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Post by defmaybe00 on Jul 29, 2021 14:15:44 GMT -5
Is this the last record of Liam's current deal with Warner? I think I remember it being written somewhere that he signed for 3 Albums. What do we think will happen next? Oasis Reunion? No idea but if it does well enough I'd be shocked if they don't offer him another deal
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jul 29, 2021 16:04:57 GMT -5
Is this the last record of Liam's current deal with Warner? I think I remember it being written somewhere that he signed for 3 Albums. What do we think will happen next? Oasis Reunion? No idea but if it does well enough I'd be shocked if they don't offer him another deal There is often even an option for the next album baked into the deal ... so WB can have a contract for 3 albums and an option on the next 2, that kind of thing. But don't know any specifics, of course. Contracts are rarely made public while they're in operation unless something goes terribly wrong!
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Post by underawaterfall on Jul 29, 2021 18:37:40 GMT -5
Would the MTV unplugged and acoustic sessions (and possibly down the river) albums count towards the deal?
I know some bands release compilations to fulfil album stipulations in contracts.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jul 29, 2021 19:24:41 GMT -5
Would the MTV unplugged and acoustic sessions (and possibly down the river) albums count towards the deal? I know some bands release compilations to fulfil album stipulations in contracts. Depends on the contract as well. Some recording contracts will have language that specifically says that live albums will NOT count towards the total, but can't know for sure.
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Post by andymorris on Jul 30, 2021 2:59:45 GMT -5
No, that's not how major companies work. Especially when they come to the rescue to save a failing artist who was willing to do anything to come back to his previous glory. This is a made-up narrative. They didn't "come to his rescue" while he was lying in the gutter out of the goodness of their A&R souls. He brought them some songs that had potential (we know what they were), he was Liam Gallagher, legendary frontman of Oasis, still a household name in an era of fewer and fewer household names, and they put together a deal, as people do, that protected both of their interests should it all fall apart. And happily for most, it didn't all fall apart. Within that deal, creative control was certainly addressed and it can be split several ways, which perhaps you know. I don't know the specifics of his contract and neither do you. But I do know he had a high-paid lawyer, as one does, who fought for him. I've worked with an entertainment lawyer before on contracts and they go to bat for you, I mean really go to bat on every little thing that could affect you in any small way, even if you're super low on the food chain. That's what they learn to do in school. And they know what is standard for artists at a certain level. So I'm still highly skeptical that he ceded all creative control, but let's leave it at we don't know what his contract says. This narrative that he was so desperate he would sign anything and had no leverage at all, though, is pretty out there from my POV. Well none of us knows, true, but mark my words. The next album will be all of the same. It's more subtle than that in the industry. You got a manager and A&R people working to make an artist release what they think their audience will like. I didn't say he signed anything or without reading, read again my replies. I just said he didn't have complete control. It's pretty obvious that the musical direction is handled by someone else. Of course he can say no, of course he can choose the songs. But no way he can release whatever he wants. Hell even Noel cant... and it's his label. And no way he can release one of his shit songs if the label doesn't want to (cough cough Eh La). you're talking money, i'm talking corporate strategy, which are of course linked but are two different things. they just wrapped the whole thing into "hey why dont you work with those awesome writers / producers" (that we pay a lot of money, that are our employees). The control is one step higher. You know i'm right. they don't come to him with revolutionnary stuff, they come to him with pre formatted songs that they know will work for the Liam Gallagher people want. He's got a yes / no in front of him, it's not an open answer exercice. That does not mean Liam hates what he releases, he just have other daddys, just like he had Noel and Marcus Russell before.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jul 30, 2021 5:00:44 GMT -5
you're talking money, i'm talking corporate strategy, which are of course linked but are two different things. they just wrapped the whole thing into "hey why dont you work with those awesome writers / producers" (that we pay a lot of money, that are our employees). The control is one step higher. You know i'm right. they don't come to him with revolutionnary stuff, they come to him with pre formatted songs that they know will work for the Liam Gallagher people want. He's got a yes / no in front of him, it's not an open answer exercice. That does not mean Liam hates what he releases, he just have other daddys, just like he had Noel and Marcus Russell before. Not just talking money. Money is only part of what a contract is about (not realizing that is one way people get screwed!). And you did say earlier that his contract left him without any control, though I think you're backtracking on that now, so But yes, of course there is going to be a marketing strategy and input from the label, And yes, we know the company put him together with proven songwriter-producers who they hoped he might jibe with (and he did). And yep, of course they all want to create something that people will like. Most people do, even Nobel Prize for Literature winner Bob Dylan gets off on having his songs sung back to him by pretty young things. And as we've talked about before Liam isn't driven by some kind of creative purity. That's not who he is. He just wants to sing the hell out of good songs that mean something to people, and if he happens to write a few so much the better. I don't think any of that is controversial to anyone. So that's all fine. But when you say above that he gets no more input than a yes or no ... well, now you're just going off again into territory where you have zero clue.. You don't know if Liam sent a spate of partly-written songs to Andrew Wyatt who helped him finish/polish them or if Wyatt came to him with a slate of pre-written songs or if it was both or some other process entirely. You're just guessing, which is fine, but that's all it is. I'd leave Freud out of it. It's only rock and roll (or close enough.)
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Post by GlastoEls on Jul 30, 2021 5:25:30 GMT -5
It seems like itβs working for Liam, the record company, and the fans, and I thus donβt recommend any rocking of the boat!
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jul 30, 2021 5:32:21 GMT -5
Liam, the record company, and the fans Pretty much the holy trinity right there, except maybe his mother who I think is also pleased ...
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Post by tomlivesforever on Jul 30, 2021 8:16:40 GMT -5
This is a made-up narrative. They didn't "come to his rescue" while he was lying in the gutter out of the goodness of their A&R souls. He brought them some songs that had potential (we know what they were), he was Liam Gallagher, legendary frontman of Oasis, still a household name in an era of fewer and fewer household names, and they put together a deal, as people do, that protected both of their interests should it all fall apart. And happily for most, it didn't all fall apart. Within that deal, creative control was certainly addressed and it can be split several ways, which perhaps you know. I don't know the specifics of his contract and neither do you. But I do know he had a high-paid lawyer, as one does, who fought for him. I've worked with an entertainment lawyer before on contracts and they go to bat for you, I mean really go to bat on every little thing that could affect you in any small way, even if you're super low on the food chain. That's what they learn to do in school. And they know what is standard for artists at a certain level. So I'm still highly skeptical that he ceded all creative control, but let's leave it at we don't know what his contract says. This narrative that he was so desperate he would sign anything and had no leverage at all, though, is pretty out there from my POV. Well none of us knows, true, but mark my words. The next album will be all of the same. It's more subtle than that in the industry. You got a manager and A&R people working to make an artist release what they think their audience will like. I didn't say he signed anything or without reading, read again my replies. I just said he didn't have complete control. It's pretty obvious that the musical direction is handled by someone else. Of course he can say no, of course he can choose the songs. But no way he can release whatever he wants. Hell even Noel cant... and it's his label. And no way he can release one of his shit songs if the label doesn't want to (cough cough Eh La). you're talking money, i'm talking corporate strategy, which are of course linked but are two different things. they just wrapped the whole thing into "hey why dont you work with those awesome writers / producers" (that we pay a lot of money, that are our employees). The control is one step higher. You know i'm right. they don't come to him with revolutionnary stuff, they come to him with pre formatted songs that they know will work for the Liam Gallagher people want. He's got a yes / no in front of him, it's not an open answer exercice. That does not mean Liam hates what he releases, he just have other daddys, just like he had Noel and Marcus Russell before. He works with songwriters because he doesn't write a huge amount of songs, if you don't write a huge amount then everything you do has to be good enough for release. Hence the songwriters. Its not rocket science, it has to happen in order for him to put out a record and tour it.
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Post by amc on Jul 30, 2021 9:54:48 GMT -5
Well, theyβve got madly screaming happy crowds in the stadiums at the Australian Open right now, all because they decided not to live with the virus. Even with all thatβs been royally screwed up in multiple countries that could have lost far fewer lives, there are ways Covid-19 can be a non-factor in human activity within a few years. The strategies exist. Just a matter of will, priorities and competence (granted, that's the hard stuff). But really, humanity got a stroke of luck. There are ways out of this mess and no need at all to let the virus continue to cause huge harms to life and joy. Well this post aged poorly.
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Post by tiger40 on Jul 30, 2021 12:42:54 GMT -5
I think that Warner would be stupid not to stick with Liam because it works so well and I would be surprised if they decided not to give him anymore record deals.
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Post by girllikeabomb on Jul 30, 2021 14:52:40 GMT -5
Well this post aged poorly. How so? All of those things were true at the time and they are still true. In something like a global pandemic there are multiple inflection points where things can go one way or another and that's where human decision and competency come in as stated. There were inflection points where in fact humanity could have gone for Zero Covid but the world's most powerful governments decided the economic cost was too high. What was possible once is now no longer possible, but progress is still both possible and happening. If you're referring to Australia, although they've had small surges now (no surprise with such low vaccination rates) they've still had nowhere even in the remote ballpark of the truly horrifying and tragic death rate of England or the US nor have they been responsible for major new variants that have spread around the world and endangered billions. They did a really good job back then. What they've done very poorly at is vaccinating the population. (That's where humanity got so incredibly lucky so if you screw that part up it's pretty big ...) Every country has challenges unique to its government and people. But overall humanity truly did dodge a bullet. The virus was (and still is ... so far) controllable with basic measures. We developed a highly effective vaccine in record time. There is still a lot more work to be done. And the success that has come has not been equitable. Dangers still exist and decisions being made right now could blow the whole thing up. But there's no doubt that millions of loved ones lives have been saved. I'll never be sorry for wanting that outcome.
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Post by tezza198 on Jul 30, 2021 19:24:10 GMT -5
I think that Warner would be stupid not to stick with Liam because it works so well and I would be surprised if they decided not to give him anymore record deals. Liam has been a massive success for Warner, they'll want to milk as many albums out of him as they can i'd imagine. Everyone wins that way, them, Liam and us the fans!
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Post by tiger40 on Jul 31, 2021 12:34:49 GMT -5
I think that Warner would be stupid not to stick with Liam because it works so well and I would be surprised if they decided not to give him anymore record deals. Liam has been a massive success for Warner, they'll want to milk as many albums out of him as they can i'd imagine. Everyone wins that way, them, Liam and us the fans! Yeah exactly. And, I wouldn't be surprised if Warner are the permanent record label for Liam.
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Post by jh on Jul 31, 2021 14:50:18 GMT -5
Liam has been a massive success for Warner, they'll want to milk as many albums out of him as they can i'd imagine. Everyone wins that way, them, Liam and us the fans! Yeah exactly.Β And, I wouldn't be surprised if Warner are the permanent record label for Liam.Β If it ain't broke don't fix it!
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 1, 2021 12:36:23 GMT -5
Yeah exactly. And, I wouldn't be surprised if Warner are the permanent record label for Liam. If it ain't broke don't fix it! Oh absolutely.
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Post by GlastoEls on Aug 19, 2021 13:18:46 GMT -5
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Post by underawaterfall on Aug 19, 2021 14:01:57 GMT -5
Did not know that! Exciting. Like the sound of the out there album.
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Post by idleross on Aug 19, 2021 16:32:46 GMT -5
If heβs such a big Beatles fan he should release a double album
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Post by lg on Aug 30, 2021 10:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by jh on Aug 30, 2021 11:03:47 GMT -5
He almost doesn't look real in the pic. Bet they couldn't believe their luck.
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Post by Supersonic on Aug 30, 2021 11:41:38 GMT -5
Album cover? He can't be that close to completing Album 3 can he?
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Post by mancraider on Aug 30, 2021 11:47:49 GMT -5
Who knows. Hes certainly had enough time on his hands these past 18 months. Would be great to get some new music sooner than later.
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Post by tiger40 on Aug 30, 2021 12:45:01 GMT -5
I would love to have some new music from Liam soon but I doubt it'll be this year now.
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Post by Supersonic on Aug 30, 2021 12:45:50 GMT -5
I would love to have some new music from Liam soon but I doubt it'll be this year now. I think if it was close, he would have played something new at Reading and Leeds.
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