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Post by yeayeayeah on Oct 21, 2022 23:59:04 GMT -5
Love the new Got To Get You Into My Life. I wish they kept the guitars!
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 22, 2022 2:41:39 GMT -5
Well the new Revolver boxset leaked. Good morning and thank you 🍻 |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 22, 2022 4:22:05 GMT -5
Fucking hell, they ruined Yellow Sumbarine 🤣 It is great song actually.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Oct 22, 2022 7:13:54 GMT -5
Love the new Got To Get You Into My Life. I wish they kept the guitars! Their riffs were always mega, Paperback Writer is another glorious piece of guitar business, I have come to love that one. Also Lennons Bird Can sing and She Said, All of those versions kick ass. That's before you get to Macca s astonishing bass and guitar solo on Taxman, 'outrageous' doesn't do it justice. No wonder everyone loves this LP |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Oct 22, 2022 13:41:59 GMT -5
Here's a bit of insight into the remixing process behind the Revolver reissue, from Kenneth Womack no less, who wrote the brilliant book Solid State about the making of Abbey Road. www.salon.com/2022/09/15/remixed-revolver-to-reveal-new-layers-of-the-beatles-extraordinary-musical-powers/Discussing the technology from Peter Jackson, it's fascinating how new technology is able to identify and extrapolate separate sounds and instruments, providing the ability to enhance and remaster those parts. I've read previously that remixing the first Beatles records would be much more difficult due to the limited number of tracks they were using to record (was it two or four tracks for any audiophiles here?). With the abilities to separate all instruments, technology of which will only improve, surely it paves the way for all Beatles albums to be given the remix treatment they all badly need. The remixing of the entire back catalogue is something that desperately needs to happen. I can't listen to The Beatles out and about with the rotten stereo mixes and it's disjointed panning unless it's the mono mixes on my old iPod that were re-released in 2009 (that aren't even available separately or for streaming). It's fine on the stereo in your front room but that limits the time to listen to them. Again, a bizarre decision for the massively out of touch management to remaster these pointless mixes in 2009. Hey you seem to know what you’re talking about so could you help me understand / make a recommendation: I am a casual Beatles fan and have never owned any of their records. Of course I know the hits from just living in this world, but I now I want to own all their catalog. Where do I start??? Looking at iTunes and scanning the internet, there’s all kinds of references to the mono versions, the stereo versions, re-issues and remasters, and then very recent 2021 or 2022 versions! Are they redoing all the albums — and is it a remaster or a remix? Would love to hear the songs as they were intended but does that mean I have to go Mono? So before I go blow $150 on albums, which ones do I buy?? Thanks for any guidance you can give! Cheers |
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Post by fabulousbakers on Oct 22, 2022 15:02:45 GMT -5
...I am a casual Beatles fan and have never owned any of their records. Of course I know the hits from just living in this world, but I now I want to own all their catalog. Where do I start??? Looking at iTunes and scanning the internet, there’s all kinds of references to the mono versions, the stereo versions, re-issues and remasters, and then very recent 2021 or 2022 versions! Are they redoing all the albums — and is it a remaster or a remix? Would love to hear the songs as they were intended but does that mean I have to go Mono? So before I go blow $150 on albums, which ones do I buy?? Thanks for any guidance you can give! Cheers You weren't directly asking me so apologies for jumping in if it's unwelcome. I'm simplifying but here goes. -Most of the Beatles original UK albums were released in mono and stereo back in the 1960s. -The Beatles themselves spent more time approving the mono mixes of these albums and the stereo mixes were often rush jobs done late in the day. -The 1960s mono albums are not just mono versions of the stereo mixes, there are often minor (some would even say major) differences between the stereo and the mono mixes. Sound effects, track speed and fade outs can often be different. -The stereo mixes on the early albums have a "lopsided" separation that sounds odd today as generally some instruments are just in the left hand channel and others just in the right. -The albums were later reissued on CD in the 1980s (some were mono and some were stereo). Most of the and non-album tracks were compiled onto two albums called PAST MASTERS 1 and 2. -The albums were remastered (not remixed) on CD again in 2009. The stereo CDs were the default mixes used but there is a box set called The Beatles In Mono which gathers together the mono albums. -Deluxe editions of REVOLVER, SGT PEPPER, THE WHITE ALBUM, LET IT BE and ABBEY ROAD were released starting in 2017. These include stereo REMIXES of the albums that attempt to remove the original annoying lopsided stereo effect. If the album was also originally released in mono as well (not all were) then the mono mix is included in the box set either as a CD or on a blu-ray disc. There's usually at least two discs of outtakes and rarities included and some nice hardback books. If the deluxe set is too pricey, I think there are also 2CD sets that just feature the remixed stereo album and maybe a disc of outtake highlights. If you don't know where to start I'd suggest going with the deluxe reissue of THE WHITE ALBUM. There's heaps of outtakes on there and it will give you some idea of what they've been doing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles:_50th_Anniversary_Edition |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Oct 22, 2022 17:18:03 GMT -5
...I am a casual Beatles fan and have never owned any of their records. Of course I know the hits from just living in this world, but I now I want to own all their catalog. Where do I start??? Looking at iTunes and scanning the internet, there’s all kinds of references to the mono versions, the stereo versions, re-issues and remasters, and then very recent 2021 or 2022 versions! Are they redoing all the albums — and is it a remaster or a remix? Would love to hear the songs as they were intended but does that mean I have to go Mono? So before I go blow $150 on albums, which ones do I buy?? Thanks for any guidance you can give! Cheers You weren't directly asking me so apologies for jumping in if it's unwelcome. I'm simplifying but here goes. -Most of the Beatles original UK albums were released in mono and stereo back in the 1960s. -The Beatles themselves spent more time approving the mono mixes of these albums and the stereo mixes were often rush jobs done late in the day. -The 1960s mono albums are not just mono versions of the stereo mixes, there are often minor (some would even say major) differences between the stereo and the mono mixes. Sound effects, track speed and fade outs can often be different. -The stereo mixes on the early albums have a "lopsided" separation that sounds odd today as generally some instruments are just in the left hand channel and others just in the right. -The albums were later reissued on CD in the 1980s (some were mono and some were stereo). Most of the and non-album tracks were compiled onto two albums called PAST MASTERS 1 and 2. -The albums were remastered (not remixed) on CD again in 2009. The stereo CDs were the default mixes used but there is a box set called The Beatles In Mono which gathers together the mono albums. -Deluxe editions of REVOLVER, SGT PEPPER, THE WHITE ALBUM, LET IT BE and ABBEY ROAD were released starting in 2017. These include stereo REMIXES of the albums that attempt to remove the original annoying lopsided stereo effect. If the album was also originally released in mono as well (not all were) then the mono mix is included in the box set either as a CD or on a blu-ray disc. There's usually at least two discs of outtakes and rarities included and some nice hardback books. If the deluxe set is too pricey, I think there are also 2CD sets that just feature the remixed stereo album and maybe a disc of outtake highlights. If you don't know where to start I'd suggest going with the deluxe reissue of THE WHITE ALBUM. There's heaps of outtakes on there and it will give you some idea of what they've been doing. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles:_50th_Anniversary_EditionThis is super helpful. Please do jump in anytime  Thanks! |
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Post by Teotihuacan on Oct 23, 2022 4:33:27 GMT -5
No one thought of Yellow submarine as a Lennon led song because it was so happy maybe, yet (after 50 plus years) the reissue has evidence he started it, albeit in his melancholy minor key style, largely developed it, and McCartney seems firmly in the background of the demo with John in the driving seat.
Maybe Macca took over in the studio, it became more 'his' number, then later Lennon turning more self consciously "serious", disowning his catchier confections negelcted to take credit and was a bit ashamed of it. Obviously nothing to be ashamed of on Yellow.., it's no one's favourite Beatles track though, I'd imagine.
Over the 50 years since the release it makes you wonder what else we don't know, and will never know, about songwriting credits. There's a similarity in this relevation and what we found out from the Get Back sessions film outtakes: Yes they were frequently miserable, the sessions meandered and they all took serious umbrage with each other at different points, but it wasn't quite the blood bath that it was always made out to be by the historians (and to be fair The Beatles own memories of the tumultuous period).
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Post by andymorris on Oct 23, 2022 5:35:17 GMT -5
Well the new Revolver boxset leaked. GPS coordinates of said "location" ? First few snippets sounded huge. Wasnt too excited by the let it be on obviously since there wasnt much to do. But this one sounds impressive, like the white album one |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 23, 2022 7:43:54 GMT -5
Well the new Revolver boxset leaked. GPS coordinates of said "location" ? First few snippets sounded huge. Wasnt too excited by the let it be on obviously since there wasnt much to do. But this one sounds impressive, like the white album one That box set had so much potential. Not sure why they had to feed us all the known demos and outtakes from Let It Be legend. Do we really need endless versions of Get Back, Don’t Let Me Down, God A Feeling, etc? There were loads and loads of songs in that doc that have never been released on an album or streaming. They even put Billy Preston singing a track on the box set. Such as……. Watching Rainbows Commonwealth My Imagination Suzy Parker The Palace of the King of the Birds (Ended episode 1) Blues Jam (Ended episode 2) Madman Get Back (John lead vocals) Across The Universe (full band) Mean Mr. Mustard (4 min version, John on organ) Isn’t It A Pity I’d have liked material like this released. Not sure why they held it back. There isn’t gonna be an Anthology 4 and Let It Be was the time to do it. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 23, 2022 8:22:50 GMT -5
GPS coordinates of said "location" ? First few snippets sounded huge. Wasnt too excited by the let it be on obviously since there wasnt much to do. But this one sounds impressive, like the white album one That box set had so much potential. Not sure why they had to feed us all the known demos and outtakes from Let It Be legend. Do we really need endless versions of Get Back, Don’t Let Me Down, God A Feeling, etc? There were loads and loads of songs in that doc that have never been released on an album or streaming. They even put Billy Preston singing a track on the box set. Such as……. Watching Rainbows Commonwealth My Imagination Suzy Parker The Palace of the King of the Birds (Ended episode 1) Blues Jam (Ended episode 2) Madman Get Back (John lead vocals) Across The Universe (full band) Mean Mr. Mustard (4 min version, John on organ) Isn’t It A Pity I’d have liked material like this released. Not sure why they held it back. There isn’t gonna be an Anthology 4 and Let It Be was the time to do it. Well it's obvious i'd say : they are keepin it for future releases. The strategy has been going on since the 90s and the anthology. Who knew that Lennon recording of Yellow submarine existed ? Who knows what's still in the vault. It's a cow that can be milked for another two decades easy. I guess for Let It Be they thought the documentary would be the main event, and it didn't need anything else. GPS directions for the box set ? (i only heard 4 songs so far)   |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 23, 2022 9:12:10 GMT -5
Check your private messages 😁
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 23, 2022 10:17:29 GMT -5
That box set had so much potential. Not sure why they had to feed us all the known demos and outtakes from Let It Be legend. Do we really need endless versions of Get Back, Don’t Let Me Down, God A Feeling, etc? There were loads and loads of songs in that doc that have never been released on an album or streaming. They even put Billy Preston singing a track on the box set. Such as……. Watching Rainbows Commonwealth My Imagination Suzy Parker The Palace of the King of the Birds (Ended episode 1) Blues Jam (Ended episode 2) Madman Get Back (John lead vocals) Across The Universe (full band) Mean Mr. Mustard (4 min version, John on organ) Isn’t It A Pity I’d have liked material like this released. Not sure why they held it back. There isn’t gonna be an Anthology 4 and Let It Be was the time to do it. Well it's obvious i'd say : they are keepin it for future releases. The strategy has been going on since the 90s and the anthology. Who knew that Lennon recording of Yellow submarine existed ? Who knows what's still in the vault. It's a cow that can be milked for another two decades easy. I guess for Let It Be they thought the documentary would be the main event, and it didn't need anything else. GPS directions for the box set ? (i only heard 4 songs so far) I totally get that but that huge Beatlemania fan base is between 65-85 years old. What are they waiting for? |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 23, 2022 10:44:59 GMT -5
I totally get that but that huge Beatlemania fan base is between 65-85 years old. What are they waiting for? I dont know, from i read here and there most of those "early" fans dont want anything to do with those re-releases, they think the "real and original" recordings shouldn't be touched. I guess those releases are more for us, from 30 to 50s people. People who didn't live to see the Beatles yet are die hard fans. We're more ok with technology and understand why those recording needed a brush. And why it can bring the original recording to a new level, as they were meant to sound. People in their 60s or 70s wouldn't probably understand that. At least some of them, maybe not all of them. They grew up with crappy vinyls, so original recordings or whatever they had at the time are good enough. At least that's what some of them are saying in reaction to the release. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 28, 2022 1:38:14 GMT -5
Only started to listen this morning.
OMG. So clear. OMG MGO OGM MGO OOOOOGMMMM
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Post by andymorris on Oct 28, 2022 1:48:48 GMT -5
Any beatle fans who dismiss those releases because they are "not the real" beatles is a fool tbh.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 28, 2022 2:04:43 GMT -5
Now that i heard the "guitar" version of Got to get you into my life, i find the original version a bit flat. Damn. That was one of my fav beatle song. Also Rain always felt weird, but there's the explanation, it was slowed down. The original speed sounds like full cocaine |
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Post by Rolo on Oct 30, 2022 7:20:46 GMT -5
She Said She Said is so underrated. Would love Liam to cover this one day, perfect song for him to snarl at.
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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 1, 2022 11:08:47 GMT -5
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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 1, 2022 11:13:03 GMT -5
Fucking hell, was that yawn at 2:00 here before 🤣
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Post by morning_rain on Nov 2, 2022 4:49:37 GMT -5
Love these music videos they're doing for the reissues. The one for Glass Onion was the best one. |
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Post by yeayeayeah on Nov 9, 2022 0:42:10 GMT -5
Number 2 in the UK charts. Tay Tay still no'1
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Post by andymorris on Nov 19, 2022 9:25:20 GMT -5
Anyone listened to last year’s remix of the Harrison album all things must pass ?
Only listening to it now and it sounds weird sometimes. They used the same technique as the Beatles team but it sounds weird sometimes, like it’s unmixed or rough mixes.
They took a lot of reverb out and pushed George voice upfront. It sounds very bassy when the original mix was more trebly. Apparently that was a late wish from drying George.
But it sounds like a completely different record.
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Post by matt on Nov 19, 2022 11:21:00 GMT -5
Anyone listened to last year’s remix of the Harrison album all things must pass ? Only listening to it now and it sounds weird sometimes. They used the same technique as the Beatles team but it sounds weird sometimes, like it’s unmixed or rough mixes. They took a lot of reverb out and pushed George voice upfront. It sounds very bassy when the original mix was more trebly. Apparently that was a late wish from drying George. But it sounds like a completely different record. I've no problem with remixing the Beatles back catalogue as its not an issue with the production, but just with the mixes. Stereo was in its infancy back then and you can tell as they were very shoddy, skewed mixes. The band always said it was just a mere afterthought so it is essential we get proper stereo mixes. But I don't agree with remixing All Things Must Pass. Stereo was developed well enough when that record was released to negate any issues with the mixes. The original stereo version sounded great. This remix is basically an admission that its a failure of production. It neuters much of the Phil Spector wall of sound production which I really like. It's a chaotic sound at times but awesome too and I think the remixes take a lot of the energy from it. |
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Post by andymorris on Nov 20, 2022 1:46:41 GMT -5
Anyone listened to last year’s remix of the Harrison album all things must pass ? Only listening to it now and it sounds weird sometimes. They used the same technique as the Beatles team but it sounds weird sometimes, like it’s unmixed or rough mixes. They took a lot of reverb out and pushed George voice upfront. It sounds very bassy when the original mix was more trebly. Apparently that was a late wish from drying George. But it sounds like a completely different record. I've no problem with remixing the Beatles back catalogue as its not an issue with the production, but just with the mixes. Stereo was in its infancy back then and you can tell as they were very shoddy, skewed mixes. The band always said it was just a mere afterthought so it is essential we get proper stereo mixes. But I don't agree with remixing All Things Must Pass. Stereo was developed well enough when that record was released to negate any issues with the mixes. The original stereo version sounded great. This remix is basically an admission that its a failure of production. It neuters much of the Phil Spector wall of sound production which I really like. It's a chaotic sound at times but awesome too and I think the remixes take a lot of the energy from it. Yeah the Beatles is an entirely different matter. They didn't touch the recordings. With this one it's really different, they removed Spector's production, apparently. On tracks like Wah wah it completely takes the grittiness of the recording off. I agree that sometimes it takes the energy off too. I still enjoy it though for what it is, and you can hear new bits pushed upfront. And on songs that are less rock n roll, it's very clean and pristine (more than it already was) My only concern is that sometimes it really feels like an unmixed records. With parts appearing from nowhere with no logic and real problem with levels. The guitars are also completely muted sometimes (on wah wah, it's wtf where are they). Feels kinda rushed tbh. |
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