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Post by shannee on Feb 20, 2019 12:24:42 GMT -5
Ah, the good 'ol days of Liam Vs Noel. Who would've thought 10 years later ...  |
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Post by sgtpeppr on Feb 20, 2019 20:37:49 GMT -5
he may very well have had a legit reason for the V festival, but that doesnt explain the previous 10 years...? Liam has walked off a few gigs and undoubtably some of those are with no good reason much to his discredit. But lets not act like he was disappearing every night. In reference to Noel giving it as a reason, he was more than capable of ditching a tour. It was a occupational hazard of being a fan of Oasis. didnt mean to imply he walked off/didnt turn up all the time. but he did do it quite a bit (relative to other bands), and over many years. im not having a go at liam. its all part of his rock 'n' roll charm... |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Feb 21, 2019 0:12:04 GMT -5
Liam has walked off a few gigs and undoubtably some of those are with no good reason much to his discredit. But lets not act like he was disappearing every night. In reference to Noel giving it as a reason, he was more than capable of ditching a tour. It was a occupational hazard of being a fan of Oasis. didnt mean to imply he walked off/didnt turn up all the time. but he did do it quite a bit (relative to other bands), and over many years. im not having a go at liam. its all part of his rock 'n' roll charm... Liam had his moments for sure on some of their biggest opportunities but it was actually Noel who walked out on 4 different tours. USA 1994, USA 1996, Europe 2000 and Europe 2009. Liam never walked out or quit an entire tour. |
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Post by bogaloo on Feb 21, 2019 2:03:17 GMT -5
didnt mean to imply he walked off/didnt turn up all the time. but he did do it quite a bit (relative to other bands), and over many years. im not having a go at liam. its all part of his rock 'n' roll charm... Liam had his moments for sure on some of their biggest opportunities but it was actually Noel who walked out on 4 different tours. USA 1994, USA 1996, Europe 2000 and Europe 2009. Liam never walked out or quit an entire tour. Those were the ones I remembered. Do we know any other information regarding the reasons for quitting? |
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Post by sgtpeppr on Feb 21, 2019 3:45:25 GMT -5
didnt mean to imply he walked off/didnt turn up all the time. but he did do it quite a bit (relative to other bands), and over many years. im not having a go at liam. its all part of his rock 'n' roll charm... Liam had his moments for sure on some of their biggest opportunities but it was actually Noel who walked out on 4 different tours. USA 1994, USA 1996, Europe 2000 and Europe 2009. Liam never walked out or quit an entire tour. true. its seems like it would be more frustrating to not show up on a whim tho. if you quit a tour, its no shock to liam when youre not there at the next gig. if youre 'on tour' but still dont turn up or walk off stage its a little harsher i think. and its not just the tours tho is it? the missed rehearsal, soundchecks, studio time. it all snowballs im sure. again, im not having a go at liam. it worked for him back in the day... |
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Post by mossy on Feb 21, 2019 6:20:47 GMT -5
I hope the documentary opens with Noel’s Oasis resignation letter crawling across the screen Star Wars style, describing the verbal and physical intimidation he’s suffered, before cutting to a clip of Liam like this one at 6 mins 4 seconds looking and sounding sinister like the evil emperor saying “So what, he’s a big boy, I was only joking.”
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Feb 21, 2019 8:40:08 GMT -5
Here's my opinion on the whole Noel suing Liam bullshit.
He is being a dick, there isn't any doubt about that. But... I get it.
Liam has every right to be pissed off with Noel recently, he feels that Noel manufactured the Oasis split (as do I and many other fans) and left him in the lurch. But I think that is actually it! There don't seem to be many other reasons to be pissed off with him - other than the reason all of us are pissed off with Noel, for being a bit of a Tory bellend.
Noel, however has EVERY reason to be fucked off with Liam. Like it or not, Liam did use the One Love gig as a bit of rod to whack him with. Yes, morally Noel should have been there. Liam went above and beyond to be there and that should be applauded. But, Noel didn't want to leave his family to do the gig. Instead he quietly donated a fucking HUGE lump of cash towards the victims. I think he's just thought 'fuck you, you aren't using that gig when you sung my songs and slated me for not being there'. Right or wrong (personally I think Noel is wrong to sue him) he has every right to not let him.
Second to this, Liam has slagged off Noel's missus at every opportunity. No need, really.
I think the other thing we are all forgetting is that Liam did attempt to sue Noel. Noel said something wrong, but to threaten your brother with legal action is a bit odd.
One way or another, it is absolutely certain now that these two won't ever speak again. Very sad
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Post by mossy on Feb 21, 2019 9:52:57 GMT -5
Here's my opinion on the whole Noel suing Liam bullshit. He is being a dick, there isn't any doubt about that. But... I get it. Liam has every right to be pissed off with Noel recently, he feels that Noel manufactured the Oasis split (as do I and many other fans) and left him in the lurch. But I think that is actually it! There don't seem to be many other reasons to be pissed off with him - other than the reason all of us are pissed off with Noel, for being a bit of a Tory bellend. Noel, however has EVERY reason to be fucked off with Liam. Like it or not, Liam did use the One Love gig as a bit of rod to whack him with. Yes, morally Noel should have been there. Liam went above and beyond to be there and that should be applauded. But, Noel didn't want to leave his family to do the gig. Instead he quietly donated a fucking HUGE lump of cash towards the victims. I think he's just thought 'fuck you, you aren't using that gig when you sung my songs and slated me for not being there'. Right or wrong (personally I think Noel is wrong to sue him) he has every right to not let him. Second to this, Liam has slagged off Noel's missus at every opportunity. No need, really. I think the other thing we are all forgetting is that Liam did attempt to sue Noel. Noel said something wrong, but to threaten your brother with legal action is a bit odd. One way or another, it is absolutely certain now that these two won't ever speak again. Very sad He went above and beyond to get an opportunity to promote his debut solo single and album to an audience of millions too. Call me a cynical bastard if you want - I am! X |
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Post by mancraider on Feb 21, 2019 10:36:00 GMT -5
If Noel holds the rights to a song then he can withhold them if he wants to, for whatever reason he wants. I don't really care. Liams tweets are a bit of melodrama, and good PR for the film. My only concern was that it could derail the release of the film, as I'd quite like to watch it sometime.
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Post by lalaland on Feb 21, 2019 10:49:50 GMT -5
Here's my opinion on the whole Noel suing Liam bullshit. He is being a dick, there isn't any doubt about that. But... I get it. Liam has every right to be pissed off with Noel recently, he feels that Noel manufactured the Oasis split (as do I and many other fans) and left him in the lurch. But I think that is actually it! There don't seem to be many other reasons to be pissed off with him - other than the reason all of us are pissed off with Noel, for being a bit of a Tory bellend. Noel, however has EVERY reason to be fucked off with Liam. Like it or not, Liam did use the One Love gig as a bit of rod to whack him with. Yes, morally Noel should have been there. Liam went above and beyond to be there and that should be applauded. But, Noel didn't want to leave his family to do the gig. Instead he quietly donated a fucking HUGE lump of cash towards the victims. I think he's just thought 'fuck you, you aren't using that gig when you sung my songs and slated me for not being there'. Right or wrong (personally I think Noel is wrong to sue him) he has every right to not let him. Second to this, Liam has slagged off Noel's missus at every opportunity. No need, really. I think the other thing we are all forgetting is that Liam did attempt to sue Noel. Noel said something wrong, but to threaten your brother with legal action is a bit odd. One way or another, it is absolutely certain now that these two won't ever speak again. Very sad He went above and beyond to get an opportunity to promote his debut solo single and album to an audience of millions too. Call me a cynical bastard if you want - I am! X This! If his only reason for being there was to show support for the victims etc, he wouldn't have sung WOG, a song which hardly anyone knew. |
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Post by janelr on Feb 21, 2019 12:09:17 GMT -5
He went above and beyond to get an opportunity to promote his debut solo single and album to an audience of millions too. Call me a cynical bastard if you want - I am! X This! If his only reason for being there was to show support for the victims etc, he wouldn't have sung WOG, a song which hardly anyone knew. I don't remember where I read or heard it but I do recall someone saying the organizers asked him to perform it. They wanted some newer stuff from all the performers and that was his only solo material at the time. |
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Post by lalaland on Feb 21, 2019 12:46:19 GMT -5
This! If his only reason for being there was to show support for the victims etc, he wouldn't have sung WOG, a song which hardly anyone knew. I don't remember where I read or heard it but I do recall someone saying the organizers asked him to perform it. They wanted some newer stuff from all the performers and that was his only solo material at the time. "Hi Liam's management. One Love organisers here. So, we'd love Liam to perform." "We'll do everything we can to get him back from a festival in Germany. We think Live Forever would be the perfect fit to close the concert and everyone knows that song." "Well, actually, we'd prefer if he could perform his new single." "Oh erm... not keen, we find it a bit amoral to promote his new material at an event like this." "Ok well in that case, don't bother turning up. Bye."  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 21, 2019 12:59:31 GMT -5
I don't remember where I read or heard it but I do recall someone saying the organizers asked him to perform it. They wanted some newer stuff from all the performers and that was his only solo material at the time. "Hi Liam's management. One Love organisers here. So, we'd love Liam to perform." "We'll do everything we can to get him back from a festival in Germany. We think Live Forever would be the perfect fit to close the concert and everyone knows that song." "Well, actually, we'd prefer if he could perform his new single." "Oh erm... not keen, we find it a bit amoral to promote his new material at an event like this." "Ok well in that case, don't bother turning up. Bye." Got anything to back that up? Liam goes solo, can't perform his own songs  |
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Post by janelr on Feb 21, 2019 13:11:31 GMT -5
I don't remember where I read or heard it but I do recall someone saying the organizers asked him to perform it. They wanted some newer stuff from all the performers and that was his only solo material at the time. "Hi Liam's management. One Love organisers here. So, we'd love Liam to perform." "We'll do everything we can to get him back from a festival in Germany. We think Live Forever would be the perfect fit to close the concert and everyone knows that song." "Well, actually, we'd prefer if he could perform his new single." "Oh erm... not keen, we find it a bit amoral to promote his new material at an event like this." "Ok well in that case, don't bother turning up. Bye." If I find it again I'll post it. Why wouldn't they want Liam Gallagher to perform more than one song? The performances were put on streaming for a bit with proceeds going to charity so it's not not unbelievable they'd ask Liam the solo artist to perform one Oasis song and one Liam song. I didn't see the whole thing, but did none of the ther artists perform their own stuff? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 15:47:48 GMT -5
This! If his only reason for being there was to show support for the victims etc, he wouldn't have sung WOG, a song which hardly anyone knew. I don't remember where I read or heard it but I do recall someone saying the organizers asked him to perform it. They wanted some newer stuff from all the performers and that was his only solo material at the time. Liam said organisers asked him to sing WOG and Imagine (and the latter he didn't want to do). |
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Post by lalaland on Feb 21, 2019 15:51:08 GMT -5
"Hi Liam's management. One Love organisers here. So, we'd love Liam to perform." "We'll do everything we can to get him back from a festival in Germany. We think Live Forever would be the perfect fit to close the concert and everyone knows that song." "Well, actually, we'd prefer if he could perform his new single." "Oh erm... not keen, we find it a bit amoral to promote his new material at an event like this." "Ok well in that case, don't bother turning up. Bye." If I find it again I'll post it. Why wouldn't they want Liam Gallagher to perform more than one song? The performances were put on streaming for a bit with proceeds going to charity so it's not not unbelievable they'd ask Liam the solo artist to perform one Oasis song and one Liam song. I didn't see the whole thing, but did none of the ther artists perform their own stuff? Right, so what would generate more streams - a new 'Liam Gallagher solo' song or a second 'Liam Gallagher sings one of Oasis' biggest hits' number? So I'm not saying they didn't want Liam to perform more than one song, that's kinda beside my point. I'm also not saying that some of the other acts on the night didn't also perform new material - they probably did. My point was I doubt the 'idea' to perform WOG came from the organisers as opposed to Liam's management. That said, obviously if you or anyone can find info on what the conditions of performing that night were, I'll happily eat my words  |
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Post by janelr on Feb 21, 2019 16:11:03 GMT -5
I don't remember where I read or heard it but I do recall someone saying the organizers asked him to perform it. They wanted some newer stuff from all the performers and that was his only solo material at the time. Liam said organisers asked him to sing WOG and Imagine (and the latter he didn't want to do). OK yes, that's what it was. I couldn't remember exactly but somebody did ask that question why he sang WOG. Thanks, I was beginning to think I imagined it. |
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Post by imthewalrus79 on Feb 21, 2019 16:43:28 GMT -5
Liam had his moments for sure on some of their biggest opportunities but it was actually Noel who walked out on 4 different tours. USA 1994, USA 1996, Europe 2000 and Europe 2009. Liam never walked out or quit an entire tour. Those were the ones I remembered. Do we know any other information regarding the reasons for quitting? But, let's not forget that every time Noel walked off a tour, it's because Liam pushed him to his limit. Some of it was just Liam being a jerk, especially the USA tours of 1994 and 1996. As for Europe 2000, we know Liam made the comment about Anasis that went too far. But we also know alcohol was involved. And I'd be willing to bet that Noel made some comments/jokes that pushed Liam's buttons and led to that. Noel was and still is good at getting his little digs in at Liam in interviews. And you know he's doing it just to wind Liam up. Liam would have done good to just let those comments roll off his back instead of letting Noel know they get to him. But he gets pissed at Noel and insults him, and more recently, his wife and kids. And while Liam shows his hand pretty easily by posting on his Twitter, Noel goes about getting back at Liam by doing things like not allowing him to use an Oasis song in his documentary. Sadly, it just goes to show that after all these years, neither Noel or Liam can act with any maturity toward each other. |
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Post by lalaland on Feb 21, 2019 17:32:42 GMT -5
Liam said organisers asked him to sing WOG and Imagine (and the latter he didn't want to do). OK yes, that's what it was. I couldn't remember exactly but somebody did ask that question why he sang WOG. Thanks, I was beginning to think I imagined it. Come on like... what else would he say? The 'Imagine' bit is probably true but he's hardly gonna say that his management insisted on him performing his new single, is he? |
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Post by bogaloo on Feb 21, 2019 17:36:02 GMT -5
Those were the ones I remembered. Do we know any other information regarding the reasons for quitting? But, let's not forget that every time Noel walked off a tour, it's because Liam pushed him to his limit. Some of it was just Liam being a jerk, especially the USA tours of 1994 and 1996. As for Europe 2000, we know Liam made the comment about Anasis that went too far. But we also know alcohol was involved. And I'd be willing to bet that Noel made some comments/jokes that pushed Liam's buttons and led to that. Noel was and still is good at getting his little digs in at Liam in interviews. And you know he's doing it just to wind Liam up. Liam would have done good to just let those comments roll off his back instead of letting Noel know they get to him. But he gets pissed at Noel and insults him, and more recently, his wife and kids. And while Liam shows his hand pretty easily by posting on his Twitter, Noel goes about getting back at Liam by doing things like not allowing him to use an Oasis song in his documentary. Sadly, it just goes to show that after all these years, neither Noel or Liam can act with any maturity toward each other. Ok, thanks! I was wondering whether Liam had given his version of things regarding any of these matters, as I was really absent from oasis related stuff from 2014 to 2017, and could easily have missed something, as Liam's been prolific in interviews and Twitter usage in later years. You are absolutely right regarding immaturity. Nevertheless, call me a cynic, but I suppose part of it is related to marketing. Both Noel's digs (particularly in earlier years) and more recently, Liam's tweets, for instance, Liam not letting Noel's comments slide off his back and answering on Twitter has been useful for him, at least as useful, if not more than Noel's "portrayal of Liam" in the press. Generates press everytime he tweets about Noel. He gets replies and retweets from his following that generates publicity for him. I'd even dare to say it may have played a role in his "ressurgence", particularly with the One Love gig And in this day and age, with the "footballification of everything" people are so entrenched in their tribes that they won't question anything. There are some good examples of this amongst his followers. When you are being interviewed what you say can be immediately questioned back. That doesn't happen on Twitter. You can literally say anything and not be questioned, that's why populists like it so much. Maybe it's me showing my age, but social media, and Twitter in particular, has a huge ability of turning things in "us vs them". And sadly, this is also so common among the oasis fanbase, it kind of becomes toxic, in a way. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 21, 2019 19:37:53 GMT -5
But, let's not forget that every time Noel walked off a tour, it's because Liam pushed him to his limit. Some of it was just Liam being a jerk, especially the USA tours of 1994 and 1996. As for Europe 2000, we know Liam made the comment about Anasis that went too far. But we also know alcohol was involved. And I'd be willing to bet that Noel made some comments/jokes that pushed Liam's buttons and led to that. Noel was and still is good at getting his little digs in at Liam in interviews. And you know he's doing it just to wind Liam up. Liam would have done good to just let those comments roll off his back instead of letting Noel know they get to him. But he gets pissed at Noel and insults him, and more recently, his wife and kids. And while Liam shows his hand pretty easily by posting on his Twitter, Noel goes about getting back at Liam by doing things like not allowing him to use an Oasis song in his documentary. Sadly, it just goes to show that after all these years, neither Noel or Liam can act with any maturity toward each other. Ok, thanks! I was wondering whether Liam had given his version of things regarding any of these matters, as I was really absent from oasis related stuff from 2014 to 2017, and could easily have missed something, as Liam's been prolific in interviews and Twitter usage in later years. You are absolutely right regarding immaturity. Nevertheless, call me a cynic, but I suppose part of it is related to marketing. Both Noel's digs (particularly in earlier years) and more recently, Liam's tweets, for instance, Liam not letting Noel's comments slide off his back and answering on Twitter has been useful for him, at least as useful, if not more than Noel's "portrayal of Liam" in the press. Generates press everytime he tweets about Noel. He gets replies and retweets from his following that generates publicity for him. I'd even dare to say it may have played a role in his "ressurgence", particularly with the One Love gig And in this day and age, with the "footballification of everything" people are so entrenched in their tribes that they won't question anything. There are some good examples of this amongst his followers. When you are being interviewed what you say can be immediately questioned back. That doesn't happen on Twitter. You can literally say anything and not be questioned, that's why populists like it so much. Maybe it's me showing my age, but social media, and Twitter in particular, has a huge ability of turning things in "us vs them". And sadly, this is also so common among the oasis fanbase, it kind of becomes toxic, in a way. Irony? Hypocrisy? Or both? Look, lets for arguments sake just say its all Liam's fault past, present and future and leave it at that. Its so fucking boring that you can't criticise Noel on a individual point without you and others turning up to forensically analyse the previous decade (convenient timeframe ) until we find that all the roads lead to Liam. |
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Post by bogaloo on Feb 21, 2019 19:54:22 GMT -5
Ok, thanks! I was wondering whether Liam had given his version of things regarding any of these matters, as I was really absent from oasis related stuff from 2014 to 2017, and could easily have missed something, as Liam's been prolific in interviews and Twitter usage in later years. You are absolutely right regarding immaturity. Nevertheless, call me a cynic, but I suppose part of it is related to marketing. Both Noel's digs (particularly in earlier years) and more recently, Liam's tweets, for instance, Liam not letting Noel's comments slide off his back and answering on Twitter has been useful for him, at least as useful, if not more than Noel's "portrayal of Liam" in the press. Generates press everytime he tweets about Noel. He gets replies and retweets from his following that generates publicity for him. I'd even dare to say it may have played a role in his "ressurgence", particularly with the One Love gig And in this day and age, with the "footballification of everything" people are so entrenched in their tribes that they won't question anything. There are some good examples of this amongst his followers. When you are being interviewed what you say can be immediately questioned back. That doesn't happen on Twitter. You can literally say anything and not be questioned, that's why populists like it so much. Maybe it's me showing my age, but social media, and Twitter in particular, has a huge ability of turning things in "us vs them". And sadly, this is also so common among the oasis fanbase, it kind of becomes toxic, in a way. Irony? Hypocrisy? Or both? Look, lets for arguments sake just say its all Liam's fault past, present and future and leave it at that. Its so fucking boring that you can't criticise Noel on a individual point without you and others turning up to forensically analyse the previous decade (convenient timeframe ) until we find that all the roads lead to Liam. None of the above. The analyse of the previous decade is genuine. I didn't listen to many of Liam's interviews. I can analyse any point you like of any of their past. But, as with anything, put it in due perspective, because it matters. And yes, I find much of Liam's following cringeworthy, even in issues unrelated to Noel. So, there's that. And I stand by my claim that populists love Twitter. Trump, anyone? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Feb 21, 2019 20:07:19 GMT -5
Irony? Hypocrisy? Or both? Look, lets for arguments sake just say its all Liam's fault past, present and future and leave it at that. Its so fucking boring that you can't criticise Noel on a individual point without you and others turning up to forensically analyse the previous decade (convenient timeframe ) until we find that all the roads lead to Liam. None of the above. The analyse of the previous decade is genuine. I didn't listen to many of Liam's interviews. I can analyse any point you like of any of their past. But, as with anything, put it in due perspective, because it matters. And yes, I find much of Liam's following cringeworthy, even in issues unrelated to Noel. So, there's that. And I stand by my claim that populists love Twitter. Trump, anyone? That you would imply fans of Liam are just tribal sheep shows you have absolutely no perspective on how your own posts come across, |
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Post by bogaloo on Feb 21, 2019 20:32:10 GMT -5
None of the above. The analyse of the previous decade is genuine. I didn't listen to many of Liam's interviews. I can analyse any point you like of any of their past. But, as with anything, put it in due perspective, because it matters. And yes, I find much of Liam's following cringeworthy, even in issues unrelated to Noel. So, there's that. And I stand by my claim that populists love Twitter. Trump, anyone? That you would imply fans of Liam are just tribal sheep shows you have absolutely no perspective on how your own posts come across, Some of Liam's fans are tribal sheep. Some of Noel's fans are tribal sheep. Now, do you have perspective on how some of your own posts come across? Do you really want to carry on with this argument? Because I don't really see the point. It will lead to nowhere, as always. |
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Post by janelr on Feb 21, 2019 21:46:02 GMT -5
OK yes, that's what it was. I couldn't remember exactly but somebody did ask that question why he sang WOG. Thanks, I was beginning to think I imagined it. Come on like... what else would he say? The 'Imagine' bit is probably true but he's hardly gonna say that his management insisted on him performing his new single, is he? Well hey believe what you want. Nobody here can prove Liam didn't do One Love for fully altruistic reasons, just as Liam can't prove Noel didn't do his bit for fully altruistic reasons. I'm just less cynical about it all. And who knows? Maybe we'll see behind the scenes stuff in the documentary that'll shed light on all the dastardly machinations 😈 |
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