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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 7:44:49 GMT -5
Do you think Noel would listen to this kinda stuff himself, for pleasure. Do you think Liam would blast the likes of FWIW Chinatown etc on his ghettoblaster? Course not, it’s business and that’s just fine. Buy it, don’t buy it. Isn't Noel always talking about listening to this kind of shit now? FWIW gets compared to John Lennon all the time so maybe. chinatown is irrelevant cos that was forced on him  Noel talks about whatever he thinks he should talk about, we know this. No dice. John Lennon? Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Hope he drops it from the setlist. Nice little song but needs to go now. I believe that Liam would listen to Once, Be Still, Halo, Invisible Sun, The River etc. I think he’s keeping it a bit more real this time which surely makes for a better (yep I said better!!!) album. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Aug 22, 2019 7:57:12 GMT -5
The problem I have is that Noel talks the talk but the songs aren’t holding up. Especially when you think he was doing stuff like this 20 years ago:
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Post by Ltrain on Aug 22, 2019 8:06:39 GMT -5
I don't mind the change into dance music, but for me the songs are just not as good. The melodies have been lacking for me and that is the reason I have always loved Noel's songs. It seems he has gotten away from the melody as his main ingredient.
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Post by lalaland on Aug 22, 2019 8:17:21 GMT -5
I don't mind the change into dance music, but for me the songs are just not as good. The melodies have been lacking for me and that is the reason I have always loved Noel's songs. It seems he has gotten away from the melody as his main ingredient. That and proper lyrics  |
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Post by Rolo on Aug 22, 2019 8:24:23 GMT -5
I was having this discussion not long ago on here. He has definitely got more mixed and negative comments about his music since Holy Mountain was released, that seemed to be the turning point. It isn't just from the "Liam fanboys" either, it's a big chunk of the Oasis community. Like others have pointed out, I'm not a massive fan of his last efforts but if that's where he's at musically at the moment then so be it, he seems to be enjoying himself. It doesn't help that he come along with this abrassive attitude of everyone who doesnt get Holy Mountain is a parka monkey. Basically anyone who don't like my new stuff is a thick piece of shit like i've always thought you all were anyway but you were buying my records then so its fine. Not to mention, he said that before AYW really took off. If we imagine a world where Liam was still in exile, then Noel could probably keep on getting away with that attitude. He's only been used to huge popularity all his career. Even at Oasis lowest points, he still had the support of the huge fanbase. People just see through the music, and cannot bare the man he's become. It's no wonder he's getting this reaction. And before people say it shouldn't matter what he's like as a person. It does matter. People go into listening to your music wanting to hate it. Just like Liam in Beady Eye. And if what you're churning out is anything less than brilliant, you're gonna get turned on. Sorry Noel, but you're losing this one. I struggle to watch an interview with him these days, seems like he can't go without having a dig at a big part of his fanbase which I find baffling to be honest, but that's another topic completely. Like I said, he's very much in to this style at the moment so don't think it's going anywhere any time soon. This is where he is at musically and I don't think he should change because he's getting negative feedback about it, if he's enjoying it then I guess that's what's most important. |
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Post by russiangenius on Aug 22, 2019 8:27:35 GMT -5
Yep, that's the thing about 'You reap what you sow'. Someone won't like this opinion
I'm the man who wants 1995 thing by Noel. Ffs, at least I want 2011 thing by Noel ('cause I'm a big fan of NGHFB №1, I even think it's better than AYW). Something else but not fckn cosmic pop. Why on Earth should I listen to cosmic pop if Noel did what I like for about 20 years? For cosmic pop I have Kasabian, for example. I want to listen to songs like The Dying Of The Light or Dead In The Water - that's the way I want to listen to because they were written by classic Noel Gallagher I know and I love. Okay, Noel tried cosmic pop - you see the results. Meh.
Firstly these comments are about changing music direction, not about Liam. Cosmic pop is forgettable genre for stuff like playin' in McDonalds on background. I know Noel Gallagher as a rock star, not pop dancer. He's working class hero with songs which give you faith in the future. Nowadays songs are soulless. It doesn't give me pleasure. I don't like things like The Right Stuff or Holy Mountain. Someone say: 'How can you listen to one genre of music for 20 years? That's why Noel changed!' That's why one day I chose Gallaghers and they fit my desires well, buddy.
Maybe it's just hating cosmic pop. For example, I like What A Life, but it's far from cosmic pop - it's really cool groove tune. Noel chose wrong direction to develop himself, that's a fact. Now fight me
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Post by AubreyOasis on Aug 22, 2019 9:44:15 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm looking too much into this on social media and posts on here to an extent, but the backlash against Noel is reaching its peak from what I can see. In fact I haven't seen a lot of positive reaction to anything he has done since Chasing Yesterday. With WBTM I remember this place was completely divided and people HATED Holy Mountain. I don't really think Noel has gone that "far out" if you can call it that, he's dipping a bit into different genres of music and seeing what happens. So, is the consensus among Oasis fans that he's shit until he goes back to what he is know for, or is it because of the whole Noel / Liam divide, with fans being more favourable towards Liam? Holy Mountain is the song with his most sucessful chart run after WAL, by some distance. Peaked at 31 and charted for 10 weeks (https://www.officialcharts.com/search/singles/holy-mountain/). Much better run than ITHOTM, TDOTL, IIHAG, Riverman and all the other "classical" Noel singles. So if people in this forum hated Holy Mountain (or, more precisely, was divided about it), then maybe it's because this forum is not representative of the hundreths of thousands of Oasis fans out there. It's representative of course of us: a certain type of die-hard fan, very limited in number up to the point of being probably irrelevant from the commercial point of view. Most 'oasis fans' do not go to forums and social media to argue with strangers about the way Noel and the band bow after a concert, or to overanalyze the meaning of a sentence in his last interview, as we do. And the data simply does not match that "big backslash after WBTM" narrative: WBTM sales were as as strong as CY, and tickets for the shows sold as well or better. This was true with concerts were heavily based on new material. Outside of the fanbase, the album had more positive reviews than all the albums he was involved since the 90s and it was nominated for the Mercury. So no surprise Noel does not seem worried |
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Post by philko87 on Aug 22, 2019 9:52:35 GMT -5
Perhaps I'm looking too much into this on social media and posts on here to an extent, but the backlash against Noel is reaching its peak from what I can see. In fact I haven't seen a lot of positive reaction to anything he has done since Chasing Yesterday. With WBTM I remember this place was completely divided and people HATED Holy Mountain. I don't really think Noel has gone that "far out" if you can call it that, he's dipping a bit into different genres of music and seeing what happens. So, is the consensus among Oasis fans that he's shit until he goes back to what he is know for, or is it because of the whole Noel / Liam divide, with fans being more favourable towards Liam? Holy Mountain is the song with his most sucessful chart run after WAL, by some distance. Peaked at 31 and charted for 10 weeks (https://www.officialcharts.com/search/singles/holy-mountain/). Much better run than ITHOTM, TDOTL, IIHAG, Riverman and all the other "classical" Noel singles. So if people in this forum hated Holy Mountain (or, more precisely, was divided about it), then maybe it's because this forum is not representative of the hundreths of thousands of Oasis fans out there. It's representative of course of us: a certain type of die-hard fan, very limited in number up to the point of being probably irrelevant from the commercial point of view. Most 'oasis fans' do not go to forums and social media to argue with strangers about the way Noel and the band bow after a concert, or to overanalyze the meaning of a sentence in his last interview, as we do. And the data simply does not match that "big backslash after WBTM" narrative: WBTM sales were as as strong as CY, and tickets for the shows sold as well or better. This was true with concerts were heavily based on new material. Outside of the fanbase, the album had more positive reviews than all the albums he was involved since the 90s and it was nominated for the Mercury. So no surprise Noel does not seem worried This. Fans of everything these days seem desperate to control narratives of success/failure by shouting the loudest. It’s nonsense. Noel’s doing great. All of this “his attitude to fans is turning people away” stuff is sheer projection. |
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Post by MONO on Aug 22, 2019 10:08:19 GMT -5
His music isn't. Whether you like it or not. |
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 22, 2019 10:52:31 GMT -5
It doesn't help that he come along with this abrassive attitude of everyone who doesnt get Holy Mountain is a parka monkey. Basically anyone who don't like my new stuff is a thick piece of shit like i've always thought you all were anyway but you were buying my records then so its fine. Not to mention, he said that before AYW really took off. If we imagine a world where Liam was still in exile, then Noel could probably keep on getting away with that attitude. He's only been used to huge popularity all his career. Even at Oasis lowest points, he still had the support of the huge fanbase. People just see through the music, and cannot bare the man he's become. It's no wonder he's getting this reaction. And before people say it shouldn't matter what he's like as a person. It does matter. People go into listening to your music wanting to hate it. Just like Liam in Beady Eye. And if what you're churning out is anything less than brilliant, you're gonna get turned on. Sorry Noel, but you're losing this one. I struggle to watch an interview with him these days, seems like he can't go without having a dig at a big part of his fanbase which I find baffling to be honest, but that's another topic completely. Like I said, he's very much in to this style at the moment so don't think it's going anywhere any time soon. This is where he is at musically and I don't think he should change because he's getting negative feedback about it, if he's enjoying it then I guess that's what's most important. What i also find baffling is the way he talks about "oasis fans", as if they're this subsection of his audience that are still there from them days. Literally all of his fans are Oasis fans. Don't know why he has the arrogance to assume most of them are some new breed of cosmic pop enthusiast. Completely agree that artistically he shouldn't change. But its the way he's justifying the quality of it by dismissing our opinion because we are unsophisticated morons that i cant stand. |
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 22, 2019 10:53:48 GMT -5
I love how Noels level of success is defined by the chart run of a #31 single.
Whoopy fucking doo.
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 22, 2019 10:57:37 GMT -5
Isn't Noel always talking about listening to this kind of shit now? FWIW gets compared to John Lennon all the time so maybe. chinatown is irrelevant cos that was forced on him Noel talks about whatever he thinks he should talk about, we know this. No dice. John Lennon? Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Hope he drops it from the setlist. Nice little song but needs to go now. I believe that Liam would listen to Once, Be Still, Halo, Invisible Sun, The River etc. I think he’s keeping it a bit more real this time which surely makes for a better (yep I said better!!!) album. Sorry igotflair, Usually agree with you but dont here. FWIW was a big solo hit. Its a good sing along and deserves its place in the set. I dont get how singing "co-written" songs (a generous term) is keeping it more real than an album he mostly written by himself either? Stuff like Greedy Soul and You Better Run is very liam. |
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Post by shannee on Aug 22, 2019 11:00:22 GMT -5
This “backlash” began 1994 when Noel came out on stage with an acoustic guitar, did Sad Song, and some drunk fuck said: This is shit.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 22, 2019 11:02:57 GMT -5
I love how Noels level of success is defined by the chart run of a #31 single. Whoopy fucking doo. That's relatively in the same ballpark as Liam's singles, but sure  |
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 22, 2019 11:04:02 GMT -5
I love how Noels level of success is defined by the chart run of a #31 single. Whoopy fucking doo. That's relatively in the same ballpark as Liam's singles, but sure Yeah and i wouldn't define Liams success by any of the singles. Id look at the incredible album sales first week and overall. Just like High Flying Birds earlier on. |
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Post by spaneli on Aug 22, 2019 11:09:08 GMT -5
The odd thing is this thought of success is being defined by something that Noel clearly doesn't care to promote. The "promotion" for the EPs obviously haven't been done with the same intensity of an album.
To my knowledge, he's only pulled one late night appearance to promote this batch of songs and he didn't even play music on that appearance.
If this were an album run and he were doing his usual media appearances on the big shows, his usual adverts, and there weren't seeing it in the sales, then fair. But using his EPs numbers is chasing ghosts.
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Post by spaneli on Aug 22, 2019 11:10:32 GMT -5
That's relatively in the same ballpark as Liam's singles, but sure Yeah and i wouldn't define Liams success by any of the singles. Id look at the incredible album sales first week and overall. Just like High Flying Birds earlier on. High Flying Birds album sales were fine. WBTM bascially sold as much as CY. So what are we talking about? Because the first HFBs album sales were never sustainable. Just as I'm sure Liam's aren't. |
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Post by MONO on Aug 22, 2019 11:11:17 GMT -5
NGHFB lead single 2011: #15 CY lead single 2014: #26 WBTM lead single 2017: #31 EP lead singles: fail to chart NGHFB singles: black vinyl CY singles: black vinyl + coloured vinyl (online store) WBTM singles + EPs: black vinyl + coloured vinyl + picture disc (online store) Despite releasing his music in more and more formats, it's less and less successful. Who's to blame? The unsophisticated Oasis fans  |
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Post by spaneli on Aug 22, 2019 11:12:53 GMT -5
NGHFB lead single 2011: #15 CY lead single 2014: #26 WBTM lead single 2017: #31 EP lead singles: fail to chart NGHFB singles: black vinyl CY singles: black vinyl + coloured vinyl (online store) WBTM singles + EPs: black vinyl + coloured vinyl + picture disc (online store) Despite releasing his music in more and more formats, it's less and less successful. Who's to blame? The unsophisticated Oasis fans You can basically chart the lowering of his single sales to the change of rules relying on Spotify streams instead of physical sales. Edit: Also, Noel still managed a significant chart run with Holy Mountain. Sometimes the run is more important than the peak. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 11:13:00 GMT -5
Noel talks about whatever he thinks he should talk about, we know this. No dice. John Lennon? Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha. Hope he drops it from the setlist. Nice little song but needs to go now. I believe that Liam would listen to Once, Be Still, Halo, Invisible Sun, The River etc. I think he’s keeping it a bit more real this time which surely makes for a better (yep I said better!!!) album. Sorry igotflair, Usually agree with you but dont here. FWIW was a big solo hit. Its a good sing along and deserves its place in the set. I dont get how singing "co-written" songs (a generous term) is keeping it more real than an album he mostly written by himself either? Stuff like Greedy Soul and You Better Run is very liam. Singing them isn’t, but are they the type of songs he’d listen to is what I meant. I was just trying to make the point that both Noel and Liam are evolving, one more than the other. |
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Post by MONO on Aug 22, 2019 11:21:37 GMT -5
You can basically chart the lowering of his single sales to the change of rules relying on Spotify streams instead of physical sales. You wanna imply that he doesn't manage to attract new audiences but pisses on his old fans? |
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 22, 2019 11:25:04 GMT -5
Sorry igotflair, Usually agree with you but dont here. FWIW was a big solo hit. Its a good sing along and deserves its place in the set. I dont get how singing "co-written" songs (a generous term) is keeping it more real than an album he mostly written by himself either? Stuff like Greedy Soul and You Better Run is very liam. Singing them isn’t, but are they the type of songs he’d listen to is what I meant. I was just trying to make the point that both Noel and Liam are evolving, one more than the other. Hmmm, i see him sat listening to the Beatles non stop and everything he does seems to get compared to them in some way or another. I agree with you on Noel, i just wish he'd stop trying to force a narrative that it's mind blowing experimental progression. Its to suit the Pitchfork and Guardian critics he's had since forever. He consciously realised that he's viewed in a very particular light by critics and his rich musical peers and he's forcing a sound based on bits of an idea. When he does something like CY, where its clearly full of songs he's worked on for ages and crafted over a long period, hes superb. My favourite songwriter ever. This period now? Its Standing On The Shoulder Of Giants with saxaphones. |
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Post by spaneli on Aug 22, 2019 11:27:03 GMT -5
You can basically chart the lowering of his single sales to the change of rules relying on Spotify streams instead of physical sales. You wanna imply that he doesn't manage to attract new audiences but pisses on his old fans? Spotify streams come down to plays, but like anything, those plays comes down to how much money you're willing to pay. Getting significant Spotify streams isn't difficult. Much of the time, labels make sure artists land on the hot playlists, thereby driving up streams, which then drive up the charting. Liam with Wall of Glass showed up on multiple big playlists even before One Love. That's not an accident. That's Warner. Noel's team clearly hasn't invested the same energy or money into Spotify. They believe their better bet is physical sales, which leads to diminishing returns with chart placements, but still gives Noel the same steady income. That's why pointing out his streaming numbers is bascially saying nothing. |
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Post by mossy on Aug 22, 2019 11:28:23 GMT -5
Imagine if music forums existed when Paul Weller split up The Jam and formed the Style Council...
At least Noel hasn’t gone for blonde highlights.
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Post by fartpanic on Aug 22, 2019 11:29:21 GMT -5
NGHFB lead single 2011: #15 CY lead single 2014: #26 WBTM lead single 2017: #31 EP lead singles: fail to chart NGHFB singles: black vinyl CY singles: black vinyl + coloured vinyl (online store) WBTM singles + EPs: black vinyl + coloured vinyl + picture disc (online store) Despite releasing his music in more and more formats, it's less and less successful. Who's to blame? The unsophisticated Oasis fans He struck lucky from the first album. That was seen as an undeniably great record on here because of its sales success. When in reality it was quite boringly produced and is just decent. Plugging what a life on an ad and the big marketing basically gave it its legs. Since then hes just been arrogantly thinking he'll keep the success regardless. I think the arrogance completely set in when Beady Eye failed and he had no competition. |
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