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Post by The Escapist on Nov 20, 2018 16:31:07 GMT -5
Why don't people like Good Night? Gorgeous track, love those faded-glory Hollywood strings.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 20, 2018 17:02:19 GMT -5
Why don't people like Good Night? Gorgeous track, love those faded-glory Hollywood strings. Hmm. I didn't know anyone disliked 'Good Night' particularly. With the diverse nature of the White Album material, not everyone is gonna like everything on there. Take, for instance, Ringo's other vocal, 'Don't Pass Me By'. That's my least favourite tune by far, because I think it's ugly and lumbering, and yet the music critic (and fellow Oasis fan) Stephen Thomas Erlewine called it a "delight" in his review of the album. More than any other record I can think of, that old adage "Different strokes for different folks" is especially true of the White Album. ... Anyway, you still binge-watching Doctor Who? I enjoyed reading your reviews of the first four series. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 20, 2018 17:10:39 GMT -5
Why don't people like Good Night? Gorgeous track, love those faded-glory Hollywood strings. Hmm. I didn't know anyone disliked 'Good Night' particularly. With the diverse nature of the White Album material, not everyone is gonna like everything on there. Take, for instance, Ringo's other vocal, 'Don't Pass Me By'. That's my least favourite tune by far, because I think it's ugly and lumbering, and yet the music critic (and fellow Oasis fan) Stephen Thomas Erlewine called it a "delight" in his review of the album. More than any other record I can think of, that old adage "Different strokes for different folks" is especially true of the White Album. ... Anyway, you still binge-watching Doctor Who? I enjoyed reading your reviews of the first four series. I was reading a lot of peoples ranking of the album last week and the vast majority had Good Night in the bottom five. I've seen a lot of criticism of Ringo's vocals, too, which I don't understand. And I've had a bit of a break this week while I've been following the World Chess Championship match in my spare time, and the transition between the Davies/Moffat era seemed a good place to pause. I might start on Series Five tonight, actually. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 17:28:43 GMT -5
Always disliked "Good Night" AND "Don't Pass Me By"  Probably my least favourite songs on the album along with "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da", "The Continuing Story of Bungallow Bill" and "Wild Honey Pie". |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 20, 2018 18:12:58 GMT -5
Hmm. I didn't know anyone disliked 'Good Night' particularly. With the diverse nature of the White Album material, not everyone is gonna like everything on there. Take, for instance, Ringo's other vocal, 'Don't Pass Me By'. That's my least favourite tune by far, because I think it's ugly and lumbering, and yet the music critic (and fellow Oasis fan) Stephen Thomas Erlewine called it a "delight" in his review of the album. More than any other record I can think of, that old adage "Different strokes for different folks" is especially true of the White Album. ... Anyway, you still binge-watching Doctor Who? I enjoyed reading your reviews of the first four series. I was reading a lot of peoples ranking of the album last week and the vast majority had Good Night in the bottom five. I've seen a lot of criticism of Ringo's vocals, too, which I don't understand. And I've had a bit of a break this week while I've been following the World Chess Championship match in my spare time, and the transition between the Davies/Moffat era seemed a good place to pause. I might start on Series Five tonight, actually. The slightly jarring effect of Ringo's pub singer voice singing those cutesy lyrics, accompanied by those luscious strings and pitch perfect operatic backing singers, are precisely what's so magic about it. One of my favourite moments is @ 2:36 when Ringo's voice gives out a bit. He then comes in for the next line and over-emphasises the word "Dream," as if hoping that will make up for the mistake. There's a great human quality to that; not to mention a charm in hearing someone with little technical skill grappling with something that's beyond them, but nonetheless giving it their all. Lennon could have taken the lead vocal and done it beautifully, like he did with 'Julia' or a song like 'Oh My Love', but it wouldn't've been the same. Ironically (given it was John's and not Ringo's child the song was written for), it wouldn't've been as real. Perhaps Giles Martin is right when he says how in our world as it is at present (the metropolitan western world, at least) everything needs to look and sound exactly "right." And perhaps The Beatles and some of their peers knew better back then. |
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Post by matt on Nov 20, 2018 18:21:44 GMT -5
Love, love love Ob La Di Ob La Da. So much innocence, fun and positivity to it.
These Macca tunes should never be dismissed - it’s what gave The Beatles so much charming appeal.
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Post by mkoasis on Nov 20, 2018 22:42:22 GMT -5
On that note, I find I'm really enjoying the Esher demo of Honey Pie. Like with other outtakes, you can hear they're enjoying themselves, not taking anything too seriously and Paul's clearly delighted in indulging his vaudeville fantasies. It just works out do well with this stripped back acoustic arrangement.
I've always liked the album version but this is one of my favourite moments they've released.
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Post by MacaRonic on Nov 21, 2018 16:44:06 GMT -5
Absolutely loving the deluxe set. The remix is great and breathes fresh life into most of the tracks. Crisp drums, thick but audibly lush bass and all the flourishes are perfectly placed. Stand outs are ‘Dear Prudence, Happiness Is A Warm Gun, Long, Long, Long, Honey Pie, Glass Onion, Piggies and Monkey’
Very, very well done Giles Martin.
The Esher Demos are such a fun listen. ‘ Sour Milk Sea’ is great. It’s just a pity that this is the only set of home demos they ever done for an album. Would’ve been great if they had a habit of doing this in the years previous. I’m still getting through the outtakes discs. Every outtake has something fascinating within. Fantastic stuff. A must for any Beatles fan.
The very best album / CD box-set ever. Bring on ‘Abbey Road’, ‘Let It Be’ and then ‘Revolver’, ‘Rubber Soul’ and by then technology should’ve advanced enough to be able to successfully de-mix and remix the tricky early stuff.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 21, 2018 17:01:55 GMT -5
Take three:
THE WHITE ALBUM
1) Back in the USSR
2) Dear Prudence
3) Ob-la-Di Ob-la-Da
4) Glass Onion
5) Wild Honey Pie
6) While My Guitar Gently Weeps
7) Martha My Dear
8) I'm So Tired
9) Happiness is a Warm Gun
10) Blackbird
11) Rocky Raccoon
12) The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill
13) Birthday
14) Everybody's Got Something to Hide...
15) Why Don't We Do it in the Road?
16) I Will
17) Julia
18) Sexy Sadie
19) Yer Blues
20) Helter Skelter
21) Revolution 1
22) Hey Jude
23) Cry Baby Cry (Esher Demo)
24) Revolution 9
25) Good Night
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Post by MacaRonic on Nov 21, 2018 19:38:34 GMT -5
Take three: THE WHITE ALBUM1) Back in the USSR 2) Dear Prudence 3) Ob-la-Di Ob-la-Da 4) Glass Onion 5) Wild Honey Pie 6) While My Guitar Gently Weeps 7) Martha My Dear 8) I'm So Tired 9) Happiness is a Warm Gun 10) Blackbird 11) Rocky Raccoon 12) The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill 13) Birthday 14) Everybody's Got Something to Hide... 15) Why Don't We Do it in the Road? 16) I Will 17) Julia 18) Sexy Sadie 19) Yer Blues 20) Helter Skelter 21) Revolution 1 22) Hey Jude 23) Cry Baby Cry (Esher Demo) 24) Revolution 9 25) Good Night You’re grouping too many of the same type songs together for that to work IMO, i.e ‘Birthday’ and ‘Everybody’s Got...’ try this: Back In The U.S.S.R Dear Prudence Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da Wild Honey Pie ••• The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill While My Guitar Gently Weeps Happiness Is A Warm Gun Martha My Dear ••• I’m So Tired Blackbird Piggies Glass Onion ••• Rocky Raccoon Don’t Pass Me By Why Don’t We Do It In The Road? Julia — Hey Jude Revolution I Will Savoy Truffle ••• Yer Blues Mother Nature’s Son Everybody’s Got Something To Hide Honey Pie ••• Birthday Sexy Sadie Helter Skelter Long, Long, Long ••• Cry Baby Cry Revolution 9 Good Night |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 22, 2018 6:37:31 GMT -5
Take three: THE WHITE ALBUM1) Back in the USSR 2) Dear Prudence 3) Ob-la-Di Ob-la-Da 4) Glass Onion 5) Wild Honey Pie 6) While My Guitar Gently Weeps 7) Martha My Dear 8) I'm So Tired 9) Happiness is a Warm Gun 10) Blackbird 11) Rocky Raccoon 12) The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill 13) Birthday 14) Everybody's Got Something to Hide... 15) Why Don't We Do it in the Road? 16) I Will 17) Julia 18) Sexy Sadie 19) Yer Blues 20) Helter Skelter 21) Revolution 1 22) Hey Jude 23) Cry Baby Cry (Esher Demo) 24) Revolution 9 25) Good Night You’re grouping too many of the same type songs together for that to work IMO, i.e ‘Birthday’ and ‘Everybody’s Got...’ try this: Back In The U.S.S.R Dear Prudence Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da Wild Honey Pie ••• The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill While My Guitar Gently Weeps Happiness Is A Warm Gun Martha My Dear ••• I’m So Tired Blackbird Piggies Glass Onion ••• Rocky Raccoon Don’t Pass Me By Why Don’t We Do It In The Road? Julia — Hey Jude Revolution I Will Savoy Truffle ••• Yer Blues Mother Nature’s Son Everybody’s Got Something To Hide Honey Pie ••• Birthday Sexy Sadie Helter Skelter Long, Long, Long ••• Cry Baby Cry Revolution 9 Good Night That was a conscious choice, to be honest, I wanted the album to have some semlance of sort of "pockets of flow" rather than jumping around constantly from start to end. I think songs like Bungalow Bill have a much more natural home next to a Rocky Raccoon than they do your While My Guitar Gently Weeps'. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 23, 2018 17:35:26 GMT -5
The Escapist , I dunno, I think the White Album has very definite passages and moods to it as it is. Always with albums released before 1982 you've got to bear in mind the original vinyl sequencing. For the White Album that means: Side 1: 1. Back in the U.S.S.R. / 2. Dear Prudence / 3. Glass Onion / 4. Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da / 5. Wild Honey Pie / 6. The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill / 7. While My Guitar Gently Weeps / 8. Happiness is a Warm Gun Side 2: 1. Martha My Dear / 2. I'm so tired / 3. Blackbird / 4. Piggies / 5. Rocky Raccoon / 6. Don't Pass Me By / 7. Why don't we do it in the road? / 8. I Will / 9. Julia Side 3: 1. Birthday / 2. Yer Blues / 3. Mother Nature's Son / 4. Everybody's Got Something to Hide Except for Me and My Monkey / 5. Sexy Sadie / 6. Helter Skelter / 7. Long, Long, Long Side 4: 1. Revolution 1 / 2. Honey Pie / 3. Savoy Truffle / 4. Cry Baby Cry / 5. Revolution 9 / 6. Good Night So side 1 obviously has a lot of big hitters. Paul's (proper) tunes are the singles--or, would have been, if they'd decided to promote the album with singles; 'Happiness is a Warm Gun' was George and Paul's favourite; and for 'While My Guitar...' (a tune George, if not Paul, was confident was a winner) they invited in one of the world's most respected guitarists to have a starring role in the recording. Then side 2 generally has a lighter, sillier air to it. (Not surprisingly, then, we're short on Lennon compositions here). 'Rocky Raccoon' and 'Don't Pass Me By' are both pastiches, and possibly 'Julia' is as well, given Lennon wrote it as a "children's song" of the kind their friend Donovan was famous for writing. The songs are more fragmentary, too; obviously, you've got Macca's last two, but there's the sudden unexplained ending to 'I'm so tired', too, and Harrison bringing the strings back in on 'Piggies' with a call of "One more time," as if they were composing the song as they went along. The arrangements are also quite stripped back. Four of the songs are played on acoustic guitars, and, of course, 'Why don't we do it...' is very bare. Not surprisingly, side 3 is then the heavy side. Three of the tunes ('Yer Blues', 'Mother Nature's Son', and 'Sexy Sadie') directly reference their time in India. I don't know when Harrison wrote 'Long, Long, Long', his ode to God, but it sounds like it was written in the same spirt they entered into when studying transcendental meditation in Rishikesh. Similar to side 1, side 3 has an equal split of Lennon and McCartney compositions, and the level of "choonage" is high to kick off the second LP with a bang. Lastly, side 4 is the after hours side. You've got the lazy feel and communal atmosphere of 'Revolution 1' (which Lennon famously recorded his vocal for by lying down on the studio floor), the playfulness of 'Honey Pie', 'Savoy Truffle', and 'Cry Baby Cry', the creepiness and uncertainty of 'Revolution 9', and then 'Good Night', which literally ends with Ringo bidding the listener a good night. Fittingly, the sunny and extroverted McCartney is largely absent from this side. It should be highlighted as well: you've got a Harrison composition for each side, and a Ringo vocal on each LP.
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Post by Headmaster on Nov 23, 2018 18:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 23, 2018 20:46:08 GMT -5
Ah, go on then:
LOVE:
1. (Hey Jude)
2. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
3. Back in the USSR
4. Happiness is a Warm Gun
5. Dear Prudence
6. Blackbird
7. Helter Skelter
8. I'm So Tired
9. Ob-la-Di Ob-la-Da
LIKE:
10. Revolution 1
11. Glass Onion
12. I Will
13. Good Night
14. Martha My Dear
15. Rocky Raccoon
16. Yer Blues
17. Julia
18. Sexy Sadie
19. Revolution 9
20. Cry Baby Cry
21. Why Don't We Do it in the Road?
OKAY / INDIFFERENT:
22. Birthday
23. The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill
24. Everybody's Got Something to Hide...
25. Wild Honey Pie
DISLIKE:
26. Long, Long, Long
27. Savoy Truffle
28. Don't Pass Me By
29. Honey Pie
30. Mother Nature's Son
31. Piggies
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 23, 2018 22:11:20 GMT -5
I only skip two tracks. Wild Honey Pie (waste of time) and Revolution 9 (simply no need for it). I’m willing to bet 98% of Beatles listeners skip it. Interesting music? Perhaps. A most listen? Definitely no.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 5:47:59 GMT -5
My town is cited in Savoy Truffle. If that isn't pure class !  |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 24, 2018 7:03:49 GMT -5
I don't skip Revolution 9. Good Night simply doesn't work as well without it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2018 11:51:32 GMT -5
Here's a question for the esteemed panel: 50 years from now is anyone going to care about the Beatles anymore? I ask because a local record shop owner told me recently that old Beatles vinyl is slipping into "Elvis territory", that is--- getting to be harder and harder to move. But perhaps that is due to market oversaturation, and the fact that by now everyone that wants an old copy of Peppers, Abbey Road etc. etc. already has theirs. But what does that say about the next generation of music fans?
Of course, I guess the same could be asked about the Stones, Zep, U2, etc. etc.
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 24, 2018 11:57:57 GMT -5
Here's a question for the esteemed panel: 50 years from now is anyone going to care about the Beatles anymore? I ask because a local record shop owner told me recently that old Beatles vinyl is slipping into "Elvis territory", that is--- getting to be harder and harder to move. But perhaps that is due to market oversaturation, and the fact that by now everyone that wants an old copy of Peppers, Abbey Road etc. etc. already has theirs. But what does that say about the next generation of music fans? Of course, I guess the same could be asked about the Stones, Zep, U2, etc. etc. Buying music physically will soon be something akin to calling the radio the "wireless" - an antiquated idea considered quaint or bewildering depending on your age. So, yes, The Beatles will sell less copies, but so will everyone - happily, as a teenager, I can tell you that the tunes themselves are still very much loved and I saw many a Beatles t-shirt in college. They simply wrote too many good pop songs to be forgotten for however long human pop music is a thing. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 24, 2018 12:42:47 GMT -5
Here's a question for the esteemed panel: 50 years from now is anyone going to care about the Beatles anymore? I ask because a local record shop owner told me recently that old Beatles vinyl is slipping into "Elvis territory", that is--- getting to be harder and harder to move. But perhaps that is due to market oversaturation, and the fact that by now everyone that wants an old copy of Peppers, Abbey Road etc. etc. already has theirs. But what does that say about the next generation of music fans? Of course, I guess the same could be asked about the Stones, Zep, U2, etc. etc. depending on your age. So, yes, The Beatles will sell less copies, but so will everyone - happily, as a teenager, I can tell you that the tunes themselves are still very much loved and I saw many a Beatles t-shirt in college. They simply wrote too many good pop songs to be forgotten for however long human pop music is a thing. No offence meant with this, but you sound like someone who has never listened to vinyl through a good hi-fi system. Am I right? It's still the premium listening experience, make no mistake about it. It doesn't matter how good your earphones are, or what rate your download is, you cannot beat the sound or the feel of vinyl coming through good speakers. Everything sitting where it should in the mix: the bass coming through the floor; the hi-hats hovering somewhere in mid-air, so you feel like you can reach out and touch them. The piercing notes in a voice smoothed out; guitars and keyboards ringing with such clarity you could swear they were in the room with you. As our lives become even busier and full of excess stuff, people will increasingly come to depend on such forms of culture as pop music to feel connected in any way to the world and their fellow human beings. And, call me short-sighted, but I cannot foresee a time when there is a digital alternative to the needle and the groove that allows the listener to feel the music they're hearing as well. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 24, 2018 13:01:15 GMT -5
Buying music physically will soon be something akin to calling the radio the "wireless" - an antiquated idea considered quaint or bewildering depending on your age. So, yes, The Beatles will sell less copies, but so will everyone - happily, as a teenager, I can tell you that the tunes themselves are still very much loved and I saw many a Beatles t-shirt in college. They simply wrote too many good pop songs to be forgotten for however long human pop music is a thing. No offence meant with this, but you sound like someone who has never listened to vinyl through a good hi-fi system. Am I right? It's still the premium listening experience, make no mistake about it. It doesn't matter how good your earphones are, or what rate your download is, you cannot beat the sound or the feel of vinyl coming through good speakers. Everything sitting where it should in the mix: the bass coming through the floor; the hi-hats hovering somewhere in mid-air, so you feel like you can reach out and touch them. The piercing notes in a voice smoothed out; guitars and keyboards ringing with such clarity you could swear they were in the room with you. As our lives become even busier and full of excess stuff, people will increasingly come to depend on such forms of culture as pop music to feel connected in any way to the world and their fellow human beings. And, call me short-sighted, but I cannot foresee a time when there is a digital alternative to the needle and the groove that allows the listener to feel the music they're hearing as well. I agree that vinyl is still the best quality sound, but that doesn't mean it's relevant. Soon enough technology will catch up to it, and even before that it's purely going to be for collectors or fans of an older act. That's why Noel and Liam are some of the highest selling acts on vinyl, they have an older fan-base - very, very few people under the age of 25 are interested in a slightly less compressed sound wave when Spotify has every song they like on their phone. Some of the biggest albums of this year didn't even get a physical release, besides the ones you get with tour tickets, and I can see the idea of getting music through anything other than the press of a button being a novelty pretty soon, if it isn't already. |
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Post by durk on Nov 24, 2018 13:09:16 GMT -5
Here's a question for the esteemed panel: 50 years from now is anyone going to care about the Beatles anymore? I ask because a local record shop owner told me recently that old Beatles vinyl is slipping into "Elvis territory", that is--- getting to be harder and harder to move. But perhaps that is due to market oversaturation, and the fact that by now everyone that wants an old copy of Peppers, Abbey Road etc. etc. already has theirs. But what does that say about the next generation of music fans? Of course, I guess the same could be asked about the Stones, Zep, U2, etc. etc. that's what they said 50 years ago too. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 24, 2018 14:34:58 GMT -5
Here's a question for the esteemed panel: 50 years from now is anyone going to care about the Beatles anymore? I ask because a local record shop owner told me recently that old Beatles vinyl is slipping into "Elvis territory", that is--- getting to be harder and harder to move. But perhaps that is due to market oversaturation, and the fact that by now everyone that wants an old copy of Peppers, Abbey Road etc. etc. already has theirs. But what does that say about the next generation of music fans? Of course, I guess the same could be asked about the Stones, Zep, U2, etc. etc. They're the Shakespeare of popular music. They'll always command respect. Whether people will keep listening is another question, though. There's a lot of talk at the minute about the increasing infantilism of western culture; and, though The Beatles are hardly intellectually challenging, I worry that their position in history will put them at a disadvantage with increasingly short-sighted and impatient people (if that is what will happens to us), as time goes on. Listening to very old records can be hard work. It took me a couple of years to properly fall in love with The Beatles, because I was comparing them to the guitar music of the 90s I loved and finding them tame by comparison. I concentrated my attention on just them for a while--I wasn't yet having my attention diverted to a thousand other things on streaming sites and social media--and yet I just couldn't get used to their sound. But when you look at the singles charts across the world you can't help but feel that many people are happy to just accept a lot of pap that gets served to them on the radio and in the clubs. I know that sounds a cheap and generically misanthropic thing to say, but am I not right that the general public's taste in music seems to have become much less eclectic in this century? People who can't appreciate eclecticism in music are surely gonna struggle with The Beatles. As to what will happen to the like of the Stones and Led Zeppelin, I really can't say. The hedonism and outlaw spirit of those two bands somehow seems further away from where we are now than The Beatles do. I mean, just imagine a song like 'Some Girls' being released now. How many Huffington Post articles would you see spring up in response, I wonder?   But, then, things move in cycles, don't they? I remain hopeful we'll get over our collective hypersensitivity, sometime in the next decade, and allow a bit of fun and lightheartedness back into our societies and popular culture again. If we don't, I guess much of the "Classic Rock" of the late 60s and 70s will probably seem antiquarian to kids (if it doesn't already) in the future. I do worry for Oasis's reputation in the future a wee bit, though. They're doing fantastically well at the moment, but, it can't be denied, most of their best music does sound pretty shit through modern speakers. Unless they get remixed, like is happening with The Beatles, I can see a time when they sound so dated they struggle to pick up any new fans. We shall see. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 24, 2018 15:10:03 GMT -5
I don't skip Revolution 9. Good Night simply doesn't work as well without it. Oh that’s straight hogwash. Good Night is a fantastic closer with or without Revolution 9. You really think it needs an 8 minute noise collage to make it work to close the album? How many bands and artists would be like “this is great but what if we had 9 minutes of polarizing sounds before it?”. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 24, 2018 15:48:03 GMT -5
I don't skip Revolution 9. Good Night simply doesn't work as well without it. Oh that’s straight hogwash. Good Night is a fantastic closer with or without Revolution 9. You really think it needs an 8 minute noise collage to make it work to close the album? How many bands and artists would be like “this is great but what if we had 9 minutes of polarizing sounds before it?”. None, and that's why it's brilliant. Thanks. |
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