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Post by tcole on Jan 19, 2018 18:18:29 GMT -5
I never said Noel's doing any worse this time around, I was just saying that Noel and Liam are not in the same league like you suggested. AYW sold better, it's holding well in the charts, and tickets for his UK tour were like gold dust, with only a small portion of the people looking for tickets actually able to get them. Whereas Noel's hasn't sold half as quick. I do agree that this is partly down to the fact that this is Liam's first album/tour and it's Noel's third outing, but it still doesn't change the fact that they're not in the same league. Also the capacity is correct - Noel's UK tour is under 90,000, and Finsbury & LLC is exactly 90,000 combined. I don't think Noel gets any of the money from the gigs, it's the venues who pay licensing for the songs not Liam I must admit I thought LCC had less capacity. If it's true they have put on sale tickets for the whole capacity of those venues, it's quite impressive and I agree that probably Noel would not sell them out today, although it's difficult to know for sure. Anyway, as I said, I still think Noel songs play a big part in the success of those big gigs And, for the record, you can easily check by yourself that: 1) LCC is still not sold out (not even in the primary market, check Liam's website). 2) The capacity of Noel's arena tour is well over 90k (I would say 120k in a quick estimate) and he will probably add more dates. Of course they play a big part, the Oasis catalogue plays just as big a part for Noel too, if he was to announce tomorrow he'd never play Oasis songs again he wouldn't be playing arenas. The LCC is sold out, only a few days ago but it's sold out. And if you include Belfast it's just under 90,000. Largest venue is Manchester, 21,000 if it's not sectioned off |
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Post by Spaceman on Jan 19, 2018 18:48:13 GMT -5
If Liam was on Sour Mash he would have still sold more. That's what people are referring too in terms of quality as they both have very similar fan bases. If Liam was on Sour Mash most people would be unaware about an album. What evidence do you have to support that? |
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Post by janedoe on Jan 20, 2018 1:51:21 GMT -5
And by that logic, Ed Sheeran's Divide is far superior to As You Were. If Liam was on Sour Mash he would have still sold more. That's what people are referring too in terms of quality as they both have very similar fan bases. That's an interesting argument! Nobody cares about the label I agree with frogerz tho. I reckon the success of AYW and the sell-out gigs is beyond Warners' original expectations |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jan 20, 2018 3:09:14 GMT -5
I must admit I thought LCC had less capacity. If it's true they have put on sale tickets for the whole capacity of those venues, it's quite impressive and I agree that probably Noel would not sell them out today, although it's difficult to know for sure. Anyway, as I said, I still think Noel songs play a big part in the success of those big gigs And, for the record, you can easily check by yourself that: 1) LCC is still not sold out (not even in the primary market, check Liam's website). 2) The capacity of Noel's arena tour is well over 90k (I would say 120k in a quick estimate) and he will probably add more dates. LCC is completely sold out as you can easily check (not only in the out-of-date liam's website) And about this thread. It's not about WBTM selling bad and Noel performing i half-empty venues...it has sold very very good for a 50 years rock act nd his UK tour will be completely sold out shortly. The thing is Liam&AYW have completely exceed all expectations. NOBODY had thought one year ago that Liam would have a platinum album before Noel and he would perform for 40,000&50,000 people only by himself You are right about LCC. I assumed the information in Liam's website would be accurate and didn't double check I pretty much agree with what you say but both in this thread and others there are people saying the opposite: that Noel's album and ticket sales are much slower this time which, as you say, does not seen to be the case at all |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 20, 2018 3:14:52 GMT -5
If Liam was on Sour Mash most people would be unaware about an album. What evidence do you have to support that? They don't fucking promote anything. Had I not been on this forum I probably wouldn't have known Noel has an album out. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Jan 20, 2018 3:31:29 GMT -5
I must admit I thought LCC had less capacity. If it's true they have put on sale tickets for the whole capacity of those venues, it's quite impressive and I agree that probably Noel would not sell them out today, although it's difficult to know for sure. Anyway, as I said, I still think Noel songs play a big part in the success of those big gigs And, for the record, you can easily check by yourself that: 1) LCC is still not sold out (not even in the primary market, check Liam's website). 2) The capacity of Noel's arena tour is well over 90k (I would say 120k in a quick estimate) and he will probably add more dates. Of course they play a big part, the Oasis catalogue plays just as big a part for Noel too, if he was to announce tomorrow he'd never play Oasis songs again he wouldn't be playing arenas. The LCC is sold out, only a few days ago but it's sold out. And if you include Belfast it's just under 90,000. Largest venue is Manchester, 21,000 if it's not sectioned off Regarding Oasis songs, Noel wrote and completely arranged 8 out of 16 songs in the latest Liam setlists. Liam wrote none and sang one-two of the latest Noel setlists. If you really think it's the same thing, well, whatever And regarding the capacity of the venues in Noel's tour, I cannot believe I have spent 10 minutes of my life in such a pointless exercise, but I have googled the capacity of all his UK venues and it sums approx 130k |
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Post by joladella on Jan 20, 2018 5:57:32 GMT -5
What evidence do you have to support that? They don't fucking promote anything. Had I not been on this forum I probably wouldn't have known Noel has an album out. He did not do much so far, but that might be his choice. But he had Jools Holland, Graham Norton, Alan Carr, several magazine covers and interviews, radio interviews and even outside of UK he was in a few magazines, I saw a commercial on a German TV music station and that short bit on Tracks by Arte. Also, his official twitter is pretty busy and if he prefers to instagram Matthew McC instead of stuff about his album, his choice again. |
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Post by frogerz on Jan 20, 2018 6:15:20 GMT -5
If Liam was on Sour Mash he would have still sold more. That's what people are referring too in terms of quality as they both have very similar fan bases. If Liam was on Sour Mash most people would be unaware about an album. But they would be aware of Noel, right? Let's be honests Noel's sales in this day and age are pretty good. |
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Post by tcole on Jan 20, 2018 6:21:28 GMT -5
Of course they play a big part, the Oasis catalogue plays just as big a part for Noel too, if he was to announce tomorrow he'd never play Oasis songs again he wouldn't be playing arenas. The LCC is sold out, only a few days ago but it's sold out. And if you include Belfast it's just under 90,000. Largest venue is Manchester, 21,000 if it's not sectioned off Regarding Oasis songs, Noel wrote and completely arranged 8 out of 16 songs in the latest Liam setlists. Liam wrote none and sang one-two of the latest Noel setlists. If you really think it's the same thing, well, whatever And regarding the capacity of the venues in Noel's tour, I cannot believe I have spent 10 minutes of my life in such a pointless exercise, but I have googled the capacity of all his UK venues and it sums approx 130k I never said it's the same thing, I said the Oasis songs play just as big a part for Noel's success as they do for Liam's. Just as they do for any artist from a large band who goes solo. Do you think Noel would be able to sell out an arena tour if he announced he's not going to play any Oasis tunes whatsoever? Even with the Oasis tunes it's not sold out, so I'd say it would have a huge impact. Also this completely deviates from your original point which was incorrect, "they are in the same league both in terms of album sales and ticket sales". They are not in the same league, maybe this time last year Noel was miles ahead of Liam, but since then the roles have completely reversed. Liam's solo career has managed to surpass Noel's in less than 1 year, something none of us here could have ever imagined or predicted, but it's true. Is it partly because he used a co-writer on some tunes? Yes. Is it partly because he plays Oasis songs? Yes. But this still doesn't take away from the fact that out of the two brothers, Liam is the bigger name, in a completely different league. |
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Post by Spaceman on Jan 20, 2018 6:33:13 GMT -5
What evidence do you have to support that? They don't fucking promote anything. Had I not been on this forum I probably wouldn't have known Noel has an album out. In other words, there is no evidence. |
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Post by bogaloo on Jan 20, 2018 6:52:00 GMT -5
Regarding Oasis songs, Noel wrote and completely arranged 8 out of 16 songs in the latest Liam setlists. Liam wrote none and sang one-two of the latest Noel setlists. If you really think it's the same thing, well, whatever And regarding the capacity of the venues in Noel's tour, I cannot believe I have spent 10 minutes of my life in such a pointless exercise, but I have googled the capacity of all his UK venues and it sums approx 130k I never said it's the same thing, I said the Oasis songs play just as big a part for Noel's success as they do for Liam's. Just as they do for any artist from a large band who goes solo. Do you think Noel would be able to sell out an arena tour if he announced he's not going to play any Oasis tunes whatsoever? Even with the Oasis tunes it's not sold out, so I'd say it would have a huge impact. Also this completely deviates from your original point which was incorrect, But this still doesn't take away from the fact that out of the two brothers, Liam is the bigger name, in a completely different league.Well, I haven't done research like capanb2000 and I think you make some valid points regarding Liam's public perception. Nevertheless, I think it would be only fair to hold judgement until Liam release his second or third album. Many of Liam-only fans are teenagers now. How many of us have grown out on things we loved as teenagers? |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Jan 20, 2018 8:52:21 GMT -5
If Liam was on Sour Mash most people would be unaware about an album. But they would be aware of Noel, right? Let's be honests Noel's sales in this day and age are pretty good. What do you mean? Yeah they are pretty good, but they could've done more. I'm fairly sure that in my country most people weren't aware of an album. |
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Post by bestwick8 on Jan 20, 2018 12:33:08 GMT -5
A thing I am not understanding is people bitching about is Noel being a dick has effected his album sales... I don’t think the majority of the world follows him as and watches interviews as closely as us members of this forum. If being a dick has everything to do with sales, Kanye would sell zero albums, he’s perhaps the biggest twat out there, yet still sells millions of records and sell out massive shows.
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Post by freddy838 on Jan 20, 2018 13:35:22 GMT -5
A thing I am not understanding is people bitching about is Noel being a dick has effected his album sales... I don’t think the majority of the world follows him as and watches interviews as closely as us members of this forum. If being a dick has everything to do with sales, Kanye would sell zero albums, he’s perhaps the biggest twat out there, yet still sells millions of records and sell out massive shows. I don't know much about Kanye but I doubt he has a go at his core fan base like Noel did with the parka monkey thing. Whether that comment actually stopped anyone buying the record I guess we will never know, but I still don't know why Noel did that. |
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Post by popeyebonaparte on Jan 20, 2018 13:43:15 GMT -5
I think the quality of the music reflects the strength of the sales to be honest with you. I had planned to buy Who Built The Moon until the organ donor comment. That pissed me off enough to not want to support him in any way. Eventually I heard the album and although it's got good some songs on it, it does sound like a failed hipster running out of inspiration. Paying a producer to record your doodles and format them into something listenable is not being innovative, it's losing the inspiration to write real songs. You could put a chimp in front of a synthesizer for a day and he would come up with a listenable enough soundbite for the kind of songs on WBTM.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 13:53:14 GMT -5
I think the quality of the music reflects the strength of the sales to be honest with you. I had planned to buy Who Built The Moon until the organ donor comment. That pissed me off enough to not want to support him in any way. Eventually I heard the album and although it's got good some songs on it, it does sound like a failed hipster running out of inspiration. Paying a producer to record your doodles and format them into something listenable is not being innovative, it's losing the inspiration to write real songs. You could put a chimp in front of a synthesizer for a day and he would come up with a listenable enough soundbite for the kind of songs on WBTM.Doubt it. The University of Plymouth tried it with a computer keyboard to see what 6 macaques could type in a month : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem#Real_monkeys |
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Post by LlAM on Jan 20, 2018 15:02:49 GMT -5
I think the quality of the music reflects the strength of the sales to be honest with you. I had planned to buy Who Built The Moon until the organ donor comment. That pissed me off enough to not want to support him in any way. Eventually I heard the album and although it's got good some songs on it, it does sound like a failed hipster running out of inspiration. Paying a producer to record your doodles and format them into something listenable is not being innovative, it's losing the inspiration to write real songs. You could put a chimp in front of a synthesizer for a day and he would come up with a listenable enough soundbite for the kind of songs on WBTM. Its a matter of taste though isn't it? As You Were will appeal to a broader audience though so you might have a point. I cant imagine many mums picking up Who Built The Moon in Sainsbury's. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 20, 2018 15:10:28 GMT -5
I think the quality of the music reflects the strength of the sales to be honest with you. I had planned to buy Who Built The Moon until the organ donor comment. That pissed me off enough to not want to support him in any way. Eventually I heard the album and although it's got good some songs on it, it does sound like a failed hipster running out of inspiration. Paying a producer to record your doodles and format them into something listenable is not being innovative, it's losing the inspiration to write real songs. You could put a chimp in front of a synthesizer for a day and he would come up with a listenable enough soundbite for the kind of songs on WBTM. Its a matter of taste though isn't it? As You Were will appeal to a broader audience though so you might have a point. I cant imagine many mums picking up Who Built The Moon in Sainsbury's. The big irony is MOON isn’t that big of a departure for Noel. It’s not like it’s Kid A or something. Pretty straight forward really. |
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Post by bestwick8 on Jan 20, 2018 15:11:23 GMT -5
A thing I am not understanding is people bitching about is Noel being a dick has effected his album sales... I don’t think the majority of the world follows him as and watches interviews as closely as us members of this forum. If being a dick has everything to do with sales, Kanye would sell zero albums, he’s perhaps the biggest twat out there, yet still sells millions of records and sell out massive shows. I don't know much about Kanye but I doubt he has a go at his core fan base like Noel did with the parka monkey thing. Whether that comment actually stopped anyone buying the record I guess we will never know, but I still don't know why Noel did that. That “parka monkey” really caught on fast haha. It really proves how influential and quotable Noel is, just one mention in a gram post and it’s on the cover of Q. I never really saw that as a quip either way. |
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Post by fiordiligi on Jan 20, 2018 15:31:48 GMT -5
Where does this thing about moms buying AYW come from? Moms suddenly like Liam Gallagher because of one song? After being the bad boy for decades?
Liam sold more than Noel because he gained a lot of new young fans not because moms liked FWIW.
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Post by ricardogce on Jan 20, 2018 15:39:51 GMT -5
I never said it's the same thing, I said the Oasis songs play just as big a part for Noel's success as they do for Liam's. Just as they do for any artist from a large band who goes solo. Do you think Noel would be able to sell out an arena tour if he announced he's not going to play any Oasis tunes whatsoever? Even with the Oasis tunes it's not sold out, so I'd say it would have a huge impact. Also this completely deviates from your original point which was incorrect, But this still doesn't take away from the fact that out of the two brothers, Liam is the bigger name, in a completely different league.Well, I haven't done research like capanb2000 and I think you make some valid points regarding Liam's public perception. Nevertheless, I think it would be only fair to hold judgement until Liam release his second or third album. Many of Liam-only fans are teenagers now. How many of us have grown out on things we loved as teenagers? Seeing how we are on an Oasis forum nearly 10 years after the band broke up, I'd say that's the wrong hill to die on  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 20, 2018 16:01:37 GMT -5
Where does this thing about moms buying AYW come from? Moms suddenly like Liam Gallagher because of one song? After being the bad boy for decades? Liam sold more than Noel because he gained a lot of new young fans not because moms liked FWIW. My mom doesn't like either. She liked David Gray. |
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Post by bogaloo on Jan 20, 2018 16:15:32 GMT -5
Well, I haven't done research like capanb2000 and I think you make some valid points regarding Liam's public perception. Nevertheless, I think it would be only fair to hold judgement until Liam release his second or third album. Many of Liam-only fans are teenagers now. How many of us have grown out on things we loved as teenagers? Seeing how we are on an Oasis forum nearly 10 years after the band broke up, I'd say that's the wrong hill to die on We are, how many of your friends who initially jumped on the bandwagon are, though? Yes, I still remember 1995 😉 I kept oasis and added maaaany other bands and artists since then. I still follow the gallagher's work, with fond memories, but I tend to sympathise more with noel's attempt of progression, despite thinking he's not quite there yet, than Liam's attempt at the same formula- Mind, I'm happy he's doing it and succeding, but it's really no longer where my heart is- It may happen the same with these kids😉 |
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Post by Headmaster on Jan 20, 2018 21:43:40 GMT -5
Its a matter of taste though isn't it? As You Were will appeal to a broader audience though so you might have a point. I cant imagine many mums picking up Who Built The Moon in Sainsbury's. The big irony is MOON isn’t that big of a departure for Noel. It’s not like it’s Kid A or something. Pretty straight forward really. Not even Kid A is that big of a departure, if Radiohead had release Kid A after The Bends then it would have been a big departure, but OKC did the bridge, many elements of Kid A were already on OKC. Maybe a big departure would have be something like U2's Joshua Tree to Achtung Baby. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Jan 20, 2018 23:42:45 GMT -5
The big irony is MOON isn’t that big of a departure for Noel. It’s not like it’s Kid A or something. Pretty straight forward really. Not even Kid A is that big of a departure, if Radiohead had release Kid A after The Bends then it would have been a big departure, but OKC did the bridge, many elements of Kid A were already on OKC. Maybe a big departure would have be something like U2's Joshua Tree to Achtung Baby. Oh I think you are understating the shock waves of Kid A. People and fans weren’t happy. Kinda reminds me of the Last Jedi backlash. Kid A basically has no guitars, samples, weird keyboards and Thom with a million voice manipulations. They released no singles. No videos. Did almost zero press. It was drastic as hell and took huge balls to go 180 on the much acclaimed ok computer. Many more lights years between ok computer and kid a compared to Joshu to Achtung. |
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