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Post by johnnyb on May 9, 2019 10:10:59 GMT -5
I genuinely like that Noel is trying a new direction with his sound, but for someone who has on numerous occasions berated other artist for “not writing a proper chorus” he seems to be living out a morbid fantasy of his scathed victims by joining them in a kind of safe space for ‘free from chorus’ songs....
I’m hopeful it will change and we’ll hear some catchy Noel esque melodies and hooks, which would be great layered over the new sound.
Although WAL wasn’t as radical departure as BDS, it still had a certain class about it and a fantastic chorus which as always elevates his songs to the next level...
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Post by mossy on May 9, 2019 10:41:09 GMT -5
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Post by sfsorrow on May 9, 2019 10:58:15 GMT -5
I genuinely like that Noel is trying a new direction with his sound, but for someone who has on numerous occasions berated other artist for “not writing a proper chorus” he seems to be living out a morbid fantasy of his scathed victims by joining them in a kind of safe space for ‘free from chorus’ songs.... I’m hopeful it will change and we’ll hear some catchy Noel esque melodies and hooks, which would be great layered over the new sound. Although WAL wasn’t as radical departure as BDS, it still had a certain class about it and a fantastic chorus which as always elevates his songs to the next level... Perhaps there is a difference between a chorus and a proper chorus but I do hear a chorus in BSD and for me at least it's the best part of the song. |
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Post by andymorris on May 9, 2019 11:11:38 GMT -5
Well another 80s tune that goes nowhere. What's the fascination for that era ? It was shit musically.
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Post by johnnyb on May 9, 2019 11:14:59 GMT -5
I genuinely like that Noel is trying a new direction with his sound, but for someone who has on numerous occasions berated other artist for “not writing a proper chorus” he seems to be living out a morbid fantasy of his scathed victims by joining them in a kind of safe space for ‘free from chorus’ songs.... I’m hopeful it will change and we’ll hear some catchy Noel esque melodies and hooks, which would be great layered over the new sound. Although WAL wasn’t as radical departure as BDS, it still had a certain class about it and a fantastic chorus which as always elevates his songs to the next level... Perhaps there is a difference between a chorus and a proper chorus but I do hear a chorus in BSD and for me at least it's the best part of the song. Well Noel has made a career out of infectious melodies rather than lyrical mastery, they are for most people what makes a song, and they certainly made all of Oasis’s hit songs what they are, and i feel like the chorus of BDS sounds more like a bridge (a great bridge nonetheless) to take the song to it’s euphoric conclusion, but it never comes... Same with Rattling Rose, the “and then you came along” has got pre chorus written all over it, something Noel would have preyed upon in the past to carve out a memorable hook or chorus to follow, and again it never comes... I don’t know if his new style of writing in the studio is a result of this, it just feels like these songs have so much more potential as i love the sound and direction... |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 9, 2019 11:15:06 GMT -5
The great thing about WBTM as an album was that melody and chorus was NOT sacrificed while exploring new styles of music. I fear Noel is going too far now, prioritizing differentiation and new styles at all costs, even if the 'hook' gets lost.
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Post by sfsorrow on May 9, 2019 11:15:16 GMT -5
Well another 80s tune that goes nowhere. What's the fascination for that era ? It was shit musically. It was the music he grew up on. I can understand people having a soft spot for the music they listened to in their teens and early 20s. |
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Post by jazamora93 on May 9, 2019 11:30:36 GMT -5
Compare the chorus of 'The Death of you and me. If I had a gun. aka WAL to these new songs and you almost want to laugh
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 9, 2019 11:47:03 GMT -5
Compare the chorus of 'The Death of you and me. If I had a gun. aka WAL to these new songs and you almost want to laugh Want to talk about lazy and bad song writing? If I Had A Gun features Noel just going “Ahhhhh Ahhhh Ahhhhhhh” over and over in it. When this soundcheck leaked literally 10 years ago I thought that was just a vocal place holder for him until he filled it out with lyrics of some sort. No. He left it! |
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Post by jazamora93 on May 9, 2019 11:50:57 GMT -5
If i had a gun has the makings of a noel classic no matter how you put it. Almost anyone refers to it as wonderwall 2. Beautiful world? Not so much..its a poor man's WAL
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 9, 2019 11:54:28 GMT -5
If i had a gun has the makings of a noel classic no matter how you put it. Almost anyone refers to it as wonderwall 2. Beautiful world? Not so much..its a poor man's WAL I’ve never heard anyone ever call it Wonderwall 2. It’s just not that good of a song. It’s the hit that never was! Peaked at #95. Noel said countless times leading up to HFB debut he knew he had a hit in IIHAG but didn’t want to come out of the gate being predictable and at the last minute changed lead singles. When it was IIHAG time to shine it sank like a stone in the charts. |
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2019 12:02:48 GMT -5
If i had a gun has the makings of a noel classic no matter how you put it. Almost anyone refers to it as wonderwall 2. Beautiful world? Not so much..its a poor man's WAL I’ve never heard anyone ever call it Wonderwall 2. It’s just not that good of a song. It’s the hit that never was! Peaked at #95. Noel said countless times leading up to HFB debut he knew he had a hit in IIHAG but didn’t want to come out of the gate being predictable and at the last minute changed lead singles. When it was IIHAG time to shine it sank like a stone in the charts. I agree with you, but using chart positions as a marker of quality is a bit of a stretch at this point for a 50 year old musician. |
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Post by jazamora93 on May 9, 2019 12:06:07 GMT -5
Id go as far as saying IIHAG has a chorus better than wonderwall. That droning maybee sure gets dull
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 9, 2019 12:07:33 GMT -5
Noel Gallagher: The Ricky Ricardo Years
(That's a big band leader joke for those of you not over 40 years old like me..)
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 9, 2019 12:09:59 GMT -5
I’ve never heard anyone ever call it Wonderwall 2. It’s just not that good of a song. It’s the hit that never was! Peaked at #95. Noel said countless times leading up to HFB debut he knew he had a hit in IIHAG but didn’t want to come out of the gate being predictable and at the last minute changed lead singles. When it was IIHAG time to shine it sank like a stone in the charts. I agree with you, but using chart positions as a marker of quality is a bit of a stretch at this point for a 50 year old musician. We are talking 9 years ago. So much has changed. Spotify wasn’t a force yet. Physical and radio play the biggest factors in 2011. |
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Post by captaincrankshaft on May 9, 2019 14:53:14 GMT -5
I really like the sound of this one from those live clips, much better than BSD. Nice acoustic groove to it. Good melody too.
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Post by matt on May 9, 2019 15:18:40 GMT -5
Salsa music? Cringe? He should go back to his normal songwriting? Christ, Noel can’t win at all. With fans like this, he might as well just chuck his music collection and resort to ripping off boring old white male British dadrock of the 60s and 70s. And while he’s at it, why doesn’t he go down the full gammon route and start demanding a hard Brexit at all his gigs. Might be worth pulling out that Union Jack guitar again. You need some new material, mate. Try telling that to some Oasis fans with their music collection. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 9, 2019 16:07:13 GMT -5
It’s funny how you see people referring to songs they don’t like as ‘going nowhere’ or being ‘unfinished’ because it’s not just how they want it. I like a big chorus as much as next man but it’s not essential, fuck choruses. This new one has more about it than Black Star Dancing but it has nothing to do with being some sort of uplifting flag waver. I don’t get people who want him to churn out insipid shite like IIHAG and TDOTL.
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Post by spaneli on May 9, 2019 16:35:07 GMT -5
It’s funny how you see people referring to songs they don’t like as ‘going nowhere’ or being ‘unfinished’ because it’s not just how they want it. I like a big chorus as much as next man but it’s not essential, fuck choruses. This new one has more about it than Black Star Dancing but it has nothing to do with being some sort of uplifting flag waver. I don’t get people who want him to churn out insipid shite like IIHAG and TDOTL. The Dying of the Light is so well-produced, yet so Noel-by-the-numbers. He can write that in his sleep and throw it away and never miss it. Hence, Dead in the Water (and I actually like that song). I'd rather he fail doing something else than surviving on the bare minimum by doing the same old. |
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Post by eva on May 9, 2019 16:39:23 GMT -5
to each their own
I'd rather he creates music I could enjoy than do something else like HM or BSD that makes me want to stop buying his records and seeing him live. my loyalty is wearing off tbh
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 9, 2019 16:49:15 GMT -5
to each their own I'd rather he creates music I could enjoy than do something else like HM or BSD that makes me want to stop buying his records and seeing him live. my loyalty is wearing off tbh It’s always the darkest before the dawn.... |
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Post by bt95 on May 9, 2019 16:49:26 GMT -5
Well another 80s tune that goes nowhere. What's the fascination for that era ? It was shit musically. Jesus Christ |
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Post by Lennon2217 on May 9, 2019 16:50:36 GMT -5
It’s funny how you see people referring to songs they don’t like as ‘going nowhere’ or being ‘unfinished’ because it’s not just how they want it. I like a big chorus as much as next man but it’s not essential, fuck choruses. This new one has more about it than Black Star Dancing but it has nothing to do with being some sort of uplifting flag waver. I don’t get people who want him to churn out insipid shite like IIHAG and TDOTL. The Dying of the Light is so well-produced, yet so Noel-by-the-numbers. He can write that in his sleep and throw it away and never miss it. Hence, Dead in the Water (and I actually like that song). I'd rather he fail doing something else than surviving on the bare minimum by doing the same old. I could go the rest of my life without hearing If I Had A Gun or The Dying of the Light. I’m sure 16 or 20 year old me would eat it up but not now. Not after all these years. |
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Post by bt95 on May 9, 2019 16:51:10 GMT -5
The great thing about WBTM as an album was that melody and chorus was NOT sacrificed while exploring new styles of music. I fear Noel is going too far now, prioritizing differentiation and new styles at all costs, even if the 'hook' gets lost. But surely you wait to hear the whole song - in the case of Rattling Rose - before judging, yeh? |
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Post by thespiderandthefly on May 9, 2019 16:51:55 GMT -5
The Dying of the Light is so well-produced, yet so Noel-by-the-numbers. He can write that in his sleep and throw it away and never miss it. Hence, Dead in the Water (and I actually like that song). I'd rather he fail doing something else than surviving on the bare minimum by doing the same old. I could go the rest of my life without hearing If I Had A Gun or The Dying of the Light. I’m sure 16 or 20 year old me would eat it up but not now. Not after all these years. You spelled “could not” wrong  |
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