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Post by fartpanic on Nov 5, 2018 21:27:47 GMT -5
As a fan who isn't old enough to have seen the band in this era, it really is a great read hearing all the stories from people buying the album on release. It's probably the biggest gripe I have as an Oasis fan. Why were these songs b-sides, why did no one stop them being b-sides! How many of you have had to put up with the "oasis only had 2 good albums" remark? It gets so tiresome having to mention the b-sides. People will say they're still available but clearly they go unheard of. The only time I can see the benefit of it was using Stay Young as the Dyou Know What I mean b-side. That single release was clearly like a huge event and anyone interested in the band would get to hear it. That's part of the charm though i think, that not everything is thrown in people's faces and they can find great songs by looking and discovering. it's a shame that doesn't exist anymore in music, finding great songs as track 3 or 4 on a single. Do B-sides even exist now? - it seems bands just release an album and stick a few bonus tracks on the end. i hate that actually, especially on things like Apple Music where there's no indication of where the album ends and the bonus material starts, so a lot of people who are not aware might just think those songs are part of an album. i think it diminishes the album as an entity. The arrogance of youth too, maybe that has something to do with it. i suppose when you're churning out good songs on a regular basis and it comes easy to you, you don't foresee that your quality is going to drop. i think Noel would (maybe has) say the same. I hear you. But I've had enough time to think about this and after countless discussions with people, i really do wish that Oasis put all their greatness onto their albums. You only have to look at the likes of Magic Pie, Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is, I Can See A Liar etc. People latch on to general consensus from reviewers etc. It's sad but that's the way life is, and reviwers couldn't wait to come crashing down on the Gallaghers. Listen Up and The Masterplan and the rest would have been another Morning Glory style fuck you to anyone who doubted them and even further enhanced the legacy. I do get your point though. I have never discovered so many great songs id never heard as much as I did Oasis. Not even the Beatles. I just couldn't believe the quality of these songs that no one had even mentioned to me before. If anything that's why theyll never be another Oasis again. |
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Post by underneaththesky on Nov 5, 2018 22:41:37 GMT -5
left college at the break during first class round 9h30 to go buy it. already had all the singles, except Cigs & Alcohol so I think it was the first time I've heard Listen Up and Fade Away. Mental.
best band EVER to me. 94-97 CHASING THE SUN indeed
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 5, 2018 23:28:43 GMT -5
We all know those great b-sides were part of Oasis success, but many of them like HTWA, RC, TM, Acquiesce... they deserved a better fate imo.
No I'm not talking about saving them for BHN, I'm saying that they even could have pick all those songs and released a new album in 1996, would have been another classic album. Is this too much? Maybe, but they had the songs.
Another thing, why putting 3 b-sides per single?
Bands at the time usually put either one or two b-sides per single like Blur and Suede (another band with otstanding b-sides), but Oasis wasted three per single, that's too much.
Take The Masterplan for instance, if you ever meet Noel face to face and say the words "The Masterplan", he will probably give you a hug, rest his head on your shoulder, cry and say "I know, I'm sorry, I'm sorry".
The Masterplan is the song Noel truly regret putting it as a b-side, it's stunningly great, it's not only an A-side material, potentially it could have been as big as DLBIA, alone it's better than some bands entire discographies, we all know the song, but general public and even some casual fans doesn't even know it exist.
Noel put it's name on the compilation as an excuse for being only a b-side, they even did a video for it to promote Stop The Clocks, ways to give the song some justice.
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Post by shannee on Nov 5, 2018 23:43:37 GMT -5
No I completely disagree. Having lived through it, the b-sides were what made oasis so, so special. They were like a gift from the band just for fans. There was nothing like finding those gems on the back of a single. I bought every one I could find as they came out, which was not easy living all the way up in Seattle and being poor as shit. But spending the entire day on a bus to get to town and scrapping together every penny after working graveyard at a donut shop was fucking worth it!
And the Masterplan encapsulates all of that and those memories for me. If I could only have one Oasis album, the MP would be it.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2018 8:17:10 GMT -5
No I completely disagree. Having lived through it, the b-sides were what made oasis so, so special. They were like a gift from the band just for fans. There was nothing like finding those gems on the back of a single. I bought every one I could find as they came out, which was not easy living all the way up in Seattle and being poor as shit. But spending the entire day on a bus to get to town and scrapping together every penny after working graveyard at a donut shop was fucking worth it! And the Masterplan encapsulates all of that and those memories for me. If I could only have one Oasis album, the MP would be it. I agree. It’s too easy twenty years later to play “coulda, woulda, shoulda”. Gotta judge this in the context of its time. Noel was on an epic purple patch run. The classics were just flowing out of him and killer b-sides were part of the lore. There was a brief time when I thought the man was incapable of writing a bad tune. I was wrong but for a moment it felt true. Oasis just needed an extended break after BHN. That’s the only thing I’d have changed. Granted try telling 17 year old me that Oasis’ fourth album wouldn’t be out until 2001 or 2002. I’d gave died in 1999. |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Nov 6, 2018 8:40:21 GMT -5
Mentioned this before, but, the official Oasis website let fans suggest the songs they wanted on The Masterplan....
God bless.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2018 9:45:40 GMT -5
Mentioned this before, but, the official Oasis website let fans suggest the songs they wanted on The Masterplan.... God bless. Noel reading the results....  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 10:29:41 GMT -5
I defy anyone who thinks that the "fans" chose The Swamp Song and I Am The Walrus for inclusion.
It makes no sense. Then again, maybe the fans are collectively daft.
The "album" is a far more enjoyable listen without those two sitting in the middle muddling things up.
All that said, The Masterplan was a God send to US fans who couldn't get most of the singles at the time.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 6, 2018 12:54:44 GMT -5
I defy anyone who thinks that the "fans" chose The Swamp Song and I Am The Walrus for inclusion. It makes no sense. Then again, maybe the fans are collectively daft. The "album" is a far more enjoyable listen without those two sitting in the middle muddling things up. All that said, The Masterplan was a God send to US fans who couldn't get most of the singles at the time. I don’t recall them revealing the results of the poll. Noel definitely had final say and did whatever he ultimately wanted. The poll probably was a farce to begin with. |
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Post by Let It🩸 on Nov 6, 2018 15:57:49 GMT -5
I defy anyone who thinks that the "fans" chose The Swamp Song and I Am The Walrus for inclusion. It makes no sense. Then again, maybe the fans are collectively daft. The "album" is a far more enjoyable listen without those two sitting in the middle muddling things up. All that said, The Masterplan was a God send to US fans who couldn't get most of the singles at the time. I don’t recall them revealing the results of the poll. Noel definitely had final say and did whatever he ultimately wanted. The poll probably was a farce to begin with. I actually listed Swamp Song and I Am The Walrus on my track list for the competition, in that order; but, like you said, I doubt the fan lists were taken seriously. I also hadn't heard all the b-sides at that point, and think I even noted that when compiling my list.... Much different time then, home computers and internet weren't in every household; I, in fact, filled out the track listing on a friend's computer.... There wasn't even HD tube porn back then.......the dark ages. God bless. |
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Post by Parka Flames on Nov 6, 2018 17:04:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Round Are Way was left off this CD? It was played live a lot around '96.
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Post by funhouse on Nov 6, 2018 17:12:42 GMT -5
The I Am The Walrus cover is awesome and 100% deserves its place on the album.
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Post by Aman on Nov 6, 2018 17:16:20 GMT -5
I can never make my mind up on Round Our Way.
Sometimes I like it, sometimes it grates me.
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 6, 2018 19:20:09 GMT -5
I Am The Walrus is a fantastic cover, I love it, there is that Beatles obsession criticism but I don't mind.
My problem is with The Swamp Song, it's just an ok track, not memorable, I think either Round Are Way or Spaceman (or both) should have been on it instead.
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 6, 2018 19:22:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Round Are Way was left off this CD? It was played live a lot around '96. Noel doesn't like it. |
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Nov 6, 2018 19:30:11 GMT -5
Does anyone know why Round Are Way was left off this CD? It was played live a lot around '96. Noel doesn't like it. Where have you heard that? |
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Post by jupi on Nov 7, 2018 3:48:12 GMT -5
IIRC the results of the poll were somewhere online but I can't find it now. :/ Instead I found this interview about compiling the tracklist: the most popular selections would comprise the tracklisting (as far as Noel can recall, the top three punters' choices were "Acquiesce". "I Am The Walrus" and "The Masterplan"). To these were added some of the band's preferences - "Stay Young" is on the LP only because Liam rang up Noel in a strop after it was initially excluded; "The Swamp Song" got nul points from the kids but the bloke who wrote it reckons it's top, so there it is - and the de rigeur pretentious sleeve artwork to complete a nice little Christmas present for Alan McGee and a handy money-saver for Americans forced to hunt down UK singles on import, not to mention a heady romp down memory lane for everyone else. |
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Post by beentherenow on Nov 7, 2018 14:16:07 GMT -5
Quite how or why D’Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman isn’t on the album is quite strange,
It’s obviously held in very high regard by Liam, Noel and every fan I’ve spoke to. Not sure what it’d replace saying that though
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Post by Flashbax on Nov 7, 2018 20:33:00 GMT -5
I don't mind The Swamp Song, but it should have been as the first track, and it would have been cool if they edited it that it would fade into Acquiesce like the live version. I always skip it in the middle of the album. Same for I Am the Walrus, should have been the last track or excluded.
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 7, 2018 22:22:34 GMT -5
Where have you heard that? He is not too keen on some Oasis tracks, RAW is one of them. |
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Post by Aman on Nov 8, 2018 3:06:48 GMT -5
Remember he once said Stay Young was too jolly or something, probably thinks even lower for Round Our Way.
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Post by globe on Nov 8, 2018 4:04:03 GMT -5
I bought all the singles as they came out so when Masterplan was released I bought the vinyl box set for my collection but never played it. It was only quite a few years later that I listened to it as a complete album when I eventually bought it on CD. Imagine this had been their third album instead of BHN. Amazing.
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Post by nutsngum on Nov 11, 2018 16:41:03 GMT -5
I got this the week it came out - it got to #2 because U2's 1980-1990 best of beat it to the top spot. I would have been...11 I think at the time? I only knew some of the b-sides from Real Audio files from 'Amos' Oasis page' on geocities (an incredible resource to 11-year-old me!) www.oocities.org/sunsetstrip/studio/6627/oindex.html and knew Acquiesce and The Masterplan from a tape of Knebworth my cousin gave me, taped off the radio! Anyway - as others have echoed, I don't agree on reflection they should have saved these songs for a third album. It was part of the charm. If you think about it, for 2 years straight, Oasis were releasing a single every 3 months and it had at LEAST 2 probably 3 incredible songs on it. Also - there aren't many songs on The Masterplan where I think 'I wish they'd recorded that later'! A song like Listen Up sounds fantastic - really raw band, and an incredible Liam vocal. No way he's doing a vocal like that in 97... |
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Post by nutsngum on Nov 11, 2018 16:46:12 GMT -5
Oh also - the top five songs voted on oasisinet.com made the album. Here they are:
Stay Young, Acquiesce, Talk Tonight, Half the World Away, Fade Away.
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Post by matt on Nov 11, 2018 17:43:27 GMT -5
Probably the most Oasis thing ever in debating about how b-sides that should have been on an album didn’t even end up on a b-sides compilation!
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