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Post by magicman on Mar 7, 2019 16:58:53 GMT -5
No doubt, MJ was out of this world talented. I'd suggest Prince was a musical genius as well. You could argue that whatever "talent" MJ had that it was drastically augmented thru years of having it beat into him from a young age. Sure, the talent was there, but his own work got him to what people now consider him to be. His whole life story is quite tragic honestly. If that is what it takes to be considered a "genius", then count me among the ignorantly blissful. Prince had a rough relationship with his father, too. Even your boy Noel was beaten by his drunk dad. |
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Post by magicman on Mar 7, 2019 17:05:37 GMT -5
reminds me of this interview... skip to 1:07
"you don't get michael jackson through positive reinforcement"
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Post by matt on Mar 7, 2019 18:54:33 GMT -5
Paul McCartney’s a genius surely? That guy literally writes songs in his sleep (Yesterday) or from his subconscience (Eleanor Rigby).
Lyrically not nearly as subversive or brutally honest as Lennon, but my god, the melodies are perfection and the sentiments he expressed with the lyrics matched the tune perfectly itself. At his peak, a bonafide genius.
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Post by bt95 on Mar 7, 2019 21:18:15 GMT -5
Paul McCartney’s a genius surely? That guy literally writes songs in his sleep (Yesterday) or from his subconscience (Eleanor Rigby). Lyrically not nearly as subversive or brutally honest as Lennon, but my god, the melodies are perfection and the sentiments he expressed with the lyrics matched the tune perfectly itself. At his peak, a bonafide genius. It always seems to me like people think it's cool to slag Macca off. He was the driving force behind the Beatles. The yin to Lennon's yang. |
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 8, 2019 0:58:34 GMT -5
I'd have no problem describing Dylan, Kanye, or Bowie as musical geniuses. Lennon and McCartney work best "together", so I'd call The Beatles a genius entity rather than a collection of geniuses, if you get me.
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Post by MONO on Mar 8, 2019 2:24:18 GMT -5
He was the driving force behind the Beatles. One of the driving forces. I also only mentioned Michael Jackson to point out that it's just a thin line between genius and insanity. If Jackson was a genius, I'd never call Lennon, McCartney or Dylan geniuses because it's an insult to put them in the same category as the kiddie fiddler. |
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Post by matt on Mar 8, 2019 2:52:01 GMT -5
I'd have no problem describing Dylan, Kanye, or Bowie as musical geniuses. Lennon and McCartney work best "together", so I'd call The Beatles a genius entity rather than a collection of geniuses, if you get me. Ah see this is where I think it gets more complicated. Those three are absolute legends at what they do, but maybe Dylan can only be described as a genius. He has complete sole control over his music. The other two allow their creativity to bounce off great producers I think who, while not involved in songwriting, creatively guide them. |
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Post by Jim on Mar 10, 2019 3:45:09 GMT -5
Aye that’s the best way to prove you’re point, insult, insult and insult again.
Those guys are allowed their opinion on Noel’s music as much as you are so why should they leave? Why don’t you fuck off the forum? What do you contribute apart from going off your nut?
And if you haven’t noticed, it’s Noel himself that’s changed his style to what it is now. He’s the one that’s chosen to go down the remix route. If you don’t want to listen to it then don’t.
You hark back to the real Oasis sound yet two of Noel’s best tunes from back then are the work he done with the Chemical Brothers...
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Post by Jim on Mar 10, 2019 4:07:27 GMT -5
I'd Pick You Every Time, Here's a Candle, and Leave My Guitar Alone = Beautiful songs that every girl I've played for absolutely loves. Those songs are sacrilegious to the pretentious assholes on here....they stick their nose up in Pitchfork-fueled hatred. But thank god I'm not one of them. It must be hard hanging out on this forum for the last ten years hating everyone and telling everyone how bad Noel's songs are. Unlike you matt and TheEscapist, I love it all from Noel and so do the rest of us. So, honestly, piss off (brits) and fuck off (american). Nobody wants to hear your bullshit anymore. We get it. You're smarter and better than us. We get it - so you can leave now. Go away forever. The rest of us will be wondering - Can you pick up a fucking a guitar and write a single song better than Live Forever? No? Then fuck off back to your toothless wives or, in matt's case, his fat girlfriend. Are you at it?! Seriously?! Ranting away like a fucking fruit loop. Why should I leave the forum? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Mar 10, 2019 4:16:07 GMT -5
Hahaha the bloke has lost it. Totally lost it.
Hey godhelpusall I don’t think Noel is a genius but he is a good musician and an excellent songwriter.
You should LEAVE for spreading FAKE news.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Mar 10, 2019 4:29:22 GMT -5
I can't stand the shit-don't-stink people on here. They complain and condescend, year after year, trying to convince the rest of us that we're too stupid or immature to know what good music is.... ...Meanwhile, they listen to un-melodic garbage and pretend to enjoy it so they can feel superior to the rest of us. I feel bad for them. While they're listening to 12 hours of trance music pretending to love it, I'll be out on a Saturday night blasting You Know We Can't Go Back and having a great time with everyone at the bar who loves the song as much as I do. Haha. You're definitely taking the piss. Good one. No fucker is listening to Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds in bars on Saturday nights. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Mar 10, 2019 4:32:55 GMT -5
I'd have no problem describing Dylan, Kanye, or Bowie as musical geniuses. Lennon and McCartney work best "together", so I'd call The Beatles a genius entity rather than a collection of geniuses, if you get me. Ah see this is where I think it gets more complicated. Those three are absolute legends at what they do, but maybe Dylan can only be described as a genius. He has complete sole control over his music. The other two allow their creativity to bounce off great producers I think who, while not involved in songwriting, creatively guide them. Yeah. I wouldn't call Bowie a genius, myself. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Mar 10, 2019 4:42:48 GMT -5
Paul McCartney’s a genius surely? That guy literally writes songs in his sleep (Yesterday) or from his subconscience (Eleanor Rigby). Lyrically not nearly as subversive or brutally honest as Lennon, but my god, the melodies are perfection and the sentiments he expressed with the lyrics matched the tune perfectly itself. At his peak, a bonafide genius.Similar to Noel, he seemed to peak too soon and struggle finding form ever after. He was one of the best ever while still a Beatle, no doubt about it, but since then he's strayed into garrulous mediocrity far too often to be considered a genius, for me. |
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Post by mancraider on Mar 10, 2019 4:45:30 GMT -5
I don't think Noel is a genius. A genius to me would be someone who is groundbreaking and changes the direction of their chosen art. Dylan would be in that bracket. Noel, along with many other great songwriters, doesn't fit that description in my opinion.
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Post by matt on Mar 10, 2019 5:23:58 GMT -5
Please be on the lookout for @godhelpusall, last seen driving to Dundee in his bare feet.
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Post by matt on Mar 10, 2019 5:28:39 GMT -5
Paul McCartney’s a genius surely? That guy literally writes songs in his sleep (Yesterday) or from his subconscience (Eleanor Rigby). Lyrically not nearly as subversive or brutally honest as Lennon, but my god, the melodies are perfection and the sentiments he expressed with the lyrics matched the tune perfectly itself. At his peak, a bonafide genius.Similar to Noel, he seemed to peak too soon and struggle finding form ever after. He was one of the best ever while still a Beatle, no doubt about it, but since then he's strayed into garrulous mediocrity far too often to be considered a genius, for me. I agree he has done much mediocrity in his career but all the Beatles had solo albums that dipped into this. Even on a bang average album like Wings first album, there’s still gems like this which far outweigh anything Noel has done post-Be Here Now. |
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Post by eva on Mar 10, 2019 5:32:27 GMT -5
@godhelpusall stop insulting other members for having a different opinion or you'll be the one leaving the forum
ffs it is] possible to disagree and express your ideas without throwing insults.
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Post by The Escapist on Mar 10, 2019 6:00:40 GMT -5
Fort Knox twats the majority of Noel's first two albums. Absolutely twats them. Typical non-Noel and non-Oasis fan. I bet you LOVE the annoying doorbell / jackhammer. Ugh. Just go back to King of Limbs and "enjoy" those boops and bleeps. I'm sure you're having fun. Most of all, you enjoy feeling superior to people who "don't get it". You'll be surprised to know that most of us here hate your condescending tone, and, no, Fort Knox, isn't that great compared to the last ten years of songs. Just go back to the Radiohead forum and condescend there. I don't want you here, and neither do the rest of the people on this forum. Either that above, or you're a young toothless brit saying "fookin' ell mate" at the local club and you're too stupid to understand what you're listening to. Oh wait, you're sooooooo cool, that if Noel doesn't act more like Thom than you're gonna tell us how bad Noel is.. Dipshit. I think I've found the voice in Liam's head. |
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Post by andymorris on Mar 10, 2019 6:31:05 GMT -5
Paul McCartney’s a genius surely? That guy literally writes songs in his sleep (Yesterday) or from his subconscience (Eleanor Rigby). I've written killer songs in my sleep too, then i woke up. The genius is the one who can transpose what he grabbed in the air. So i guess Macca was a genius (not so much anymore). Genius people sometime say they just managed to grab an idea that was floating around, that they were connected to something else. I think that's interesting. |
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Post by matt on Mar 10, 2019 10:32:40 GMT -5
Ah see this is where I think it gets more complicated. Those three are absolute legends at what they do, but maybe Dylan can only be described as a genius. He has complete sole control over his music. The other two allow their creativity to bounce off great producers I think who, while not involved in songwriting, creatively guide them. Yeah. I wouldn't call Bowie a genius, myself. Also, just to add, to say he’s not a genius is not to say he’s not as good as a true genius. I think to defer to the likes of Visconti or Eno at the right times shows remarkable perception, and the skill and judgement to decide who to defer to is a feat. It’s all part of how to achieve the vision in your mind and I think there’s something more admirable doing that rather than just ploughing on and not being able to swallow your pride. |
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 10, 2019 10:45:25 GMT -5
Everybody secretly knows I'd Pick You Every Time is the best song Noel has ever written.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 10, 2019 10:59:06 GMT -5
ok lets get this thread back on track to Noel's new material.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Mar 10, 2019 11:08:07 GMT -5
ok lets get this thread back on track to Noel's new material. Yeah, can't wait for some more Sardy dad rock. |
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Post by LightsOffInside on Mar 10, 2019 11:17:10 GMT -5
I for one am quite pleased he's doing another normal album AND another Holmes one, the more music the better I say. I'd much rather that than just another Holmes one.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Mar 10, 2019 11:17:14 GMT -5
ok lets get this thread back on track to Noel's new material. Yeah, can't wait for some more Sardy dad rock. its a 50/50 partnership. Noel even blew off many of Holmes ideas too. |
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