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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 4, 2018 17:25:00 GMT -5
Also, I've watched Liam's antics on the second night. There are 4 part to the video below for a total of around 30 minutes of Liam ranting all sorts of nonsense. I personally love a bit of Liam gibberish that he engaged in during the 1990s, and kind of miss that he no longer does it (although more recently it has been brought back). But the second night was over the top and while it may be hilarious looking at it now, I would have been incredibly angry if I paid good money to attend that gig. I would have been very let down to get a show like this. I want Liam singing. Not drunk banter nonstop. Noel, Gem, Andy and Alan look miserable. |
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Post by welshylad on Dec 5, 2018 6:38:24 GMT -5
I was at that gig and let me tell you the ranting only made it better
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Post by Definitely Could Be Oasis on Dec 5, 2018 7:41:30 GMT -5
Also, I've watched Liam's antics on the second night. There are 4 part to the video below for a total of around 30 minutes of Liam ranting all sorts of nonsense. I personally love a bit of Liam gibberish that he engaged in during the 1990s, and kind of miss that he no longer does it (although more recently it has been brought back). But the second night was over the top and while it may be hilarious looking at it now, I would have been incredibly angry if I paid good money to attend that gig. I did pay good money to go to the second Wembley Stadium gig and was not angry at all, it was a hillarious night! |
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Post by paul97 on Dec 5, 2018 8:48:51 GMT -5
[ How exactly is it lifeless? It’s pretty rock n roll as far as I’m concerned, the band seemed really into it. Rock n roll star an cigs an alc at that gig are among the best versions ever. I probably haven’t watched it since 2002 but I don’t recall the band members looking too happy outside Liam but he was more goofy angry than pure happy. He was a train wreck the following night which was supposed to be the gig they released. Both filmed. There are just so many bad vibes swirling around this band at the time. Oasis had just come off a European tour that Noel walked out on. Noel and Liam not on speaking terms all summer. It felt like a band that really was for once going to breakup. It hungover everything like a black cloud. I was surprised when they announced it as a live album. So many other better choices. You know with the band members from their glory day. Not the back 9. Noel is really up for it, you can see it in his performance quality and his expressions in solos (supersonic etc), andy gem and whitey seem normal and content as usual(even if say gem and andy seem off to you, maybe its the occasion? huge shows for the 2 relatively new members). And im not sure what "goofy angry" means but Liam just seems funny on the first night and having a laugh. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 5, 2018 8:53:12 GMT -5
I probably haven’t watched it since 2002 but I don’t recall the band members looking too happy outside Liam but he was more goofy angry than pure happy. He was a train wreck the following night which was supposed to be the gig they released. Both filmed. There are just so many bad vibes swirling around this band at the time. Oasis had just come off a European tour that Noel walked out on. Noel and Liam not on speaking terms all summer. It felt like a band that really was for once going to breakup. It hungover everything like a black cloud. I was surprised when they announced it as a live album. So many other better choices. You know with the band members from their glory day. Not the back 9. Noel is really up for it, you can see it in his performance quality and his expressions in solos (supersonic etc), andy gem and whitey seem normal and content as usual(even if say gem and andy seem off to you, maybe its the occasion? huge shows for the 2 relatively new members). And im not sure what "goofy angry" means but Liam just seems funny on the first night and having a laugh. I mean Noel looked ok. They knew they were filming for future release (surprisingly) since the band almost broke up 2 months prior. Surprised Liam went off the rails before the second show. Did he forget they were doing two? If I remember the divorce stuff was bubbling that weekend. Who knows. |
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Post by joladella on Dec 5, 2018 9:18:30 GMT -5
Noel is really up for it, you can see it in his performance quality and his expressions in solos (supersonic etc), andy gem and whitey seem normal and content as usual(even if say gem and andy seem off to you, maybe its the occasion? huge shows for the 2 relatively new members). And im not sure what "goofy angry" means but Liam just seems funny on the first night and having a laugh. I mean Noel looked ok. They knew they were filming for future release (surprisingly) since the band almost broke up 2 months prior. Surprised Liam went off the rails before the second show. Did he forget they were doing two? If I remember the divorce stuff was bubbling that weekend. Who knows. If I remember correctly from reading Nicole Appleton's autobiography (don't judge!), she went out with him that night, between the 2 shows, with a few other people, I think Noel indignantly said something about a Spice Girl being along. I think she even said they kissed that night for the first time. (Nicole & Liam, not the Spice Girl & Noel!) So much for Liam being hurt about Patsy Kensit kicking him out! 
Listening to Noel during the first night, I don't get the impression he was in a bad mood, all that bantering with the crowd, at least he sounds as if he was enjoying himself. And even in second night he has his moments. That facial expression during "Gas panic!" outro!  And he did not kill Liam, so he must have been in a pretty good mood!
As I already have outed myself as a shameless stalker (that first year of being Gallagher besotted I just had to read everything I could lay my hands on!), Mary McGuigan, Guigsy's sister sometimes posts on Twitter (I do not follow her, but she sometimes connects with fan accounts I do follow, honestly!) and ALWAYS in high praise of and full of love for Liam, so I do not think there is any bad blood there. As people were discussing his departing from the band and what might have resulted from that a few days ago.
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Post by oasisunited on Dec 31, 2018 22:58:11 GMT -5
As both Guigsy and Alan White got edited out of the Knebworth footage included in the Supersonic documentary, it's quite likely that financial differences prevent a release. is right about them being bought out of Oasis the company, so editing them out almost certainly isn't for financial reasons. In fact, I just watched Supersonic again the other day (for about the 15th time), and just realized that you hear Guigsy talking about the release of Definitely Maybe right after you see that fan girl call Liam gorgeous, even though you just see Liam signing CDs and shirts. My guess is that the shots used for the Knebworth footage is just an editorial choice, as you hear from Noel, Liam and Bonehead during it. Whitcross probably wanted to keep the talking voices in the shots -- simple as that. |
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Post by MONO on Jan 1, 2019 7:31:19 GMT -5
That's highly unlikely.
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Jan 1, 2019 14:14:12 GMT -5
As both Guigsy and Alan White got edited out of the Knebworth footage included in the Supersonic documentary, it's quite likely that financial differences prevent a release. is right about them being bought out of Oasis the company, so editing them out almost certainly isn't for financial reasons. In fact, I just watched Supersonic again the other day (for about the 15th time), and just realized that you hear Guigsy talking about the release of Definitely Maybe right after you see that fan girl call Liam gorgeous, even though you just see Liam signing CDs and shirts. My guess is that the shots used for the Knebworth footage is just an editorial choice, as you hear from Noel, Liam and Bonehead during it. Whitcross probably wanted to keep the talking voices in the shots -- simple as that. They were literally erased out of wider stage shots from Knebworth, Earls Court and even the snippet from King Tut's. Guigsy used to be there - not anymore. Also on the Letterman clip of Morning Glory all you see is an empty drum riser. I don't know why it's been done but I'm guessing we won't be seeing any archive releases anytime soon. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 1, 2019 14:27:45 GMT -5
guigsysEstring is right about them being bought out of Oasis the company, so editing them out almost certainly isn't for financial reasons. In fact, I just watched Supersonic again the other day (for about the 15th time), and just realized that you hear Guigsy talking about the release of Definitely Maybe right after you see that fan girl call Liam gorgeous, even though you just see Liam signing CDs and shirts. My guess is that the shots used for the Knebworth footage is just an editorial choice, as you hear from Noel, Liam and Bonehead during it. Whitcross probably wanted to keep the talking voices in the shots -- simple as that. They were literally erased out of wider stage shots from Knebworth, Earls Court and even the snippet from King Tut's. Guigsy used to be there - not anymore. Also on the Letterman clip of Morning Glory all you see is an empty drum riser. I don't know why it's been done but I'm guessing we won't be seeing any archive releases anytime soon. Reminds me of the Soviet Union when Stalin had all those who helped him rise to power in the 20s and 30s erased from his historic photos. |
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Post by MONO on Jan 1, 2019 14:38:06 GMT -5
Reminds me of the Soviet Union when Stalin had all those who helped him rise to power in the 20s and 30s erased from his historic photos. There may have been other reasons than financial disputes |
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Post by oasisunited on Jan 1, 2019 17:32:56 GMT -5
guigsysEstring is right about them being bought out of Oasis the company, so editing them out almost certainly isn't for financial reasons. In fact, I just watched Supersonic again the other day (for about the 15th time), and just realized that you hear Guigsy talking about the release of Definitely Maybe right after you see that fan girl call Liam gorgeous, even though you just see Liam signing CDs and shirts. My guess is that the shots used for the Knebworth footage is just an editorial choice, as you hear from Noel, Liam and Bonehead during it. Whitcross probably wanted to keep the talking voices in the shots -- simple as that. They were literally erased out of wider stage shots from Knebworth, Earls Court and even the snippet from King Tut's. Guigsy used to be there - not anymore. Also on the Letterman clip of Morning Glory all you see is an empty drum riser. I don't know why it's been done but I'm guessing we won't be seeing any archive releases anytime soon. I'll have to pay attention the next time I watch. They clearly show Alan "playing" on TOTP, though perhaps since that is mimed it doesn't count towards performance royalties. It's possible that this is an actors union issue and not an Oasis the company issue. I wonder if it was done in order to get their screen time down to avoid having to credit them/pay them for appearing in a film. This seems more plausible to me, especially since this would have been done during editing. |
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Jan 1, 2019 18:57:08 GMT -5
They were literally erased out of wider stage shots from Knebworth, Earls Court and even the snippet from King Tut's. Guigsy used to be there - not anymore. Also on the Letterman clip of Morning Glory all you see is an empty drum riser. I don't know why it's been done but I'm guessing we won't be seeing any archive releases anytime soon. I'll have to pay attention the next time I watch. They clearly show Alan "playing" on TOTP, though perhaps since that is mimed it doesn't count towards performance royalties. It's possible that this is an actors union issue and not an Oasis the company issue. I wonder if it was done in order to get their screen time down to avoid having to credit them/pay them for appearing in a film. This seems more plausible to me, especially since this would have been done during editing. From 2:51 to around 2:55 you can clearly see the "three man Oasis" on stage. It shocked me that something so obvious didn't strike me until I read about it. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 1, 2019 21:09:16 GMT -5
I'll have to pay attention the next time I watch. They clearly show Alan "playing" on TOTP, though perhaps since that is mimed it doesn't count towards performance royalties. It's possible that this is an actors union issue and not an Oasis the company issue. I wonder if it was done in order to get their screen time down to avoid having to credit them/pay them for appearing in a film. This seems more plausible to me, especially since this would have been done during editing. From 2:51 to around 2:55 you can clearly see the "three man Oasis" on stage. It shocked me that something so obvious didn't strike me until I read about it. |
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Post by oasisunited on Jan 1, 2019 21:35:36 GMT -5
I'll have to pay attention the next time I watch. They clearly show Alan "playing" on TOTP, though perhaps since that is mimed it doesn't count towards performance royalties. It's possible that this is an actors union issue and not an Oasis the company issue. I wonder if it was done in order to get their screen time down to avoid having to credit them/pay them for appearing in a film. This seems more plausible to me, especially since this would have been done during editing. From 2:51 to around 2:55 you can clearly see the "three man Oasis" on stage. It shocked me that something so obvious didn't strike me until I read about it. Amazing. I've watched Supersonic probably 10 to 15 times and never noticed that. Come to think of it, did I imagine that Oasis was a 5 piece? Maybe it was just Noel, Liam, Bonehead and a drum machine  . In all seriousness, I bet this has to do more with permission about using live performance clips for people who did not give permission and less to do with having to pay them. If it was the latter, they surely would have paid them in order to get this released. Hell, they let Tony speak in it, so it would be a stretch to say is some sort of sinister or grudge based thing. |
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Post by Flashbax on Jan 1, 2019 21:53:13 GMT -5
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Post by MONO on Jan 2, 2019 3:36:24 GMT -5
don't know why it's been done but I'm guessing we won't be seeing any archive releases anytime soon. Same for me. It's possible that this is an actors union issue and not an Oasis the company issue. I wonder if it was done in order to get their screen time down to avoid having to credit them/pay them for appearing in a film. This seems more plausible to me, especially since this would have been done during editing. No, that's totally implausible In all seriousness, I bet this has to do more with permission about using live performance clips for people who did not give permission and less to do with having to pay them. If it was the latter, they surely would have paid them in order to get this released. Hell, they let Tony speak in it, so it would be a stretch to say is some sort of sinister or grudge based thing. And why would they deny permission/the others chose not to involve them? Money. |
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Post by oasisunited on Jan 2, 2019 8:45:49 GMT -5
don't know why it's been done but I'm guessing we won't be seeing any archive releases anytime soon. Same for me. It's possible that this is an actors union issue and not an Oasis the company issue. I wonder if it was done in order to get their screen time down to avoid having to credit them/pay them for appearing in a film. This seems more plausible to me, especially since this would have been done during editing. No, that's totally implausible In all seriousness, I bet this has to do more with permission about using live performance clips for people who did not give permission and less to do with having to pay them. If it was the latter, they surely would have paid them in order to get this released. Hell, they let Tony speak in it, so it would be a stretch to say is some sort of sinister or grudge based thing. And why would they deny permission/the others chose not to involve them? Money. Who knows what the motivations were. For Alan, it could be just as simple as he wants nothing to do with it because of how it ended. Alan did not go the same route as Tony and sue for additional royalties, so I doubt money is a motivating factor Alan. For Guigsy, I think it really is as simple as not wanting the attention. He also declined to be part if the 10th anniversary video for Definitely Maybe, so he has a track record of not taking part. |
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Post by oasisunited on Jan 2, 2019 8:51:38 GMT -5
popeyebonaparte I've also noticed that Guigsy has been edited out of the Boardwalk rehearsal clips. If you look at the previous clips that surfaced online some years back, Guigsy is to Liam's left between Liam and Tony. In Supersonic, when the camera pans around the band during AATW, we see everyone but Guigsy, as it cuts out before it gets to him. I've been trying to figure out what is going on and it seems like it's another case of him being edited out of a performance piece. Oasis definitely doesn't own the rights to that tape or the King Tuts one, so this does seem like it has something to do with the fact that its video of the band playing live and Guigsy (and Alan) not taking part (again, Tony is shown in both of those clips). Someone should probably tweet at Matt Whitcross and see if he will answer.
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Jan 2, 2019 9:46:05 GMT -5
I can understand that Alan would want to cause as much difficulty for Oasis as a whole after being treated the way he was but I can't understand why Guigs would think not being in a clip from 20+ years ago would change his current chances of being recognized. It's not as if we don't know what he looks like!
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Post by MONO on Jan 2, 2019 10:10:35 GMT -5
That's why I think money is the reason. He certainly wasn't available for new interviews because he basically retired (->Definitely Maybe DVD) and that's why the others only offered a small amount of money for his rights in the existing films so he probably said: nah, in this case better make your movie without me.
Not sure about Alan but I don't know whether there's really so much bad blood that he'd decline a big cheque.
A really interesting topic though and I hope we'll find out more some day.
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Post by oasisunited on Jan 2, 2019 11:04:28 GMT -5
popeyebonaparte mono It's definitely the the root of the question here: why did Alan and Guigsy decline to take part? I remember that Mat Whitcross said they they got close with both of them (from www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=1952):Now granted, I doubt Mat would flat out say "Guigs wanted £2 million and we couldn't afford it". But he does make it a point to say that they got close (meaning that they agreed in principal and were probably haggling over the details) to being in the film. Regardless, it still doesn't make sense why you would see pictures/video of each of them (and hear Guigsy talking from an old clip), but remove them from other clips. The only thing in common I can see with the clips in which they have been removed is that they are actually playing Oasis songs (excluding the TOTP clip where they are miming). Therefore, it must have something to do with live performance video and rules around having to pay each person shown. Since they decided to not take part, perhaps the producers (which included Liam and Noel) decided to avoid having to pay them when those clips were included. Either way, this feels like classic licensing/likeness/royalty/actors union issues with using footage of a person.
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Post by MONO on Jan 2, 2019 11:20:51 GMT -5
They didn't have to be removed from clips for which they already gave their rights away and couldn't demand further royalties. So it definitely makes sense to remove them only from some clips.
It really seems to be a classic money issue. Don't now why you're trying so hard to neagte this and finding other obscure reasons.
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Post by globe on Jan 2, 2019 11:36:05 GMT -5
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Post by oasisunited on Jan 2, 2019 13:03:52 GMT -5
globe Thanks for the link. This is exactly what I was trying to point out. It has nothing to do with Alan or Guigsy being part of Oasis and no longer being part/holding out for money to appear. There are all kinds of rules set forward by the the movie industry and actors unions about being paid for and/or giving permission to appear in a film. My guess all along was that this is the issue -- not due to some demand made by either or them to appear.
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And he did not kill Liam, so he must have been in a pretty good mood!
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