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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 2, 2018 18:43:27 GMT -5
I can’t believe time has passed that quickly. I still remember driving to the mall at age 17 to buy this the day it came out. So hard for USA fans to get these b-sides without paying huge import mark ups of $25-30 for 4 tracks. Crazy man, crazy. I didn’t know it at the time but this really was the end of an era. Oasis would never be that original band I fell in love with ever again. Some good memories and songs no doubt but this was their swan song. I miss them. Dearly. www.stereogum.com/2021341/oasis-masterplan-turns-20/franchises/the-anniversary/
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Post by matt on Nov 2, 2018 19:30:57 GMT -5
It’s my favourite compilation of all time and maybe the best representation of Oasis ever in that it boils down all the essential components into one disc. And yet, it still could have been better. As that article suggest, I’d have definitely found room for D’Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman and Round Are Way. The Swamp Song, a cool filler at best, should have been chucked off, and as much as I like it, probably the I Am The Walrus cover (for a start it would have taken attention away from the Beatles obsession).
I don’t really subscribe to the argument that they should have saved up all their b-sides for the third album. The magic of all that material compressed into a few years is extraordinary, and without those b-sides, all those classic gigs from 94-96 would have lacked something. Part of the magic was the sheer vast wealth of material that was on offer and they only added to the hype and obsession. Perhaps the lack of availability of b-sides is just one of the contributing factors as to why the US never really got Oasis as much as they should have as they weren’t exposed to it as much as everyone in the U.K.
For as brief as it was though, I’d rather see a band peak like that spectacularly rather than just draw it out for a few more years but without that sense of expectation and ultimate hype.
Interestingly, that article talks of Noel claiming during Be Here Now era that those three albums would mark a trilogy after which they would ‘revamp their sound’. I still believe things were salvageable after Be Here Now though but that lay with Noel parking his ego aside and swallowing a bit of pride. As much as he was engrossed in his own ego, Noel surely should have had the self-awareness to realise that the potential of revamping the sound lay with other people aside from himself. There’s very very very few artists who have that level of versatility to do things completely by themselves (of complete creative control and drastic stylistic changes, I can only really think of Kate Bush), and if you look at all the big successful reinventions such as The Beatles, Bowie, U2 and Radiohead, they all relied on collaborative efforts within the band themselves and/or the producers they hired.
The brutal fact is that Noel could have done a lot better than hiring a washed up Andy Bell who had just recently been in the dire Hurricane #1 and some bloke from the extremely uncool Heavy Stereo that only ‘yer da’ was a fan of. He should have hired real virtuosos who had creative ideas to bring reality to his vision along with a producer of the highest esteem.
It’s a shame Noel wasn’t licking Bono’s arse in the 90s after Be Here Now, because in the words of Bono after the similarly received bloated Rattle & Hum, it should have been the time to ‘go away and dream it all up again’. I don’t know why people would have had an adverse reaction to change in the music - there’s no way they could have continued that immense peak so why not reboot the whole thing? It would have still been the bare components of Noel and Liam’s swagger but with an added twist counted as ‘evolution’. It may also have well and truly cemented their place as the all encompassing smash hit yet, importantly, pioneering band of the 90s (instead Radiohead took that accolade). Sadly, we got largely dreariness and inconsequential retreads, save for a few sparkles here and there.
Everything after Be Here Now was only ever a distant echo of the past. I didn’t want to pine for the past when listening to Oasis (which is what happened after every single album post-BHN), I wanted to live in the present and experience new sounds and new emotions, but still wrapped up in the familiar swagger of the brothers. For all that success in the 90s, it’s almost stupid to say ‘missed opportunity’ but for all the talent Noel possessed, it’s also easy to think otherwise.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 2, 2018 21:33:34 GMT -5
Round Are Way 100% should have been on it.
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 2, 2018 23:50:00 GMT -5
Only bought it in 2002, first I couldn't find it anywhere in my town, second I read in a magazine that it was a compilation of "discarded" songs, so I thought it was a bunch of bad songs for some reason, so I kind of ignored it.
Then I finally found it in a store on those best price bins, so went home and put it on my discman, oh my, man listening to it was like finding a treasure chest with gold, I couldn't believe it, I wondered how they left those songs out of their proper albums, are they crazy? so many outstanding songs, I even recognised some songs like Acquiesce and Half The World Away which I've heard somewhere else.
Because of this I see TM as a treasure chest for those willing to dig deeper into Oasis career, for me it was the moment that made me feel special to be an Oasis fan.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 3, 2018 0:08:43 GMT -5
Only bought it in 2002, first I couldn't find it anywhere in my town, second I read in a magazine that it was a compilation of "discarded" songs, so I thought it was a bunch of bad songs for some reason, so I kind of ignored it. Then I finally found it in a store on those best price bins, so went home and put it on my discman, oh my, man listening to it was like finding a treasure chest with gold, I couldn't believe it, I wondered how they left those songs out of their proper albums, are they crazy? so many outstanding songs, I even recognised some songs like Acquiesce and Half The World Away which I've heard somewhere else. Because of this I see TM as a treasure chest for those willing to dig deeper into Oasis career, for me it was the moment that made me feel special to be an Oasis fan. Perfect word choice.
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Post by freddy838 on Nov 3, 2018 4:45:46 GMT -5
Yep whenever people tell me Oasis had two good albums and that was it, it's The Masterplan album that really cements their place as one of the greatest bands of all time for me. An insanely brilliant collection of songs.
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Post by bathqueen1 on Nov 3, 2018 4:54:29 GMT -5
Bought this before even knowing what a bside is. Open with Acquiesce, Ends with The masterplan, and has Listen Up in the middle.
who need more than that
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Post by fabulousbakers on Nov 3, 2018 5:36:52 GMT -5
...So hard for USA fans to get these b-sides without paying huge import mark ups of $25-30 for 4 tracks... And if you wanted all their b-sides then this album was of no help at all. You still had to buy all the singles.
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 3, 2018 7:27:40 GMT -5
Good bands care for B-sides as much as for A-sides, that's what young Noel Gallagher learned from his favourite bands in his youth (The Jam and The Smiths). Oasis in 1995 started the gig with 2 B-side songs (Swamp Song and Acquiesce). Noel started Chasing Yesterday tour leg 1 with a bonus track (Do The Damage). I wish he would have such a guts again.
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Post by Aman on Nov 3, 2018 8:16:12 GMT -5
Remember downloading it off Limewire or Kazaa around 2003 maybe and just being blown away. 👐
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Post by beentherenow on Nov 3, 2018 9:27:23 GMT -5
This was the 2nd Oasis album I brought after sotsog (long story why I brought he albums in this order) in 2000. Up until this point the 14 year old me, thought B-Sides were cast offs, songs which weren’t good enough to make the album.
Then Aquiesce started and my opinion was changed forever. If it was a studio album it’d be their best
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 3, 2018 10:10:14 GMT -5
Let us not forget how awesome the Oasis logo was for this compilation and also the art direction overall. Brian Cannon was definitely a huge part in shaping the Oasis visual narrative in the 90s. Never dug the majority of artwork post 2000 or that failed attempt at a new logo.
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Post by daviesh on Nov 3, 2018 10:26:00 GMT -5
I think the original intentions for the different logos was for them to represent the different eras and sets of albums Noel planned to put out. The logos would change in line with the band's sound.
The first three albums had the classic logo. Thr master plan had a unique logo, as it was a unique one off album.
SOTSOG had the new '2000's' logo which was due to be on the next trilogy of album which would have a more experimental sound. This was the plan. When Bone and Guiggs left this, which has been documented, derailed the group a little. SOTSOG was never quite realised in the way it had been imagined.
Therefore the logo idea was scrapped.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 3, 2018 10:48:38 GMT -5
I think the original intentions for the different logos was for them to represent the different eras and sets of albums Noel planned to put out. The logos would change in line with the band's sound. The first three albums had the classic logo. Thr master plan had a unique logo, as it was a unique one off album. SOTSOG had the new '2000's' logo which was due to be on the next trilogy of album which would have a more experimental sound. This was the plan. When Bone and Guiggs left this, which has been documented, derailed the group a little. SOTSOG was never quite realised in the way it had been imagined. Therefore the logo idea was scrapped. To be fair, SOTSOG was about 90% recorded or more when Bonehead and Guigs departed. They didn’t contribute much to anything with the overall sound of the band in studio so them leaving didn’t really impact SOTSOG. Noel was already playing all the big bass parts in studio and he simply recorded new guitar parts in place of Bonehead. No biggie. What killed the album’s concept was the songs available. Noel was struggling with writing compelling tunes and a lot of his material was downbeat. That was totally different vibe from the fist pumping anthems of the previous 6-8 years. Nothing was saving SOTSOG (which honestly isn’t bad at all) except better material. Perhaps Oasis needed another year off. They certainly deserved it but this was when Oasis stopped being a band and slowly became a brand.
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 3, 2018 14:06:39 GMT -5
I think the original intentions for the different logos was for them to represent the different eras and sets of albums Noel planned to put out. The logos would change in line with the band's sound. The first three albums had the classic logo. Thr master plan had a unique logo, as it was a unique one off album. SOTSOG had the new '2000's' logo which was due to be on the next trilogy of album which would have a more experimental sound. This was the plan. When Bone and Guiggs left this, which has been documented, derailed the group a little. SOTSOG was never quite realised in the way it had been imagined. Therefore the logo idea was scrapped. To be fair, SOTSOG was about 90% recorded or more when Bonehead and Guigs departed. They didn’t contribute much to anything with the overall sound of the band in studio so them leaving didn’t really impact SOTSOG. Noel was already playing all the big bass parts in studio and he simply recorded new guitar parts in place of Bonehead. No biggie. What killed the album’s concept with the songs. Noel was struggling with writing compelling tunes and a lot of his material was downbeat. That was totally different vibe from the fist pumping anthems of the previous 6-8 years. Nothing was saving SOTSOG (which honestly isn’t bad at all) except better material. Perhaps Oasis needed another year off. They certainly deserved it but this was when Oasis stopped being a band and slowly became a brand. Noel once said he worked harder on SOTSOG than anything before or since, much because he had to re-record all songs again because of copyrights issues, he even handed some instruments to some assitants to help him out, that situation must have given to him a huge fatigue to the point of not caring much about the album's quality control I guess.
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Post by eva on Nov 3, 2018 14:16:44 GMT -5
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 3, 2018 15:10:44 GMT -5
To be fair, SOTSOG was about 90% recorded or more when Bonehead and Guigs departed. They didn’t contribute much to anything with the overall sound of the band in studio so them leaving didn’t really impact SOTSOG. Noel was already playing all the big bass parts in studio and he simply recorded new guitar parts in place of Bonehead. No biggie. What killed the album’s concept with the songs. Noel was struggling with writing compelling tunes and a lot of his material was downbeat. That was totally different vibe from the fist pumping anthems of the previous 6-8 years. Nothing was saving SOTSOG (which honestly isn’t bad at all) except better material. Perhaps Oasis needed another year off. They certainly deserved it but this was when Oasis stopped being a band and slowly became a brand. Noel once said he worked harder on SOTSOG than anything before or since, much because he had to re-record all songs again because of copyrights issues, he even handed some instruments to some assitants to help him out, that situation must have given to him a huge fatigue to the point of not caring much about the album's quality control I guess. I’m not sure how much Bonehead leaving impacted SOTSOG. We know he played almost all the bass prior to Guigs departing. Probably factored in a tad. Unlike BHN, this album doesn’t have a ton of guitars. Certainly nothing like the dozen plus players of guitar God rock Noel laid down for BHN. SOTSOG is way more simple and direct. I don’t imagine too much Bonehead to begin with. Pretty easy to just redo any of his parts.
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 3, 2018 23:23:23 GMT -5
This was the album that turned me from big Oasis fan into complete mad fer it. I started to track down the remaining bsides (digitally until I could find the physical ones, which was quite a treasure hunt in those days before everything was available online).
If I could only listen to one album for the rest of my life it would be this one. A true treasure chest, as its been said. This album encompasses all that is Oasis, especially why they are so loved by their fans.
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Post by rekrelf on Nov 4, 2018 1:44:23 GMT -5
Bought this at the day of release when I was 15. Stayed away from school to get this directly when the record shop opened. They still had it stored in a blue big box with the new releases they got the evening before. Good old days!!! 🙌❤
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Post by thomuk2006 on Nov 4, 2018 3:30:26 GMT -5
Didn't buy it till a year or two later.... had all the singles... so didn't see the point
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Post by morning_rain on Nov 4, 2018 7:45:38 GMT -5
When I first started listening to Oasis (2001/2002) my only source of music were P2P software like Kazaa and I didn't even knew which songs were on wich albums, I simply typed "Oasis" and downloaded all I was able to with my shitty connection at the time.
Then slowly I started purchasing all the main albums and bought The Masterplan without knowing it was a compilation. I loved every song, the artwork, everything. Then I was shocked to discover it wasn't a "real" album, still am to this day.
Time has passed and I've broaden my music tastes but I have yet to discover another band with b-sides of the same quality as Oasis.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2018 15:16:14 GMT -5
This was the album that turned me from big Oasis fan into complete mad fer it. I started to track down the remaining bsides (digitally until I could find the physical ones, which was quite a treasure hunt in those days before everything was available online). If I could only listen to one album for the rest of my life it would be this one. A true treasure chest, as its been said. This album encompasses all that is Oasis, especially why they are so loved by their fans. I can only echo this. Summer 2014, really discovering Oasis catalogue. I had all those songs on repeat for months and months. I love them all. I actually discovered "The Masterplan" before Be Here Now. Oh and on the subject "Round Are Way", I must be in the minority but it's one of my least favourite 90's tracks. I'm fine with it not being on the compilation.
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Post by Aman on Nov 4, 2018 16:14:47 GMT -5
Quality article. 👌 Enjoyed that.
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Post by fartpanic on Nov 4, 2018 19:15:47 GMT -5
As a fan who isn't old enough to have seen the band in this era, it really is a great read hearing all the stories from people buying the album on release.
It's probably the biggest gripe I have as an Oasis fan. Why were these songs b-sides, why did no one stop them being b-sides! How many of you have had to put up with the "oasis only had 2 good albums" remark? It gets so tiresome having to mention the b-sides. People will say they're still available but clearly they go unheard of.
The only time I can see the benefit of it was using Stay Young as the Dyou Know What I mean b-side. That single release was clearly like a huge event and anyone interested in the band would get to hear it.
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Nov 5, 2018 17:30:48 GMT -5
As a fan who isn't old enough to have seen the band in this era, it really is a great read hearing all the stories from people buying the album on release. It's probably the biggest gripe I have as an Oasis fan. Why were these songs b-sides, why did no one stop them being b-sides! How many of you have had to put up with the "oasis only had 2 good albums" remark? It gets so tiresome having to mention the b-sides. People will say they're still available but clearly they go unheard of. The only time I can see the benefit of it was using Stay Young as the Dyou Know What I mean b-side. That single release was clearly like a huge event and anyone interested in the band would get to hear it. That's part of the charm though i think, that not everything is thrown in people's faces and they can find great songs by looking and discovering. it's a shame that doesn't exist anymore in music, finding great songs as track 3 or 4 on a single. Do B-sides even exist now? - it seems bands just release an album and stick a few bonus tracks on the end. i hate that actually, especially on things like Apple Music where there's no indication of where the album ends and the bonus material starts, so a lot of people who are not aware might just think those songs are part of an album. i think it diminishes the album as an entity. The arrogance of youth too, maybe that has something to do with it. i suppose when you're churning out good songs on a regular basis and it comes easy to you, you don't foresee that your quality is going to drop. i think Noel would (maybe has) say the same.
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