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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 9, 2017 10:39:47 GMT -5
This beast: He had all the technical ability (and more) of his brother, and he rocked harder as well. Alan never hit his tubs hard enough (see It's Gettin' Better (Man!!)), but as you can tell from the vid above, Steve had no problem with that. |
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Dec 9, 2017 10:46:07 GMT -5
I still miss Alan. Outside Noel and Liam, he represented the best and the glory of Oasis. Gem, Andy and the spinal tap drummers did not. I do love Chris Sharrock though. He did some great stuff on record with Beady Eye (see Second Bite of the Apple for the slinkiest drum track ever recorded for a Gallagher tune), and he's a buzz to watch live with all that throwing his sticks in the air and catching them, and all that malarkey. I look forward to hearing him play on whatever tunes Noel comes up with next. I assume we're finally shot of Jeremy Stacey?... (I hope so anyway!) |
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Post by funhouse on Dec 9, 2017 12:47:46 GMT -5
The only thing to get angry about here is how he uses spacing before each full stop.
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Post by coolprophet on Dec 9, 2017 13:21:13 GMT -5
I dont know if that's the reason of his departure though. I guess he probably thought he had enough money. And the DIV sessions were probably not gonna bring him much sunshine... He couldn't handle the booze from around end of the SOTSOG tour. Liam and him who were best mates within the band did sort of binge drinking 2001-03 tours - so Noel thought he needs to do something to keep the band going. Even there were some quality gigs around that time the band was really in the worst condition. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 9, 2017 13:51:08 GMT -5
I still miss Alan. Outside Noel and Liam, he represented the best and the glory of Oasis. Gem, Andy and the spinal tap drummers did not. Massively unfair on all those who came since. Sharrock is a brilliant drummer and Andy and Gem were at least in part responsible for some great performances. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 9, 2017 13:52:38 GMT -5
The guy who did one 15 day tour with Oasis 15 years ago and still badmouth Noel everytime he can, because his rich brother got sacked. He'd made it as a drummer about a decade before Oasis put there first record out. He's great, probably the best drummer Oasis had play with them. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 9, 2017 13:55:00 GMT -5
I still miss Alan. Outside Noel and Liam, he represented the best and the glory of Oasis. Gem, Andy and the spinal tap drummers did not. Massively unfair on all those who came since. Sharrock is a brilliant drummer and Andy and Gem were at least in part responsible for some great performances. My point was the band I fell in love with was down to 3 members by fall 1999. When Alan finally departed that old band was now gone for good. Granted you still had the main driving forces but it’s not the same band anymore. The chemistry gone. That’s why when people say Oasis reunion, I say it has to for me have Bonehead, Guigs and Alan. Not saying I want that but that’s my lineup. No offense to Gem and Andy. |
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Post by jason77 on Dec 9, 2017 14:02:09 GMT -5
When bonehead and Guigsy left the band was not the same anymore oasis were in there prime 94-97.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 9, 2017 14:49:16 GMT -5
Massively unfair on all those who came since. Sharrock is a brilliant drummer and Andy and Gem were at least in part responsible for some great performances. My point was the band I fell in love with was down to 3 members by fall 1999. When Alan finally departed that old band was now gone for good. Granted you still had the main driving forces but it’s not the same band anymore. The chemistry gone. That’s why when people say Oasis reunion, I say it has to for me have Bonehead, Guigs and Alan. Not saying I want that but that’s my lineup. No offense to Gem and Andy. We'll have to disagree on that. I think there was plenty of chemisty live. The tours of 2001 are some of Oasis's best with Gem/Andy and Steve in America. I think they also turned in some of the best versions of Oasis songs after 1999. Its the classic line up for sure but when I listen to Oasis live my picks are dotted about from classic and well after. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 9, 2017 14:56:41 GMT -5
My point was the band I fell in love with was down to 3 members by fall 1999. When Alan finally departed that old band was now gone for good. Granted you still had the main driving forces but it’s not the same band anymore. The chemistry gone. That’s why when people say Oasis reunion, I say it has to for me have Bonehead, Guigs and Alan. Not saying I want that but that’s my lineup. No offense to Gem and Andy. We'll have to disagree on that. I think there was plenty of chemisty live. The tours of 2001 are some of Oasis's best with Gem/Andy and Steve in America. I think they also turned in some of the best versions of Oasis songs after 1999. Its the classic line up for sure but when I listen to Oasis live my picks are dotted about from classic and well after. I much prefer my bootlegs from 1994 to 1998 the best. That’s Oasis. |
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Post by bt95 on Dec 9, 2017 14:57:47 GMT -5
Well his brother left Oasis because Noel was replacing him drum loops. I guess the bitterness comes from that. That wasn't the reason Alan left, though, was it? |
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Post by ricardogce on Dec 9, 2017 15:11:15 GMT -5
I still miss Alan. Outside Noel and Liam, he represented the best and the glory of Oasis. Gem, Andy and the spinal tap drummers did not. I do love Chris Sharrock though. He did some great stuff on record with Beady Eye (see Second Bite of the Apple for the slinkiest drum track ever recorded for a Gallagher tune), and he's a buzz to watch live with all that throwing his sticks in the air and catching them, and all that malarkey. I look forward to hearing him play on whatever tunes Noel comes up with next. I assume we're finally shot of Jeremy Stacey?... (I hope so anyway!) Yeah, I miss Whitey for what he represents, but Chris is the best overall drummer Oasis have ever had. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 9, 2017 21:42:57 GMT -5
We'll have to disagree on that. I think there was plenty of chemisty live. The tours of 2001 are some of Oasis's best with Gem/Andy and Steve in America. I think they also turned in some of the best versions of Oasis songs after 1999. Its the classic line up for sure but when I listen to Oasis live my picks are dotted about from classic and well after. I much prefer my bootlegs from 1994 to 1998 the best. That’s Oasis. You prefer them and that's fine, a lot of people do but you can't tell me what Oasis are any more than I can tell you. They were an entity that lasted from 1991 to 2009. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 9, 2017 22:30:39 GMT -5
I much prefer my bootlegs from 1994 to 1998 the best. That’s Oasis. You prefer them and that's fine, a lot of people do but you can't tell me what Oasis are any more than I can tell you. They were an entity that lasted from 1991 to 2009. That’s prob why I said I prefer............ |
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Post by supernovastar94 on Dec 10, 2017 1:04:24 GMT -5
Maybe not the place (I think I posted this in that unpopular opinions thread) but: Andy + Gem > Guigsy + Bonehead. All the way.
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Post by andymorris on Dec 10, 2017 4:09:59 GMT -5
The guy who did one 15 day tour with Oasis 15 years ago and still badmouth Noel everytime he can, because his rich brother got sacked. He'd made it as a drummer about a decade before Oasis put there first record out. He's great, probably the best drummer Oasis had play with them. I know what he did thanx. Much prefer Alan. Steve is very technical, but Alan has / had more subtilties in his playing. He's a smarter drummer. Well his brother left Oasis because Noel was replacing him drum loops. I guess the bitterness comes from that. That wasn't the reason Alan left, though, was it? No one really knows. Alan was said to be a bit mad Noel was using many loops on SOTSOG and HC. The official reason is that he did not attend a very important meeting about the direction for DBTT. I think he just left because his heart was not in it anymore. I dont know if that's the reason of his departure though. I guess he probably thought he had enough money. And the DIV sessions were probably not gonna bring him much sunshine... He couldn't handle the booze from around end of the SOTSOG tour. Liam and him who were best mates within the band did sort of binge drinking 2001-03 tours - so Noel thought he needs to do something to keep the band going. Even there were some quality gigs around that time the band was really in the worst condition. Yeah, i had heard about that as well. It was probably a cause for his firing / departure too. Much shit is thrown at Noel everytime a band member left, but there was reasons for every one of them really. |
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Post by standbymoi on Dec 10, 2017 4:50:06 GMT -5
I do remember watching the Glasgow 2001 sky one footage and then a year later seeing them on the HC tour and thinking to myself Alan looked more bored than he used to. As though he wasn’t really enjoying it. Like Noel looked in 2008/9
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 10, 2017 5:06:36 GMT -5
He'd made it as a drummer about a decade before Oasis put there first record out. He's great, probably the best drummer Oasis had play with them. I know what he did thanx. Much prefer Alan. Steve is very technical, but Alan has / had more subtilties in his playing. He's a smarter drummer. That wasn't the reason Alan left, though, was it? No one really knows. Alan was said to be a bit mad Noel was using many loops on SOTSOG and HC. The official reason is that he did not attend a very important meeting about the direction for DBTT. I think he just left because his heart was not in it anymore. He couldn't handle the booze from around end of the SOTSOG tour. Liam and him who were best mates within the band did sort of binge drinking 2001-03 tours - so Noel thought he needs to do something to keep the band going. Even there were some quality gigs around that time the band was really in the worst condition. Yeah, i had heard about that as well. It was probably a cause for his firing / departure too. Much shit is thrown at Noel everytime a band member left, but there was reasons for every one of them really. Having watched Steve quite a bit with Weller I'd say he is capable of all Alan is and more. Not saying Alan was bad but Steve White is amazing. If you know what he did you'd be better off not sounding bitter because someone isn't a fan of your boy Noel. |
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Post by andymorris on Dec 10, 2017 5:31:07 GMT -5
Having watched Steve quite a bit with Weller I'd say he is capable of all Alan is and more. Not saying Alan was bad but Steve White is amazing. If you know what he did you'd be better off not sounding bitter because someone isn't a fan of your boy Noel. I'm not bitter, why should i be ? You're funny sometimes. I find it weird when people are still ranting about someone else 15 years later, that's all. The one who is bitter is that guy. Maybe he wanted the job full time ? From a 2013 interview about the Oasis tour: "we toured America for the best part of the summer of 2001 and it just was fantastic. I had a brilliant time on that tour, one of the highlights of my career". Did not seem so bad didn't it ? transatlanticmodern.com/2013/04/01/interview-steve-white/later in the itw, shocking, he reveals he's close to... Tony McCarroll.
"Tony has become an acquaintance of mine. I wouldn’t say a friend, but an acquaintance that I’ve got a lot of respect for because of my Manchester connections. And a friend of mine, Richard Dolan, co-wrote his autobiography, which I think is an absolutely fantastic book."
We all know how good that book really is... Being close to McCarroll certainly did not change his views about Noel Gallagher... As for his drumming, I dont particularly like it, that's all. He's good, but i prefer drummers that help the song shine, not drummers that try and shine over the song. Alan was the first kind, Steve the second kind. The equivalent of guitarists who are wanking their guitars endlessly. It suits other style of music but did not really fit Oasis. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Dec 10, 2017 6:07:58 GMT -5
Having watched Steve quite a bit with Weller I'd say he is capable of all Alan is and more. Not saying Alan was bad but Steve White is amazing. If you know what he did you'd be better off not sounding bitter because someone isn't a fan of your boy Noel. I'm not bitter, why should i be ? You're funny sometimes. I find it weird when people are still ranting about someone else 15 years later, that's all. The one who is bitter is that guy. Maybe he wanted the job full time ? From a 2013 interview about the Oasis tour: "we toured America for the best part of the summer of 2001 and it just was fantastic. I had a brilliant time on that tour, one of the highlights of my career". Did not seem so bad didn't it ? transatlanticmodern.com/2013/04/01/interview-steve-white/later in the itw, shocking, he reveals he's close to... Tony McCarroll.
"Tony has become an acquaintance of mine. I wouldn’t say a friend, but an acquaintance that I’ve got a lot of respect for because of my Manchester connections. And a friend of mine, Richard Dolan, co-wrote his autobiography, which I think is an absolutely fantastic book."
We all know how good that book really is... Being close to McCarroll certainly did not change his views about Noel Gallagher... As for his drumming, I dont particularly like it, that's all. He's good, but i prefer drummers that help the song shine, not drummers that try and shine over the song. Alan was the first kind, Steve the second kind. The equivalent of guitarists who are wanking their guitars endlessly. It suits other style of music but did not really fit Oasis. He wasn't ranting he's watching his tv and making a comment about it. Just like thousands of other people do, just like we do. Well we'll have to agree to disagree, and I don't know how much you've seen of him with Weller but he does subtle as well as he does powerful, he would have never lasted with Paul that long if he didn't. I also don't know how he didn't fit Oasis, those video's from the Greek Theatre are amazing he gave a drive to those songs they hadn't had before. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 10, 2017 14:44:55 GMT -5
I'm not bitter, why should i be ? You're funny sometimes. I find it weird when people are still ranting about someone else 15 years later, that's all. The one who is bitter is that guy. Maybe he wanted the job full time ? From a 2013 interview about the Oasis tour: "we toured America for the best part of the summer of 2001 and it just was fantastic. I had a brilliant time on that tour, one of the highlights of my career". Did not seem so bad didn't it ? transatlanticmodern.com/2013/04/01/interview-steve-white/later in the itw, shocking, he reveals he's close to... Tony McCarroll.
"Tony has become an acquaintance of mine. I wouldn’t say a friend, but an acquaintance that I’ve got a lot of respect for because of my Manchester connections. And a friend of mine, Richard Dolan, co-wrote his autobiography, which I think is an absolutely fantastic book."
We all know how good that book really is... Being close to McCarroll certainly did not change his views about Noel Gallagher... As for his drumming, I dont particularly like it, that's all. He's good, but i prefer drummers that help the song shine, not drummers that try and shine over the song. Alan was the first kind, Steve the second kind. The equivalent of guitarists who are wanking their guitars endlessly. It suits other style of music but did not really fit Oasis. He wasn't ranting he's watching his tv and making a comment about it. Just like thousands of other people do, just like we do. Well we'll have to agree to disagree, and I don't know how much you've seen of him with Weller but he does subtle as well as he does powerful, he would have never lasted with Paul that long if he didn't. I also don't know how he didn't fit Oasis, those video's from the Greek Theatre are amazing he gave a drive to those songs they hadn't had before. I think I only saw Steve on drums 2-3 times. Once in New Jersey in 2001 and Las Vegas 2002. He was pretty damn good. Liked him more than Zak. |
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Post by goletitout1986 on Dec 10, 2017 14:45:27 GMT -5
Whitey will always be my favourite drummer - I based how I play on him. Terribly underrated in my opinion.
His isolated drums on WTSMG are incredible - you have to bear in mind he'd only been in the band around 4-6 weeks at that point too and nailed it on one of the biggest albums ever.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 17:18:16 GMT -5
I think I only saw Steve on drums 2-3 times. Once in New Jersey in 2001 and Las Vegas 2002. He was pretty damn good. Liked him more than Zak. [/quote] Alan was back on drums in 2002. Steve did one tour and one tour only. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 10, 2017 17:47:50 GMT -5
I think I only saw Steve on drums 2-3 times. Once in New Jersey in 2001 and Las Vegas 2002. He was pretty damn good. Liked him more than Zak. Alan was back on drums in 2002. Steve did one tour and one tour only.[/quote] Looks like I got my whites confused. |
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Post by The Chief on Dec 11, 2017 7:42:14 GMT -5
Could be a mix of Gallagher/Weller bitterness given Weller played keyboards on Holy Mountain.
But for Alan's departure I thought he had a fallen out with Liam, not Noel.
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