songs from 1962-1965 have now been giving that prime treatment making those eventually reissue seem slightly less special. They can def make up for it with cool outtakes but we shall see. I was looking forward to the Rubber Soul remaster but like 10 of those tracks got reissues last November on the Red album.
I know Peter Jackson is slowly working on the Anthology, cleaning it up and possibly expanding it. Clearly this will prob have the long discussed Anthology 4 comp to go with it. That is where "Now and Then" should have come out with.
Now & Then isn't big enough to stand on its own merit so I think they just made an excuse for it by remixing the Red and Blue albums. But if what's billed as 'the last Beatles single' can't stand on its own merit, it suggests an underlying lack of confidence with it I think.
I can't say I'm a fan of it, much prefer the sketchy home demos from Lennon. Not to be all morbid, but it has a fascinating haunting quality to it, more profound as it comes near the end of his life. It's not complete but feels more spontaneous for it too. 'The Beatles' version does nothing for me.
And the video? I echo what I think somebody on here said, that it looks like a sixth form art project gone badly wrong. Awful stuff!
For me it’s still the 3rd best of the “new” Beatles songs. Free As A Bird being the best in my opinion. I wish the b-side to Now and Then was the Lennon demo all cleaned up with the AI separation. What a missed opportunity so far.
Now and Then feels like an extreme Frankenstein creation. Lennon vocals from 1977. George guitar from 1994. Paul and Ringo backing harmonies from 2023. Sonically it’s all over the map and feels cluttered.
They should have just waited to release it with Anthology 4 or whenever Peter Jackson is done working on the Anthology doc.
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