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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 5, 2021 20:57:05 GMT -5
But as the above says, Paul's a grafter so is going to become tedious and overbearing. His perfectionism, attention to detail and craftsmanship is what set him apart from Lennon and Harrison. Lennon and Harrison certainly more raw, but The Beatles wouldn't have been the lush sophisticated pop band without McCartney. Despite misgivings towards his attitude in some places, he was the one who held it all together and eeked the last bits of greatness from the band. Yeah, it's an eternal riddle: nobody likes being controlled by a control freak but at the same time they get things done. Paul was on such a creative high right then and so driven to keep the Beatles going he was in a completely different headspace than the others. But part of what also seemed to have been happening was that the others were moving on into their own realms and Paul wasn't ready for that yet. That scene where he says "And then there were two" to Ringo and starts to cry ... Most successful bands seem to have at least one control freak (and sometimes 4), but it seems there are only two ways to deal with it over the long-term: just give in and let one person lead for the sake of peace (rarely lasts) or do what say The Rolling Stones and The Who have done: do your separate stuff and then come back together for the occasional tour or albums for the sake of the larger thing.. But I don’t think the Beatles ever felt they could do that because it had become such a juggernaut that it was inescapable for them. It was all Beatles or no Beatles. But one thing I really felt watching John and Macca in Get Back is that there was so much love between them and so much natural creative chemistry, I think they would have done something together again had John lived. Not a Beatles reunion per se, but written and/or performed together on occasion. One can worry that would have tarnished the legacy -- it certainly would all be somewhat different had Lennon lived past 40 -- but then again something amazing might have come of it. They were capable of bringing out the best in one another/ |
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 6, 2021 4:59:59 GMT -5
Yes, it seems that Noel meant that he doesn't like Abbey Road.
And when you think about it, Let It Be is the most similar album to Oasis, maybe to WTSMG.
Album full of pop rock songs written by great songwriters, some fillers, some great songs, few classics, there is no strong idea behind it, it is not concept album or anything, songs are not perfectly recorded, production is not that great.
Oasis could never record stuff like Abbey Road medley, White Album is mix of everything, most of the stuff that doesn't sound like Oasis at all and Oasis were never capable of doing that, let's not even talk about Sgt.Pepper, Revolver and Rubber Soul. Albums before that are like from different century and doesn't have anything in common with Beatles later albums, with Oasis even less.
So, yes, I can see why Noel loves Let It Be. Beatles matured, rock and roll matured, it more similar to Oasis sound, great and good songs just recorded without perfect production, without any other sounds, just bass, guitar, drums, piano, Hammond organ and string and brass instruments, no fancy studio tricks...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 6, 2021 8:46:36 GMT -5
Yes, it seems that Noel meant that he doesn't like Abbey Road. And when you think about it, Let It Be is the most similar album to Oasis, maybe to WTSMG. Album full of pop rock songs written by great songwriters, some fillers, some great songs, few classics, there is no strong idea behind it, it is not concept album or anything, songs are not perfectly recorded, production is not that great. Oasis could never record stuff like Abbey Road medley, White Album is mix of everything, most of the stuff that doesn't sound like Oasis at all and Oasis were never capable of doing that, let's not even talk about Sgt.Pepper, Revolver and Rubber Soul. Albums before that are like from different century and doesn't have anything in common with Beatles later albums, with Oasis even less. So, yes, I can see why Noel loves Let It Be. Beatles matured, rock and roll matured, it more similar to Oasis sound, great and good songs just recorded without perfect production, without any other sounds, just bass, guitar, drums, piano, Hammond organ and string and brass instruments, no fancy studio tricks... Yeah……..the “Let It Be” album vibe definitely has the feel of Oasis 2002-2008. Good to great songs without good production to follow it. Loose. Rocky. Raw at times. Just like Let It Be. Now I’m not saying any of those Oasis album come anywhere near Let It Be, it’s more a vibe and feel than anything else. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 6, 2021 8:47:52 GMT -5
Wtf is Noel saying, is he high :-) This is one my favourite albums I don't like Let It Be Hahaha. I thought maybe he meant to say he didn't like Abbey Road but those wrong words came out as they sometimes can ... He definitely meant Abbey Road. He later said the song “Let It Be” hits him hard emotionally. Just a simple slip of the tongue. He’s an old man now!!! Almost double the age of The Beatles during this period. |
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Post by matt on Dec 6, 2021 9:16:00 GMT -5
But as the above says, Paul's a grafter so is going to become tedious and overbearing. His perfectionism, attention to detail and craftsmanship is what set him apart from Lennon and Harrison. Lennon and Harrison certainly more raw, but The Beatles wouldn't have been the lush sophisticated pop band without McCartney. Despite misgivings towards his attitude in some places, he was the one who held it all together and eeked the last bits of greatness from the band. Yeah, it's an eternal riddle: nobody likes being controlled by a control freak but at the same time they get things done. Paul was on such a creative high right then and so driven to keep the Beatles going he was in a completely different headspace than the others. But part of what also seemed to have been happening was that the others were moving on into their own realms and Paul wasn't ready for that yet. That scene where he says "And then there were two" to Ringo and starts to cry ... Most successful bands seem to have at least one control freak (and sometimes 4), but it seems there are only two ways to deal with it over the long-term: just give in and let one person lead for the sake of peace (rarely lasts) or do what say The Rolling Stones and The Who have done: do your separate stuff and then come back together for the occasional tour or albums for the sake of the larger thing.. But I don’t think the Beatles ever felt they could do that because it had become such a juggernaut that it was inescapable for them. It was all Beatles or no Beatles. But one thing I really felt watching John and Macca in Get Back is that there was so much love between them and so much natural creative chemistry, I think they would have done something together again had John lived. Not a Beatles reunion per se, but written and/or performed together on occasion. One can worry that would have tarnished the legacy -- it certainly would all be somewhat different had Lennon lived past 40 -- but then again something amazing might have come of it. They were capable of bringing out the best in one another/ A good point about him being the one Beatle who really wanted them to stay together. That control freakery of the band might stem from an insecurity, he’s raging against the dying of the light and won’t let go. As bizarre as it sounds today, he didn’t want to be a solo artist. When you put it like you said above, it’s no wonder Paul was the Beatle who struggled most during and after the split. He basically became an alcoholic, suffering depression and not getting up throughout the day. He was lost while George and John spread their wings solo wise. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 6, 2021 9:48:58 GMT -5
Yeah, it's an eternal riddle: nobody likes being controlled by a control freak but at the same time they get things done. Paul was on such a creative high right then and so driven to keep the Beatles going he was in a completely different headspace than the others. But part of what also seemed to have been happening was that the others were moving on into their own realms and Paul wasn't ready for that yet. That scene where he says "And then there were two" to Ringo and starts to cry ... Most successful bands seem to have at least one control freak (and sometimes 4), but it seems there are only two ways to deal with it over the long-term: just give in and let one person lead for the sake of peace (rarely lasts) or do what say The Rolling Stones and The Who have done: do your separate stuff and then come back together for the occasional tour or albums for the sake of the larger thing.. But I don’t think the Beatles ever felt they could do that because it had become such a juggernaut that it was inescapable for them. It was all Beatles or no Beatles. But one thing I really felt watching John and Macca in Get Back is that there was so much love between them and so much natural creative chemistry, I think they would have done something together again had John lived. Not a Beatles reunion per se, but written and/or performed together on occasion. One can worry that would have tarnished the legacy -- it certainly would all be somewhat different had Lennon lived past 40 -- but then again something amazing might have come of it. They were capable of bringing out the best in one another/ A good point about him being the one Beatle who really wanted them to stay together. That control freakery of the band might stem from an insecurity, he’s raging against the dying of the light and won’t let go. As bizarre as it sounds today, he didn’t want to be a solo artist. When you put it like you said above, it’s no wonder Paul was the Beatle who struggled most during and after the split. He basically became an alcoholic, suffering depression and not getting up throughout the day. He was lost while George and John spread their wings solo wise. John often said, and I’m sure George did too, that being a Beatle was just a certain phase of his life cycle. Being in that happened opened up incredible opportunities for them across all walks of life that John was definitely going to exploit. As did George and Ringo with his movies. Nobody said you have to be a Beatle forever. It was just a vehicle for them to go anywhere. Outside of Johns first 2 albums and a handful of tracks here and there, I don’t listen to much of his post 1972. Those albums were so mixed and sound horrible. Shocked at how bad mid 70s production could be. Same applies to George. Love his debut, well the first 2 of 3 LPs and some of his sophomore album. Outside of that I don’t really listen to a ton of solo George. Both guys had their great solo moments at the very very start. Don’t think I’ve ever listened to a Ringo album top to bottom. I like a handful of his solo stuff: It don’t come easy, photograph, goodnight Vienna. Naturally Paul had a huge solo career. Tons of hits but it was all very very safe. It’s tough for me to go top to bottom with any Paul album because his music is like pure sugar. Too much of it is bad. I need variety in my albums. |
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Post by Bellboy on Dec 6, 2021 10:01:38 GMT -5
I definitely listened to Let It Be in a different light afterwards. Amazing to think that all happened in just under a month in the life of!
All of them were on a creative high then and thank the lord for Abbey Road! Still alot of love in the room between them though it was just the gel was wearing off between them then.
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Post by The Escapist on Dec 6, 2021 13:14:47 GMT -5
Back in the U.S.S.R. doesn't get talked about enough for being such a fucking banger.
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 6, 2021 14:21:30 GMT -5
Probably because it is shit xD
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 7, 2021 1:35:05 GMT -5
A good point about him being the one Beatle who really wanted them to stay together. That control freakery of the band might stem from an insecurity, he’s raging against the dying of the light and won’t let go. As bizarre as it sounds today, he didn’t want to be a solo artist. When you put it like you said above, it’s no wonder Paul was the Beatle who struggled most during and after the split. He basically became an alcoholic, suffering depression and not getting up throughout the day. He was lost while George and John spread their wings solo wise. John often said, and I’m sure George did too, that being a Beatle was just a certain phase of his life cycle. Being in that happened opened up incredible opportunities for them across all walks of life that John was definitely going to exploit. As did George and Ringo with his movies. Nobody said you have to be a Beatle forever. It was just a vehicle for them to go anywhere. Outside of Johns first 2 albums and a handful of tracks here and there, I don’t listen to much of his post 1972. Those albums were so mixed and sound horrible. Shocked at how bad mid 70s production could be. Same applies to George. Love his debut, well the first 2 of 3 LPs and some of his sophomore album. Outside of that I don’t really listen to a ton of solo George. Both guys had their great solo moments at the very very start. Don’t think I’ve ever listened to a Ringo album top to bottom. I like a handful of his solo stuff: It don’t come easy, photograph, goodnight Vienna. Naturally Paul had a huge solo career. Tons of hits but it was all very very safe. It’s tough for me to go top to bottom with any Paul album because his music is like pure sugar. Too much of it is bad. I need variety in my albums. McCartney safe? The man explored basically every genre. |
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Post by Parka Flames on Dec 7, 2021 9:37:08 GMT -5
Back in the U.S.S.R. doesn't get talked about enough for being such a fucking banger. And led to one of my favourite Beatles covers: |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 7, 2021 13:52:11 GMT -5
John often said, and I’m sure George did too, that being a Beatle was just a certain phase of his life cycle. Being in that happened opened up incredible opportunities for them across all walks of life that John was definitely going to exploit. As did George and Ringo with his movies. Nobody said you have to be a Beatle forever. It was just a vehicle for them to go anywhere. Outside of Johns first 2 albums and a handful of tracks here and there, I don’t listen to much of his post 1972. Those albums were so mixed and sound horrible. Shocked at how bad mid 70s production could be. Same applies to George. Love his debut, well the first 2 of 3 LPs and some of his sophomore album. Outside of that I don’t really listen to a ton of solo George. Both guys had their great solo moments at the very very start. Don’t think I’ve ever listened to a Ringo album top to bottom. I like a handful of his solo stuff: It don’t come easy, photograph, goodnight Vienna. Naturally Paul had a huge solo career. Tons of hits but it was all very very safe. It’s tough for me to go top to bottom with any Paul album because his music is like pure sugar. Too much of it is bad. I need variety in my albums. McCartney safe? The man explored basically every genre. Yeah safe. His songs are all mostly positive and upbeat. This isn't a genre thing. |
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Post by bt95 on Dec 7, 2021 17:01:54 GMT -5
Just finished the doc. Loved it. Just brilliant to watch.
And quite honestly looked like it could have been recorded yesterday.
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Post by bt95 on Dec 7, 2021 17:05:24 GMT -5
Yeah, it's an eternal riddle: nobody likes being controlled by a control freak but at the same time they get things done. Paul was on such a creative high right then and so driven to keep the Beatles going he was in a completely different headspace than the others. But part of what also seemed to have been happening was that the others were moving on into their own realms and Paul wasn't ready for that yet. That scene where he says "And then there were two" to Ringo and starts to cry ... Most successful bands seem to have at least one control freak (and sometimes 4), but it seems there are only two ways to deal with it over the long-term: just give in and let one person lead for the sake of peace (rarely lasts) or do what say The Rolling Stones and The Who have done: do your separate stuff and then come back together for the occasional tour or albums for the sake of the larger thing.. But I don’t think the Beatles ever felt they could do that because it had become such a juggernaut that it was inescapable for them. It was all Beatles or no Beatles. But one thing I really felt watching John and Macca in Get Back is that there was so much love between them and so much natural creative chemistry, I think they would have done something together again had John lived. Not a Beatles reunion per se, but written and/or performed together on occasion. One can worry that would have tarnished the legacy -- it certainly would all be somewhat different had Lennon lived past 40 -- but then again something amazing might have come of it. They were capable of bringing out the best in one another/ A good point about him being the one Beatle who really wanted them to stay together. That control freakery of the band might stem from an insecurity, he’s raging against the dying of the light and won’t let go. As bizarre as it sounds today, he didn’t want to be a solo artist. When you put it like you said above, it’s no wonder Paul was the Beatle who struggled most during and after the split. He basically became an alcoholic, suffering depression and not getting up throughout the day. He was lost while George and John spread their wings solo wise. I found it interesting how, tbf though, Macca always looked to Lennon for guidance. That scene in the first episode where he goes (I'm paraphrasing a bit): "you were always the leader" to John. |
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Post by matt on Dec 7, 2021 17:52:56 GMT -5
A good point about him being the one Beatle who really wanted them to stay together. That control freakery of the band might stem from an insecurity, he’s raging against the dying of the light and won’t let go. As bizarre as it sounds today, he didn’t want to be a solo artist. When you put it like you said above, it’s no wonder Paul was the Beatle who struggled most during and after the split. He basically became an alcoholic, suffering depression and not getting up throughout the day. He was lost while George and John spread their wings solo wise. I found it interesting how, tbf though, Macca always looked to Lennon for guidance. That scene in the first episode where he goes (I'm paraphrasing a bit): "you were always the leader" to John. It's all those subtle moments that are so significant isn't it. Underneath all the bitterness and jealousy, they still both looked up to each other. Even in their bitterest moments, you can always find one revealing quote. Lennon said after the split that he'd only ever write with Yoko and Paul, saying 'that's a pretty damn good pair'. Given how much he loved Yoko, that's a statement right there. And you have the massively underrated Dear Friend from Paul (suspect because it was on the mediocre Wild Life) - you can really hear the pain, resignation and regret from Paul on this. Things like this are sadder to listen with hindsight given what happened to John and the fact that while they became amicable at times towards the end, they never fully reconciled the relationship of old. Like lovers scorned, it turned nasty at times but it's the flip side to such admiration and devotion towards each other. |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 7, 2021 19:42:56 GMT -5
It's all those subtle moments that are so significant isn't it. Underneath all the bitterness and jealousy, they still both looked up to each other. Even in their bitterest moments, you can always find one revealing quote. Lennon said after the split that he'd only ever write with Yoko and Paul, saying 'that's a pretty good damn pair'. Given how much he loved Yoko, that's a statement right there. And you have the massively underrated Dear Friend from Paul (suspect because it was on the mediocre Wild Life) - you can really hear the pain, resignation and regret from Paul on this. Things like this are sadder to listen with hindsight given what happened to John and the fact that while they became amicable at times towards the end, they never fully reconciled the relationship of old. Like lovers scorned, it turned nasty at times but it's the flip side to such admiration and devotion towards each other. Great post. |
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Post by Rolo on Dec 8, 2021 13:53:31 GMT -5
What a song.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 9, 2021 17:40:25 GMT -5
Was just realizing on the anniversary of John's death this week that he has now been dead longer than he lived. So strange.
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Post by beentherenow on Dec 10, 2021 1:44:46 GMT -5
So after the recent documentary I’ve been listening to Let It Be a lot and my conclusion is my favourite version is Let It Be Naked,
I love how the new remaster sounds and actually didn’t completely hate what Spector did with the original however my decision isn’t actually based solely on the sound. The track listing flows so much better on Naked; starting with Get Back and ending on Let It Be is an absolute no brainier so I never understood the original ending on Get Back also the inclusion of Don’t Let Me Down is a massive plus.
Still not a vintage Beatles album but now we have much more context still a remarkable achievement in the circumstances
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Post by Parka Flames on Dec 10, 2021 5:34:39 GMT -5
Finally got around to watching part 3 last night. That last hour or so is phenomenal.
Favourite moments from the series are:
"Everybody's got a hard on... except for me and my monkey!"
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John messing up the lyrics on Don't Let Me Down... then looking at Paul before the next line and them both singing the same lyric in harmony. That's such a unique and real moment that shows how close they were as people and performers.
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Post by bt95 on Dec 12, 2021 17:31:26 GMT -5
Was just realizing on the anniversary of John's death this week that he has now been dead longer than he lived. So strange. Transcends time, as does his music, and The Beatles' music. What struck me watching Get Back was how it could all have been done last week. From their style, to the music, to their conversations... It's so, so special. What a special, significant but short moment in time. Four lads from Liverpool have had arguably the greatest cultural impacts the world has ever known. And that's what makes it so funny when all the moaners are trying to get them down from the roof. They didn't realise how lucky they were! |
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Post by girllikeabomb on Dec 12, 2021 17:49:36 GMT -5
Was just realizing on the anniversary of John's death this week that he has now been dead longer than he lived. So strange. Transcends time, as does his music, and The Beatles' music. What struck me watching Get Back was how it could all have been done last week. From their style, to the music, to their conversations... It's so, so special. What a special, significant but short moment in time. Four lads from Liverpool have had arguably the greatest cultural impacts the world has ever known. And that's what makes it so funny when all the moaners are trying to get them down from the roof. They didn't realise how lucky they were! Nicely said. It's a good point also how much they seem of our own times a half century later. I credit Peter Jackson with making the visuals look so crisp and vivid that it could have been shot yesterday, but it's also true that if you had no clue you could ALMOST believe these guys were from this time ... ( ALMOST because the one glaring difference is the total lack of screens. John isn't tweeting on his phone and George isn't checking his e-mail for that solo record deal ....) That's the one huge cultural shift that you feel and maybe it's why they were able to focus so intensely once the vibe finally got going in that room ... |
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Post by World71R on Dec 12, 2021 20:26:08 GMT -5
Transcends time, as does his music, and The Beatles' music. What struck me watching Get Back was how it could all have been done last week. From their style, to the music, to their conversations... It's so, so special. What a special, significant but short moment in time. Four lads from Liverpool have had arguably the greatest cultural impacts the world has ever known. And that's what makes it so funny when all the moaners are trying to get them down from the roof. They didn't realise how lucky they were! Nicely said. It's a good point also how much they seem of our own times a half century later. I credit Peter Jackson with making the visuals look so crisp and vivid that it could have been shot yesterday, but it's also true that if you had no clue you could ALMOST believe these guys were from this time ... ( ALMOST because the one glaring difference is the total lack of screens. John isn't tweeting on his phone and George isn't checking his e-mail for that solo record deal ....) That's the one huge cultural shift that you feel and maybe it's why they were able to focus so intensely once the vibe finally got going in that room ... Or someone trying to record what they're doing and ruining the whole specialty of what we're watching. Everyone was tuned into what was going on and not focused elsewhere, which really helped that comraderie you feel in the documentary. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Dec 13, 2021 6:46:42 GMT -5
Was just realizing on the anniversary of John's death this week that he has now been dead longer than he lived. So strange. What struck me watching Get Back was how it could all have been done last week. Police officers are nice, so no. |
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Post by matt on Dec 13, 2021 9:26:43 GMT -5
Transcends time, as does his music, and The Beatles' music. What struck me watching Get Back was how it could all have been done last week. From their style, to the music, to their conversations... It's so, so special. What a special, significant but short moment in time. Four lads from Liverpool have had arguably the greatest cultural impacts the world has ever known. And that's what makes it so funny when all the moaners are trying to get them down from the roof. They didn't realise how lucky they were! Nicely said. It's a good point also how much they seem of our own times a half century later. I credit Peter Jackson with making the visuals look so crisp and vivid that it could have been shot yesterday, but it's also true that if you had no clue you could ALMOST believe these guys were from this time ... ( ALMOST because the one glaring difference is the total lack of screens. John isn't tweeting on his phone and George isn't checking his e-mail for that solo record deal ....) That's the one huge cultural shift that you feel and maybe it's why they were able to focus so intensely once the vibe finally got going in that room ... For these reasons, you just wonder if creativity suffers these days as a result. Not saying that 'everything's shit these days' but surely all these distractions in modern day life impact the focus, mindset and train of thought that brings about quality of genuine greatness? Interesting post though, and it makes me think about how modern life encourages short attention spans, and nothing ever really feels like a seismic cultural event anymore. People's tastes are far broader than anything before, but how much thought and time are they giving to these entertainment products? Even if an album with the critical and commercial ratings of Sgt Pepper appeared today, it would just be a passing fad before the next raved review thing comes along. I saw the most watched Netflix shows of all time, and some of these shows have 500 million plus views - a viewership far greater than any of the most iconic highest watched television events or films in history. But in all seriousness, how long will these shows last in the memory? Another TV show will come along and replace it very soon (e.g. the much raved about Squid Game will be a thing of the past in a couple of months time). We're inundated with endless choices of entertainment (music, films, video games, TV, etc) but the modern world doesn't let these entertainment releases settle and deeply root itself in peoples hearts and minds. Easy access also makes things more disposable before another fad will pass along that we will all jump on to. |
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