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Post by paul97 on Dec 2, 2018 16:31:57 GMT -5
Why wont they release both gigs (or at least one) remastered with audio and video?
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Post by MONO on Dec 2, 2018 17:17:18 GMT -5
As both Guigsy and Alan White got edited out of the Knebworth footage included in the Supersonic documentary, it's quite likely that financial differences prevent a release.
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 2, 2018 17:49:54 GMT -5
As both Guigsy and Alan White got edited out of the Knebworth footage included in the Supersonic documentary, it's quite likely that financial differences prevent a release. Does anyone know why they don't want to be included, though? |
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Post by matt on Dec 2, 2018 18:33:52 GMT -5
Because we already have the ultimate Oasis gig released with Maine Road.
The size of Knebworth is what is fabled, evidence of Oasis behemoth status at the time. But musically it’s not offering anything we don’t already have so I don’t understand the obsession for it.
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Post by Flashbax on Dec 2, 2018 18:48:20 GMT -5
As both Guigsy and Alan White got edited out of the Knebworth footage included in the Supersonic documentary, it's quite likely that financial differences prevent a release. Does anyone know why they don't want to be included, though? I think it means that Oasis doesn't own the footage of them playing at Knebworth. Maybe guigsysEstring can tell more about this. |
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Post by paul97 on Dec 2, 2018 19:34:04 GMT -5
Because we already have the ultimate Oasis gig released with Maine Road. The size of Knebworth is what is fabled, evidence of Oasis behemoth status at the time. But musically it’s not offering anything we don’t already have so I don’t understand the obsession for it. I’d say musically it’s brilliant and different from other gigs, there’s a great blend of passion and heaviness,, slide away 2nd night, cast no shadow 1st and don’t look back in anger 2nd are just a couple highlights, so worth the release for that side for sure. Also the “this is history!!” And all the banter on stage makes it particularly good, liam came out with a lot of funny stuff both them nights more so than a lot of other gigs. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 2, 2018 19:47:09 GMT -5
Because we already have the ultimate Oasis gig released with Maine Road. The size of Knebworth is what is fabled, evidence of Oasis behemoth status at the time. But musically it’s not offering anything we don’t already have so I don’t understand the obsession for it. I’d say musically it’s brilliant and different from other gigs, there’s a great blend of passion and heaviness,, slide away 2nd night, cast no shadow 1st and don’t look back in anger 2nd are just a couple highlights, so worth the release for that side for sure. Also the “this is history!!” And all the banter on stage makes it particularly good, liam came out with a lot of funny stuff both them nights more so than a lot of other gigs. Instead we got Familar To Millions. A lifeless live album captured when the band was ready to impose prematurely. Loads of bad vibes around the band all spring and summer. Of all gigs to release live. This wouldn’t even make my top 25. |
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Post by MONO on Dec 3, 2018 3:04:20 GMT -5
I think it means that Oasis doesn't own the footage of them playing at Knebworth. Maybe guigsysEstring can tell more about this. Whether Oasis own the footage or not (it's likely that they own it), a release isn't possible without the consent of Alan and Guigs. At least not if they don't want to edit them out of the whole gig  |
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Post by paul97 on Dec 3, 2018 4:55:36 GMT -5
I’d say musically it’s brilliant and different from other gigs, there’s a great blend of passion and heaviness,, slide away 2nd night, cast no shadow 1st and don’t look back in anger 2nd are just a couple highlights, so worth the release for that side for sure. Also the “this is history!!” And all the banter on stage makes it particularly good, liam came out with a lot of funny stuff both them nights more so than a lot of other gigs. Instead we got Familar To Millions. A lifeless live album captured when the band was ready to impose prematurely. Loads of bad vibes around the band all spring and summer. Of all gigs to release live. This wouldn’t even make my top 25. [ How exactly is it lifeless? It’s pretty rock n roll as far as I’m concerned, the band seemed really into it. Rock n roll star an cigs an alc at that gig are among the best versions ever. |
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Post by mimmihopps on Dec 3, 2018 5:08:35 GMT -5
I agree with Lennon2217. Oasis could have released a better, a way better live album than Familiar To Millions post 2000. |
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Post by Flashbax on Dec 3, 2018 7:50:30 GMT -5
I’d say musically it’s brilliant and different from other gigs, there’s a great blend of passion and heaviness,, slide away 2nd night, cast no shadow 1st and don’t look back in anger 2nd are just a couple highlights, so worth the release for that side for sure. Also the “this is history!!” And all the banter on stage makes it particularly good, liam came out with a lot of funny stuff both them nights more so than a lot of other gigs. Instead we got Familar To Millions. A lifeless live album captured when the band was ready to impose prematurely. Loads of bad vibes around the band all spring and summer. Of all gigs to release live. This wouldn’t even make my top 25. Noel looks like he is having the time of his life. 10 times better than at COMS in 2005. And the performances of Gas Panic! & Cigarettes & Alcohol are their best versions imo. But I agree with you that it's weird to release a live album of a tour that was horrible for Oasis. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 3, 2018 10:22:29 GMT -5
Instead we got Familar To Millions. A lifeless live album captured when the band was ready to impose prematurely. Loads of bad vibes around the band all spring and summer. Of all gigs to release live. This wouldn’t even make my top 25. [ How exactly is it lifeless? It’s pretty rock n roll as far as I’m concerned, the band seemed really into it. Rock n roll star an cigs an alc at that gig are among the best versions ever. I probably haven’t watched it since 2002 but I don’t recall the band members looking too happy outside Liam but he was more goofy angry than pure happy. He was a train wreck the following night which was supposed to be the gig they released. Both filmed. There are just so many bad vibes swirling around this band at the time. Oasis had just come off a European tour that Noel walked out on. Noel and Liam not on speaking terms all summer. It felt like a band that really was for once going to breakup. It hungover everything like a black cloud. I was surprised when they announced it as a live album. So many other better choices. You know with the band members from their glory day. Not the back 9. |
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Post by frogerz on Dec 3, 2018 14:29:17 GMT -5
I think it means that Oasis doesn't own the footage of them playing at Knebworth. Maybe guigsysEstring can tell more about this. Whether Oasis own the footage or not (it's likely that they own it), a release isn't possible without the consent of Alan and Guigs. At least not if they don't want to edit them out of the whole gig I found it really odd they declined to be in Supersonic. Why you would turn down a big moment on an international release is beyond me. Even if they disagreed with the pay for Knebworth it's better than getting nowt like they are now. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 3, 2018 14:43:45 GMT -5
Whether Oasis own the footage or not (it's likely that they own it), a release isn't possible without the consent of Alan and Guigs. At least not if they don't want to edit them out of the whole gig I found it really odd they declined to be in Supersonic. Why you would turn down a big moment on an international release is beyond me. Even if they disagreed with the pay for Knebworth it's better than getting nowt like they are now. Just shows how much bad blood there is to pass on that opportunity. Speaks volumes actually. |
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Post by Flashbax on Dec 3, 2018 16:24:37 GMT -5
I found it really odd they declined to be in Supersonic. Why you would turn down a big moment on an international release is beyond me. Even if they disagreed with the pay for Knebworth it's better than getting nowt like they are now. Just shows how much bad blood there is to pass on that opportunity. Speaks volumes actually. I would love to know what really happened between Alan White and tbe Gallaghers. And I would love to know the full story of the departure of Bonehead and Guigsy. Especially the way how Guigsy left. |
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Post by mouth on Dec 3, 2018 16:55:25 GMT -5
Just shows how much bad blood there is to pass on that opportunity. Speaks volumes actually. I would love to know what really happened between Alan White and tbe Gallaghers. And I would love to know the full story of the departure of Bonehead and Guigsy. Especially the way how Guigsy left. drop liam a tweet. he might even answer back. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 3, 2018 20:25:27 GMT -5
Does anyone know why they don't want to be included, though? I think it means that Oasis doesn't own the footage of them playing at Knebworth. Maybe guigsysEstring can tell more about this. As previously mentioned by other posters Oasis do own the Knebworth footage, which is confirmed by this Channel 4 piece on the event at the time when the broadcaster states that the footage is Oasis's own and (at the time) they were going to release a concert video- As to the reasons for not releasing the concert it could have been the band, in particular Noel who called most if not all the shots by then, not being happy with the footage and/or performance versus say Maine Road. A second reason could be after the MTV and subsequent US tour issues which saw the band regroup for the 'Be Here Now' sessions there may have been a desire to draw a line under WTSMG? led promotions and move forward with new material. Beady’s Here Now Guigs and Alan White as far as I am aware were both bought out of the Oasis partnership following their respective departures, with the latter reportedly paid £348,000 for his interests. This could negate royalties on new material such as the release of an official Knebworth package, and with neither man a songwriter no publishing credits would be due either. Due to the manner of the departures with Guigs taking no part in any post-Oasis promotions bar his letter on the Definitely Maybe DVD and Alan's very acrimonious split from the band they may simply not wish for these personal reasons and with little or no financial reward to participate in any such release. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 3, 2018 20:37:25 GMT -5
Just shows how much bad blood there is to pass on that opportunity. Speaks volumes actually. I would love to know what really happened between Alan White and tbe Gallaghers. And I would love to know the full story of the departure of Bonehead and Guigsy. Especially the way how Guigsy left. Steve White gave his verdict on his brother's sacking to Zani (reprinted by Music Radar) in 2008- |
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Post by mossy on Dec 4, 2018 5:31:17 GMT -5
I’d say musically it’s brilliant and different from other gigs, there’s a great blend of passion and heaviness,, slide away 2nd night, cast no shadow 1st and don’t look back in anger 2nd are just a couple highlights, so worth the release for that side for sure. Also the “this is history!!” And all the banter on stage makes it particularly good, liam came out with a lot of funny stuff both them nights more so than a lot of other gigs. Instead we got Familar To Millions. A lifeless live album captured when the band was ready to impose prematurely. Loads of bad vibes around the band all spring and summer. Of all gigs to release live. This wouldn’t even make my top 25. Without meaning to derail the thread, what are your top 25? Or even top 10? (I’ve never been a huge collector of their live bootlegs, mainly just the gigs I went to and a few classics). Cheers. X |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 4, 2018 15:00:30 GMT -5
I’d say musically it’s brilliant and different from other gigs, there’s a great blend of passion and heaviness,, slide away 2nd night, cast no shadow 1st and don’t look back in anger 2nd are just a couple highlights, so worth the release for that side for sure. Also the “this is history!!” And all the banter on stage makes it particularly good, liam came out with a lot of funny stuff both them nights more so than a lot of other gigs. Instead we got Familar To Millions. A lifeless live album captured when the band was ready to impose prematurely. Loads of bad vibes around the band all spring and summer. Of all gigs to release live. This wouldn’t even make my top 25. Noel is on record in a video interview stating that Wembley 2000 was going to be bootlegged or summat so he wanted to make cash off of it for that reason and that’s why we got FTM. I’ll let guigsysEstring verify this as I can’t remember the interview. But I do know for sure that Noel is on record regarding this type of statement mentioned above. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 4, 2018 16:11:41 GMT -5
Instead we got Familar To Millions. A lifeless live album captured when the band was ready to impose prematurely. Loads of bad vibes around the band all spring and summer. Of all gigs to release live. This wouldn’t even make my top 25. Noel is on record in a video interview stating that Wembley 2000 was going to be bootlegged or summat so he wanted to make cash off of it for that reason and that’s why we got FTM. I’ll let guigsysEstring verify this as I can’t remember the interview. But I do know for sure that Noel is on record regarding this type of statement mentioned above. All gigs on radio and tv get bootlegged. This has been going on for Oasis and almost every band. Shouldn’t really matter too much. Maybe it was to mask the disaster of night 2 from becoming the go to memory of the shows. |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 4, 2018 16:12:22 GMT -5
Noel is on record in a video interview stating that Wembley 2000 was going to be bootlegged or summat so he wanted to make cash off of it for that reason and that’s why we got FTM. I’ll let guigsysEstring verify this as I can’t remember the interview. But I do know for sure that Noel is on record regarding this type of statement mentioned above. I remember him talking about it last year to Radio X where he talks about both Wembley nights and the whole weekend in general being the "low point" in Oasis career for him during a video interview with the radio station- Radio X Noel Gallagher on FTMIf that's not the one I'll have a dig later on- I have a memory that he thought the "glorious" second night (attended by yours truly  ) and broadcast by Sky would be the bootlegged version. |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 4, 2018 16:35:02 GMT -5
Noel is on record in a video interview stating that Wembley 2000 was going to be bootlegged or summat so he wanted to make cash off of it for that reason and that’s why we got FTM. I’ll let guigsysEstring verify this as I can’t remember the interview. But I do know for sure that Noel is on record regarding this type of statement mentioned above. All gigs on radio and tv get bootlegged. This has been going on for Oasis and almost every band. Shouldn’t really matter too much. Maybe it was to mask the disaster of night 2 from becoming the go to memory of the shows. The above video isn't available in my country. Fucking America, aye. I think it might have been that since Wembley 2000 was going to be bootlegged via audio only. So to beat the bootleggers to it, Noel wanted to release an official DVD to make money off of it, since it was going to be bootlegged anyway. I do agree with you, all Oasis material gets bootlegged in one way or another. But then also remember that the year 2000 was still all too new with the internet, we all still had dial up at the time, so it was a different era to the ease of access we have now. guigsysEstring |
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Post by guigsysEstring on Dec 4, 2018 16:41:13 GMT -5
The above video isn't available in my country. Fucking America, aye. I think it might have been that since Wembley 2000 was going to be bootlegged via audio only. So to beat the bootleggers to it, Noel wanted to release an official DVD to make money off of it, since it was going to be bootlegged anyway. I do agree with you, all Oasis material gets bootlegged in one way or another. But then also remember that the year 2000 was still all too new with the internet, we all still had dial up at the time, so it was a different era to the ease of access we have now. guigsysEstring I remember the glory days of dial up internet yep The flip side of course is in those and also the pre-internet days bootlegs were far more profitable, with dedicated labels such as Kiss The Stone Records churning out live recordings and such by being based in Italy where IIRC the law allowed this as long as artist royalties were made available via an escrow account. Ah the murky days of illicit recordings for money....I was able to pick up a Kiss The Stone release of Knebworth in the nineties called '250,000 Oasis Fans Can't Be Wrong' from a second hand record shop   |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Dec 4, 2018 16:44:29 GMT -5
Also, I've watched Liam's antics on the second night. There are 4 part to the video below for a total of around 30 minutes of Liam ranting all sorts of nonsense.
I personally love a bit of Liam gibberish that he engaged in during the 1990s, and kind of miss that he no longer does it (although more recently it has been brought back).
But the second night was over the top and while it may be hilarious looking at it now, I would have been incredibly angry if I paid good money to attend that gig.
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) and broadcast by Sky would be the bootlegged version.
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