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Post by thegirlwiththeblues on Nov 22, 2017 18:03:27 GMT -5
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Post by lalaland on Nov 22, 2017 18:28:52 GMT -5
„Ich bin doch nicht Radiohead. Verdammt noch mal“ Von Michael Pilz | Stand: 22.11.2017 | Lesedauer: 9 Minuten Noel Gallagher Noel Gallagher Noel Gallagher: „Jeder Tag ohne Oasis ist ein guter Tag“ Quelle: Lawrence Watson | Verstärker Noel Gallagher ist 50 Jahre alter Mann aus Manchester, der breitbeinig auf dem Sofa sitzt, seine Musik mag und sonst wenig auf der Welt. Ein Gespräch über politische Musik und Oasis – obwohl er sich darüber nie wieder äußern wollte. 0 Kommentare Im Sommer vor acht Jahren warf Liam Gallagher vor einem Auftritt seinem älteren Bruder Noel eine Pflaume an den Kopf. Noel Gallagher stieg in ein Taxi, fuhr nach Hause und erklärte die Familienband für aufgelöst. Seither wartet die Welt auf eine Auferstehung von Oasis. Es herrscht Waffenruhe: Liam nennt sein erstes echtes Soloalbum „As You Were“. Noel veröffentlicht unter dem Namen Noel Gallager‘s High Flying Birds „Who Built the Moon?“, ein Album, das sich anhört, wie Oasis heute klingen sollte. Als würde der Britpop der vergangenen 50 Jahre sich in einem Dutzend großspuriger Songs verdichten. Es sind Stücke, die so sind wie Noel Gallagher – ein 50 Jahre alter Mann aus Manchester, der breitbeinig in Mailand auf dem Sofa sitzt, seine Musik mag und sonst wenig auf der Welt.
DIE WELT: Sagen Sie mir, wenn ich mich irre, aber Ihr neues Album ist nicht sehr politisch. Oder?
Noel Gallagher: Nö. Sollte es das denn sein?
DIE WELT: Die Zeiten wären wohl danach. Aber vielleicht ist das auch nur eine persönliche Obsession.
Gallagher: Möglich. Ich habe mit Politik nämlich nicht das Geringste zu schaffen. Politik ist langweilig. Wenn täglich das Gleiche geschieht, trifft das exakt meine Vorstellung von Langeweile. Immer dasselbe, jeden verdammten Tag. Und ihr Journalisten nennt das, was die Politik anstellt, auch noch News. Politiker sind sehr effizient heute, sie sind Ökonomen.
DIE WELT: Wie wäre es, dagegen anzusingen?
Gallagher: Auch langweilig. Ich habe meine Ansichten und Meinungen, das können Sie mir glauben. Aber warum sollte ich mir meine Musik damit versauen? Musik ist Ablenkung. Menschen mögen Musik, weil sie tanzen möchten. Sie wollen nicht, dass ihnen einer die News vorsingt. Zu News kann man nicht tanzen. Was sollte der Islamische Staat auch noch in einem meiner Songs zu suchen haben? Wie soll sich das anhören? Oh nein, nicht mit mir. Soll doch die Politik die Gesellschaft ruinieren und Europa. Ich bin da raus. Ich bin doch nicht Radiohead. Verdammt noch mal.
DIE WELT: Wovon sollten Songs also handeln?
Gallagher: Von der Schönheit der Frauen und dem Spaß an Drogen. Einverstanden?
DIE WELT: Damit ließe sich leben. In einem Ihrer neuen Songs singen Sie eine Litanei oder ein Mantra: „You gotta get yourself together“. Wer und was kommt da zusammen und wofür oder wogegen?
Gallagher: Sie wollen es wirklich wissen, was? Das nenn ich mal Journalismus. Was glauben Sie?
DIE WELT: Ein kleiner Aufstand?
Gallagher: Wenn Sie so wollen. Auch schön. Ich bin für alles offen. Es geht darum rauszugehen, klar. Allerdings ist es kein bestimmtes Draußen. Eher so ein Überdraußen. Das wäre dann Psychologie und keine Politik. Im vierten Stück des Albums hören wir übrigens eine junge Französin. Sie ruft „Attention! Attention!“, sie warnt vor geschlossenen Grenzen und vor Kohlenmonoxid. Aber das bin nicht ich. Das ist die Jugend. Ich bin 50.
LESEN SIE AUCH Wenn sogar Germaine Greer das als Anarchofeministin sagt: Morrissey feiert den Brexit DEBATTE ÜBER MORRISSEY Die Naivität, Pop automatisch für links zu halten DIE WELT: Sollte die junge Popmusik politischer sein? Wie John Lennon früher und die Punks zu ihrer Zeit?
Gallagher: Daran kann ich mich nicht erinnern, da war ich zu jung. Reden wir doch über die Achtziger, da bin ich aufgewachsen. Wer hat über den Kalten Krieg gesungen und die Russen? Wer über die Rezession in England? Mit fällt nur ein einziger Song ein: „Ghost Town“ von den Specials. Der Rest war billige Popmusik. Wie heute. Aber offenbar ist das nicht nur in England so ein Journalistending. Ich sag dann immer: Kommt, spielt mir was vor. Sie spielen „Ghost Town“ von den Specials. Ich sage: Okay, noch was. Sie spielen irgendwas von Billy Bragg. Danach ist immer Schluss. Zwei Politpopsongs in einem Jahrzehnt. Wow. Und die Siebziger? „Give Peace A Chance“ von John Lennon? Das ist verdammter Nonsens. „Everybody’s talking about revolution, evolution, masturbation, flagellation, regulation, integrations, meditations, United Nations, congratulations.“ Hä? Bob Dylan hasst seine Protestsongs, er mag seine Popmusik. Warum wohl?
DIE WELT: Kann man Songs über den Brexit singen?
Gallagher: Jesus! Ich bin sicher, jemand wird sich finden, um es zu versuchen. Was reimt sich auf Brexit? Dogshit? Oh ja, sie werden es tun. Sie werden ein Lied dagegen schreiben, was das Volk gewählt hat. Wie sie in Amerika gegen den Präsidenten singen, den Amerika gewählt hat. Es war kein Militärputsch, es ist kein Faschismus. Donald Trump mag ein Witz sein, ein Wahnsinniger, aber er wurde gewählt. Als ich zum letzten Mal nachgeschlagen habe, was Demokratie bedeutet, war es ungefähr das: Jeder ist frei in seiner Stimme. Unsere Großeltern haben dafür gekämpft. Man muss nicht mit allem einverstanden sein, aber wir leben nicht in Nordkorea. Ich habe garantiert nicht für den Brexit gestimmt. Ich werde damit leben, aber niemals davon singen. Wie heißen die Rechten eigentlich in Deutschland?
DIE WELT: Alternative für Deutschland.
Gallagher: Alternative? Humor scheinen sie jedenfalls zu haben, diese rechten Deutschen.
DIE WELT: Verstehen Sie Brexiteers wie Morrissey und sein Gerede über „Englishness“.
Gallagher: Ich verstehe, woher er kommt. Daher komme ich auch. Aber ich muss nicht notgedrungen denken wie er. Über den Untergang der Englishness hat schon Ray Davies mit den Kinks in den Sechzigern gesungen. Dafür muss ich mich also auch nicht mehr zuständig fühlen. Würden wir noch einmal über den Brexit abstimmen, würde ich wohl auch nicht mehr wählen gehen. Mir geht die Symbolik solcher Bekenntnisse inzwischen genauso auf den Sack wie die Bekenntnisse irgendwelcher Irrer, die mit Lieferwagen über Bürgersteige brettern, um die Welt zu reinigen. Hatte ich schon erwähnt, dass mir meine Musik zu fein für so was ist?
NOEL GALLAGHER'S HIGH FLYING BIRDS: "HOLY MOUNTAIN" Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: "Holy Mountain"
Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds: "Holy Mountain" DIE WELT: Können wir über 1997 reden?
Gallagher: Können wir. Was war da?
DIE WELT: Britpop und Oasis. Sie waren zur Wahlparty bei Tony Blair, als er Premierminister wurde, in der Downing Street.
Gallagher: Und die Frage wäre?
DIE WELT: Warum?
Gallagher: Schwierig.
DIE WELT: War nicht langweilig?
Gallagher: Damals nicht. Erstens: Ich war jung. Zweitens: Ich hatte für Tony Blair was übrig. Drittens: Ich war glücklich über seine Wahl. Und viertens: Ich war eingeladen und hätte mich damals nie getraut, so einen wichtigen Termin einfach zu ignorieren. Downing Street 10 ist die berühmteste Adresse Großbritanniens. Da geht man als kleiner Mann, wenn man gefragt wird, hin. Warum sollte ich das bereuen? Ich kann mich ja nicht mal mehr daran erinnern. Damals mochte ich noch Koks und Schampus.
DIE WELT: Mögen Sie die Labour Party noch?
Gallagher: Nein, ich hasse sie, verdammt noch mal. Ich hasse Jeremy Corbyn. Ich hasse das ganze politische System, aber das hatten wir ja schon. Vor 20 Jahren war die Politik noch eine andere. Die Leute waren noch nicht so extrem, sie standen in der Mitte, etwas links davon oder ein wenig rechts. Sie wählten eine der beiden großen Parteien, niemand hat sich aufgeregt oder herumgebrüllt. Es gab den einen Typen für Konservative und den anderen für Leute, die auch an die Ärmeren dachten. Das war meiner. Ich verstand auch sofort, was New Labour heißen sollte. Corbyn ist Old Labour. Ich lebe im 21. Jahrhundert. Ich bin ich, ein Individuum. Ich habe nie in einem kommunistischen Land gelebt, aber ich glaube, den Kommunismus zu hassen.
DIE WELT: Wie geht es der Arbeiterklasse?
Gallagher: Die ist ganz unten. Unter der alten Arbeiterklasse. Es gibt bei uns eine Fernsehsendung mit dem Titel „In-Work Poverty“. Da geht es um Menschen, die sieben Tage in der Woche arbeiten und arm sind wie die Sperlinge. Da ist was passiert seit 1997. Aber was? War ich einfach cleverer, dass ich heute in meinem Schlösschen sitzen und mir das im Fernsehen anschauen kann? Auch das qualifiziert mich übrigens nicht gerade dazu, noch einmal über den Brexit abzustimmen.
DIE WELT: Vor vier Monaten standen Sie im Olympiastadion von Berlin auf einer viel zu großen Bühne vor der Band U2. Sie waren das Vorprogramm.
Gallagher: Da stand der kleine Noel. Im Regen. Dafür war ich da: Ich sang, was ich zu singen hatte. Bono predigte. Wir mögen uns. Der Unterschied besteht darin, dass Bono auf die Welt scheißt und immer das Gute sieht in allem. Ich scheiße nicht auf die Welt, ich sehe immerzu das Schlechte, auch im Guten. Mich macht alles wütend. Deshalb mache ich Musik und kümmere mich um meine Familie.
This cover image released by Sour Mash Records shows "Who Built The Moon?" by Noel Gallagher‚Äôs High Flying Birds. (Sour Mash Records via AP) Noel Gallaghers's High Flying Birds: "Who Built The Moon?" (Sour Mash) Quelle: AP DIE WELT: Musik könnte die Welt verändern.
Gallagher: Wenn etwas die Welt verändert hat, solange ich Musik mache, dann war es zweierlei. Zuerst das Internet: Wir sind alle verbunden miteinander, es wird keinen Holocaust mehr geben. Auf der anderen Seite ist da eine abgrundtiefe Finsternis mit Islamistenvideos. Gut und Böse sind heute sozial vernetzt. Zum Zweiten: „9/11“ hat die Welt verändert. Einen Tag danach, „9/12“, war die Welt eine andere. Unsere Kinder scheren sich nicht um die Welt davor. Was nicht auf ihrem Telefon zu sehen und zu hören ist, ist nie geschehen.
DIE WELT: Hassen Sie auch die Musik, die Ihre Kinder hören?
Gallagher: Selbstverständlich, wir sind alte Männer, es ist unsere gottverdammte Pflicht, den Hip-Hop unserer Söhne und den Schrott, den unsere Töchter lieben, zu verachten. Aber auch sie werden David Bowie, die Stone Roses und die Beatles schätzen lernen.
DIE WELT: Auch Oasis?
Gallagher: Auch Oasis. Eine große Band aus Manchester.
DIE WELT: Reden wir darüber?
Gallagher: Werden wir wohl müssen. O-A-S-I-S! Ist schon erstaunlich, was wir angerichtet haben. Wo ich aufkreuze, erklären mir wildfremde Menschen, dass Oasis sich wieder vereinen müsse, als wäre dann alles wieder gut. Ich wüsste nicht, weshalb. Es interessiert mich nicht, ich glaube nicht mal, dass es Liam interessiert. Er macht sich doch nur wichtig, wenn er allen sagt, er würde es sogar umsonst tun. Ich würde es nicht für 200 Millionen Dollar machen.
DIE WELT: Und für 300 Millionen?
Gallagher: Für kein Geld der Welt. Ich will nur glücklich sein und Liams Fresse nicht mehr sehen müssen. Seit zwei Jahren bin ich ihm nicht mehr begegnet. Seit zwei Jahren bin ich rundum glücklich. Jeder Tag ohne Oasis, ohne meinen Bruder, ist ein guter Tag.
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 22, 2017 18:44:31 GMT -5
My German is not very good (kaput I should say) but as far as I understood that's just one more standard Noel interview. He reinforced the fact that he "hates" Jeremy Corbyn and Labour and said any day far from Liam is a good day. Some Radiohead bashing there as well.
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Post by RocketMan on Nov 22, 2017 18:48:58 GMT -5
My German is not very good (kaput I should say) but as far as I understood that's just one more standard Noel interview. He reinforced the fact that he "hates" Jeremy Corbyn and Labour and said any day far from Liam is a good day. Some Radiohead bashing there as well. yes, nothing new in there.
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Post by lalaland on Nov 22, 2017 18:49:12 GMT -5
I do recall a time when reading / watching / listening to Noel interviews was almost like a hobby of mine. Wasn't even that long ago... What the fuck happened???
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Post by GreedyTune on Nov 22, 2017 18:49:38 GMT -5
You're true my hero lalaland Goggle Translator worked well. Noel Gallagher is a 50-year-old man from Manchester, who sits on the sofa with wide legs, likes his music and little else in the world. A conversation about political music and Oasis - although he never wanted to talk about it again. In the summer of eight years ago, Liam Gallagher threw a plum at his older brother Noel's face. Noel Gallagher got into a taxi, drove home and declared the family band dissolved. Since then, the world is waiting for a resurrection of Oasis. There is a ceasefire: Liam calls his first real solo album "As You Were". Noel publishes Noel Gallager's High Flying Birds "Who Built the Moon?", An album that sounds like Oasis should sound today. As if the Britpop of the past 50 years would condense in a dozen cocky songs. These are pieces that are like Noel Gallagher - a 50-year-old man from Manchester, who sits on the sofa with wide legs in Milan, likes his music and little else in the world. THE WORLD: Tell me, if I'm wrong, but your new album is not very political. Or? Noel Gallagher: Nope. Should it be that? THE WORLD: The times would be after that. But maybe that's just a personal obsession. Gallagher: Possible. I have nothing to do with politics. Politics is boring. If the same thing happens daily, that exactly matches my idea of boredom. Always the same, every damn day. And you journalists call what politics does, even news. Politicians are very efficient today, they are economists. DIE WELT: How about singing against it? Gallagher: Also boring. I have my opinions and opinions, believe me. But why should I mess up my music with it? Music is distraction. People like music because they want to dance. They do not want them to sing the news to you. You can not dance to news. What else should the Islamic State have to look for in one of my songs? How should that sound? Oh no, not with me. Let politics ruin society and Europe. I'm out of it. I'm not Radiohead. Bloody hell. DIE WELT: What should songs be about? Gallagher: On the beauty of women and the fun of drugs. Agreed? THE WORLD: That would make life possible. In one of your new songs you sing a litany or a mantra: "You gotta get yourself together". Who and what comes together and for what or against? Gallagher: You really want to know, eh? That's what I call journalism. What do you think? THE WORLD: A small uprising? Gallagher: If you like. Also nice. I'm open to everything. It's about going out, sure. However, it is not a specific outside. More like an outside. That would be psychology and not politics. By the way, in the fourth track of the album we hear a young Frenchwoman. She calls "Attention! Attention! ", She warns of closed borders and of carbon monoxide. But that's not me. That's the youth. I am 50. THE WORLD: Should young pop music be more political? Like John Lennon earlier and the punks in their time? Gallagher: I can not remember that, because I was too young. Let's talk about the eighties, that's when I grew up. Who sang about the Cold War and the Russians? Who on the recession in England? With only a single song comes in: "Ghost Town" of the specials. The rest was cheap pop music. As today. But apparently this is not just a journalist thing in England. I always say: come, play me something. You play "Ghost Town" of the specials. I say: Okay, something else. They play something of Billy Bragg. After that is always over. Two political pop songs in a decade. Wow. And the seventies? "Give Peace A Chance" by John Lennon? That's damn nonsense. "Everybody's talking about revolution, evolution, masturbation, flagellation, regulation, integration, meditation, United Nations, congratulations. "Huh? Bob Dylan hates his protest songs, he likes his pop music. I wonder why? DIE WELT: Can you sing songs about Brexit? Gallagher: Jesus! I'm sure someone will find it to try. What rhymes with Brexit? Dogshit? Oh yes, they will do it. They will write a song against what the people have chosen. How they sing in America against the president that America has chosen. It was not a military coup, it is not fascism. Donald Trump may be a joke, a maniac, but he was chosen. When I last looked up what democracy means, it was about this: everyone is free in his voice. Our grandparents fought for it. You do not have to agree with everything, but we do not live in North Korea. I certainly did not vote for Brexit. I'll live with it, but never sing about it. What are the rights actually called in Germany? THE WORLD: Alternative for Germany. Gallagher: Alternative? At any rate, they seem to have a sense of humor, these right-wing Germans. THE WORLD: Understand Brexiteers like Morrissey and his talk about "Englishness". Gallagher: I understand where he's from. That's why I come. But I do not have to think like him. Ray Davies has sung about the demise of Englishness with the Kinks in their sixties. So I do not have to feel responsible anymore. If we were to vote again on the Brexit, I would probably not vote more. In the meantime, the symbolism of such denominations is just as much on the bag as the confessions of some madmen who use van to board sidewalks to cleanse the world. Did I mention that my music is too fine for me? DIE WELT: Can we talk about 1997? Gallagher: Can we. What was there? THE WORLD: Britpop and Oasis. They were at the election party with Tony Blair when he became prime minister on Downing Street. Gallagher: And the question is? THE WORLD: Why? Gallagher: Difficult. THE WORLD: Was not boring? Gallagher: Not at that time. First, I was young. Second, I had something left for Tony Blair. Third, I was happy with his choice. Fourth, I was invited and would never have dared to ignore such an important date. Downing Street 10 is the UK's most famous address. Since you go as a small man, if asked, go. Why should I regret that? I can not even remember that. At that time I still liked coke and bubbly. DIE WELT: Do you still like the Labor Party? Gallagher: No, I hate her, damn it. I hate Jeremy Corbyn. I hate the whole political system, but we already had that. Twenty years ago, politics was a different one. The people were not that extreme yet, they were in the middle, a little to the left or a bit to the right. They chose one of the two major parties, no one was upset or yelling. There was one guy for conservatives and the other guy for people who also thought of the poorer ones. That was mine. I understood immediately what New Labor should mean. Corbyn is Old Labor. I live in the 21st century. I am me, an individual. I have never lived in a communist country, but I think I hate communism. DIE WELT: How is the working class? Gallagher: That's at the bottom. Under the old working class. We have a TV program called In-Work Poverty. It's about people who work seven days a week and are as poor as the sparrows. Something has happened since 1997. But what? Was I cleverer that I can sit in my castle today and watch it on TV? Incidentally, this does not exactly qualify me to vote on Brexit again. THE WORLD: Four months ago, you stood in the Olympic Stadium in Berlin on a much too big stage in front of the band U2. They were the pre-program. Gallagher: There was little Noel. In the rain. That's what I was there for: I sang what I had to sing. Bono preached. We like each other. The difference is that Bono shits on the world and always sees the good in everything. I do not shit on the world, I always see the bad, even in the good. Everything makes me angry. That's why I make music and take care of my family. THE WORLD: Music could change the world. Gallagher: If something has changed the world as long as I make music, then it was different. First the internet: we are all connected with each other, there will be no holocaust anymore. On the other side there is an abysmal darkness with Islamist videos. Good and evil are socially connected today. Second, "9/11" has changed the world. One day later, "9/12", the world was a different one. Our children do not care about the world before it. What can not be seen and heard on her phone has never happened. THE WORLD: Do you hate the music that your children hear? Gallagher: Of course, we're old men, it's our goddamn duty to despise our sons' hip-hop and the scrap our daughters love. But they will also appreciate David Bowie, the Stone Roses and the Beatles. THE WORLD: Oasis too? Gallagher: Also Oasis. A big band from Manchester. THE WORLD: Are we talking about it? Gallagher: Will we have to. OASIS! It's amazing what we did. Where I show up, strangers explain to me that Oasis must reunite, as if everything is fine again. I do not know why. I do not care, I do not even think Liam cares. He only makes himself important if he tells everyone that he would even do it for free. I would not do it for $ 200 million. THE WORLD: And for 300 million? Gallagher: For no money in the world. I just want to be happy and not have to see Liam's face anymore. I have not met him for two years. For two years I am completely happy. Every day without Oasis, without my brother, is a good day.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 22, 2017 18:49:40 GMT -5
Speaking as Labour voter if the Noel of today liked them I'd be worried.
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Post by Just Call Me The Roller on Nov 22, 2017 18:59:12 GMT -5
That is the dumbest comment Noel has made about Liam in this cycle (and there were a few stupid ones). Hell, Liam's the man who made headlines for making some tea FFS
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Post by lalaland on Nov 22, 2017 19:00:26 GMT -5
Speaking as Labour voter if the Noel of today liked them I'd be worried. Well, yes but the thing is ...If the Noel of today, i.e. 'people like him' liked Labour, Labour would be in power now, so.... what would you rather etc etc...
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 22, 2017 19:29:49 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me Noel has sort of become more moderate/out of touch with politics. He's a multi-millionaire and hangs out with really rich folks these days. I don't listen to Noel for political or social inspiration. I have Run the Jewels for that or something. It's disappointing, but I don't see why people should make a big fuss over it.
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Post by headshrinker84 on Nov 22, 2017 19:43:45 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me Noel has sort of become more moderate/out of touch with politics. He's a multi-millionaire and hangs out with really rich folks these days. I don't listen to Noel for political or social inspiration. I have Run the Jewels for that or something. It's disappointing, but I don't see why people should make a big fuss over it. God forbid he has different opinion.
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 22, 2017 19:45:13 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me Noel has sort of become more moderate/out of touch with politics. He's a multi-millionaire and hangs out with really rich folks these days. I don't listen to Noel for political or social inspiration. I have Run the Jewels for that or something. It's disappointing, but I don't see why people should make a big fuss over it. God forbid he has different opinion. He's entitled to his opinion, I just think that claiming Corbyn is a communist is a bit daft and silly.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 22, 2017 20:57:40 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me Noel has sort of become more moderate/out of touch with politics. He's a multi-millionaire and hangs out with really rich folks these days. I don't listen to Noel for political or social inspiration. I have Run the Jewels for that or something. It's disappointing, but I don't see why people should make a big fuss over it. If he's talking about it, then i'd expect him to have decent enough knowledge. If he doesnt, then he should shut the fuck up. You're absolutely right that he's massively out of touch with it all and its a complete embarrassment the way he talks about it all.
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Post by mape on Nov 23, 2017 0:15:10 GMT -5
Randomly bringing up communism and ISIS, getting annoyed by people that are upset over Brexit, getting annoyed by people that don't like Trump - easy to see where he stands even though he keeps pretending to not care about politics.
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 23, 2017 1:41:24 GMT -5
Randomly bringing up communism and ISIS, getting annoyed by people that are upset over Brexit, getting annoyed by people that don't like Trump - easy to see where he stands even though he keeps pretending to not care about politics. Yeah, certainly feels like he has been radicalized a bit to the right, but he has also said some things that indicate he just doesn't give a shit.
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Post by jxing on Nov 23, 2017 2:24:00 GMT -5
How they sing in America against the president that America has chosen. It was not a military coup, it is not fascism. Donald Trump may be a joke, a maniac, but he was chosen. When I last looked up what democracy means, it was about this: everyone is free in his voice. Our grandparents fought for it. You do not have to agree with everything, but we do not live in North Korea. I certainly did not vote for Brexit. I'll live with it, but never sing about it. What are the rights actually called in Germany?
- he does have a point. People voted and this result should be respected just like any past elections.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 23, 2017 4:51:47 GMT -5
God forbid he has different opinion. He's entitled to his opinion, I just think that claiming Corbyn is a communist is a bit daft and silly. I voted labour and I'm 22 so really that was Corbyn's target audience but... It is all a bit cultish. It's like the fucking Courteeners, but with politics. People who are massively for Corbyn feel the need to shove it down everyone's throats. That's what annoys me, even as a primarily labour voter. Because really, I only voted for Corbyn as I thought he'd be better than the shit show we have in now. I don't feel any affinity for the guy.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 23, 2017 4:53:03 GMT -5
How they sing in America against the president that America has chosen. It was not a military coup, it is not fascism. Donald Trump may be a joke, a maniac, but he was chosen. When I last looked up what democracy means, it was about this: everyone is free in his voice. Our grandparents fought for it. You do not have to agree with everything, but we do not live in North Korea. I certainly did not vote for Brexit. I'll live with it, but never sing about it. What are the rights actually called in Germany? - he does have a point. People voted and this result should be respected just like any past elections. It's a valid point. Democracy - this is what it is. Like it or not. And yeh, I'm glad his new album isn't political, just as Liam's isn't.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 23, 2017 4:54:41 GMT -5
Randomly bringing up communism and ISIS, getting annoyed by people that are upset over Brexit, getting annoyed by people that don't like Trump - easy to see where he stands even though he keeps pretending to not care about politics. He didn't say that. He just said the government need to get on with it. I've never ever known so many people convinced they can change the result of a democratic vote because they don't agree with it. It's ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous - and I voted remain!
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Post by bt95 on Nov 23, 2017 4:58:36 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me Noel has sort of become more moderate/out of touch with politics. He's a multi-millionaire and hangs out with really rich folks these days. I don't listen to Noel for political or social inspiration. I have Run the Jewels for that or something. It's disappointing, but I don't see why people should make a big fuss over it. If he's talking about it, then i'd expect him to have decent enough knowledge. If he doesnt, then he should shut the fuck up. You're absolutely right that he's massively out of touch with it all and its a complete embarrassment the way he talks about it all. He isn't out of touch though? What's out of touch about saying a democratic vote - whatever the result - should be respected? What's out of touch by saying him writing his own version of 'give peace a chance' is not going to stop Islamic State executing journalists and teachers or a radicalised British person trying to blow up another arena full of women and children? What's out of touch in saying politics is fucking boring at the minute with people so far each way on the spectrum that they all seem to just merge in to one big heaping pile of shite anyway? That's not out of touch ffs. I'd suggest the people who are more out of touch are the ones convinced we live in an idealistic society...
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 23, 2017 4:59:49 GMT -5
He's entitled to his opinion, I just think that claiming Corbyn is a communist is a bit daft and silly. I voted labour and I'm 22 so really that was Corbyn's target audience but... It is all a bit cultish. It's like the fucking Courteeners, but with politics. People who are massively for Corbyn feel the need to shove it down everyone's throats. That's what annoys me, even as a primarily labour voter. Because really, I only voted for Corbyn as I thought he'd be better than the shit show we have in now. I don't feel any affinity for the guy. Give it rest mate, there is nothing cultish about wanting a government committed to a fairer society and posting your displeasure when Noel effectively says he'd hate that.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 23, 2017 5:05:06 GMT -5
If he's talking about it, then i'd expect him to have decent enough knowledge. If he doesnt, then he should shut the fuck up. You're absolutely right that he's massively out of touch with it all and its a complete embarrassment the way he talks about it all. He isn't out of touch though? What's out of touch about saying a democratic vote - whatever the result - should be respected? What's out of touch by saying him writing his own version of 'give peace a chance' is not going to stop Islamic State executing journalists and teachers or a radicalised British person trying to blow up another arena full of women and children? What's out of touch in saying politics is fucking boring at the minute with people so far each way on the spectrum that they all seem to just merge in to one big heaping pile of shite anyway? That's not out of touch ffs. I'd suggest the people who are more out of touch are the ones convinced we live in an idealistic society... Rebalancing the economy to make things fairer isn't idealistic. But that would hurt Noel and his mates so itsno surprise.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 23, 2017 5:06:47 GMT -5
I voted labour and I'm 22 so really that was Corbyn's target audience but... It is all a bit cultish. It's like the fucking Courteeners, but with politics. People who are massively for Corbyn feel the need to shove it down everyone's throats. That's what annoys me, even as a primarily labour voter. Because really, I only voted for Corbyn as I thought he'd be better than the shit show we have in now. I don't feel any affinity for the guy. Give it rest mate, there is nothing cultish about wanting a government committed to a fairer society and posting your displeasure when Noel effectively says he'd hate that. What are you on about? This is exactly what I mean... I voted for labour. I'm a labour voter and in the main I was behind Corbyn's manifesto. But, just be objective ffs. It was a very idealistic manifesto and whatever people try and say, not all of the numbers added up. Now, I like Corbyn. As a person he seems decent enough to an extent even if I do feel his politics are at times too close to socialism for my liking. But you just then proved my point. How dare I question Jeremy Corbyn!? As soon as you saw that bit did the red mist descend? If you looked at what I said, I in no way said that I didn't want a fairer society - and neither did Noel either. The fact is, we don't live in that world. We can all pull in that direction but ultimately socialism doesn't work either. A balance is always needed.
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Post by bt95 on Nov 23, 2017 5:08:37 GMT -5
He isn't out of touch though? What's out of touch about saying a democratic vote - whatever the result - should be respected? What's out of touch by saying him writing his own version of 'give peace a chance' is not going to stop Islamic State executing journalists and teachers or a radicalised British person trying to blow up another arena full of women and children? What's out of touch in saying politics is fucking boring at the minute with people so far each way on the spectrum that they all seem to just merge in to one big heaping pile of shite anyway? That's not out of touch ffs. I'd suggest the people who are more out of touch are the ones convinced we live in an idealistic society... Rebalancing the economy to make things fairer isn't idealistic. But that would hurt Noel and his mates so itsno surprise. But then it goes too far and you get a state that is funding everybody and anybody... And again, Noel hasn't said that he doesn't want a fairer state. He just said he doesn't like Corbyn. A lot of people don't. And once more, your response doesn't actually reply to any of the points I said above.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 23, 2017 5:12:07 GMT -5
Give it rest mate, there is nothing cultish about wanting a government committed to a fairer society and posting your displeasure when Noel effectively says he'd hate that. What are you on about? This is exactly what I mean... I voted for labour. I'm a labour voter and in the main I was behind Corbyn's manifesto. But, just be objective ffs. It was a very idealistic manifesto and whatever people try and say, not all of the numbers added up. Now, I like Corbyn. As a person he seems decent enough to an extent even if I do feel his politics are at times too close to socialism for my liking. But you just then proved my point. How dare I question Jeremy Corbyn!? As soon as you saw that bit did the red mist descend? If you looked at what I said, I in no way said that I didn't want a fairer society - and neither did Noel either. The fact is, we don't live in that world. We can all pull in that direction but ultimately socialism doesn't work either. A balance is always needed. I didn't mention Corbyn. Have another look.
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