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Post by welshylad on Aug 26, 2020 3:53:50 GMT -5
I may have missed this scanning through the thread again. I get all the stuff about not getting permission so Alan and Guigs were edited out, but what about the other videos we have where they are not edited out? Off the top of my head we have The Masterplan, DLBIA, Champagne Supernova, Morning Glory and Cast No Shadow? So what's the difference? Did they give permission for these? Maybe its because they weren't "released", if thats the case just put the whole gig on youtube  The permission would apply to any footage of them performing live that they had not previously given permission to use their likeness in. The assumption here is that things like the performance on The Word and other shows would have already dealt with this back when they appeared there the first time. Other things, like the rehearsal tapes and Knebworth footage which has not already been released (and therefore does not have the agreement in place with the performers) still needed to get permission prior to inclusion. This does not cover things where they are not performing live, like the voice over you hear from Guigsy talking about Definitely Maybe's release, so they were able to use that without additional permission -- they would only need permission from whomever owns the recording itself. I'm finding this pretty confusing. So you're saying Alan and Guigs must have agreed to have the above videos from Knebworth released? But have said no to the rest of the gig? |
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Post by goletitout1986 on Aug 26, 2020 8:10:51 GMT -5
Also, I've watched Liam's antics on the second night. There are 4 part to the video below for a total of around 30 minutes of Liam ranting all sorts of nonsense. I personally love a bit of Liam gibberish that he engaged in during the 1990s, and kind of miss that he no longer does it (although more recently it has been brought back). But the second night was over the top and while it may be hilarious looking at it now, I would have been incredibly angry if I paid good money to attend that gig. After the Jools Holland gig, which was the first full Oasis show I saw on tv, I saw the second night at Wembley on VHS that a friend who had Sky recorded for me. I remember watching the chaos of it and thinking 'This is fucking insane!'. It remains maybe my favourite Oasis gig ever. |
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Post by oasisunited on Aug 26, 2020 9:19:25 GMT -5
The permission would apply to any footage of them performing live that they had not previously given permission to use their likeness in. The assumption here is that things like the performance on The Word and other shows would have already dealt with this back when they appeared there the first time. Other things, like the rehearsal tapes and Knebworth footage which has not already been released (and therefore does not have the agreement in place with the performers) still needed to get permission prior to inclusion. This does not cover things where they are not performing live, like the voice over you hear from Guigsy talking about Definitely Maybe's release, so they were able to use that without additional permission -- they would only need permission from whomever owns the recording itself. I'm finding this pretty confusing. So you're saying Alan and Guigs must have agreed to have the above videos from Knebworth released? But have said no to the rest of the gig? Sorry, I'll try to be more clear. There are different licensing rules that typically apply when you are seen on video doing a live performance in addition to the licensing from the publisher of the song being performed: That last part is the issue here. They need permission from Guigsy and Alan to "replicate and distribute" as they are performers on the live recording. While Ignition may have had permission to distribute it at the time (as I'm sure they originally planned to release Knebworth), the producers of the documentary wouldn't have/Ignition's agreement with the performers would not just transfer to the producers. Therefore, without getting permission from Alan and Guigs (which from all that I have read from Mat Whitecross and others was not going to happen due to on-going grudges between them and Ignition) they couldn't use the footage unless they removed them from it. I have no idea how that is legal, but maybe it is under British copyright law. As for the other performances where they do appear, my guess is that as part of their original agreement with those TV shows, they signed away rights for the network to re-use the footage without seeing permission (e.g. the network owned the performance outright and would be the one to grant permission). As for things like music videos, those are not "live performances", so it probably only requires permission from the publisher of the song, not each person who appears in it. |
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Post by welshylad on Aug 27, 2020 7:57:06 GMT -5
I'll be honest I'm still pretty confused. My point being is, we have all those brilliant videos of Knebworth CNS & MG were released years after the others. Now I'm taking it as long as it's not being distributed they don't need permission. Which goes back to my original point, just upload the whole gig on youtube
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Post by oasisunited on Aug 27, 2020 8:13:42 GMT -5
I'll be honest I'm still pretty confused. My point being is, we have all those brilliant videos of Knebworth CNS & MG were released years after the others. Now I'm taking it as long as it's not being distributed they don't need permission. Which goes back to my original point, just upload the whole gig on youtube I think we are talking about two different things: the release of the Knebworth footage/concert as an official Oasis release versus the use of the footage in Supersonic. I am not sure about whether or not permission would be needed for the former, as it is quite possible the permission to include Alan and Guigs in that might have already been obtained back at the time when the recordings were made/by the fact that they were members of Oasis the company at that point. The later is where the issue with permission came up, as the producers of the documentary needed to secure permission from each person who appears to be playing live in video footage in order to use it in the documentary. As to why Ignition/Noel hasn't tried to release it to begin with (whether for pay or for free), that is the mystery. The fact that they transitioned from a film about Knebworth to Supersonic might imply that there were some permission issues that would have made the concert film impossible, but that is just a guess. It is also entirely possible that Noel just got bored with the project and gave up. Or some completely other benign reason. Regardless, it is a shame that they went to all the trouble to record it at the time and the nothing. |
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Post by welshylad on Aug 27, 2020 8:20:34 GMT -5
Yes I think we were talking about different things Hopefully you're right and the permission was given years ago and the gig will be released at some point |
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