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Post by janedoe on Sept 20, 2019 5:00:24 GMT -5
When I grow up I want to spend my time trolling Internet message boards on album release dayor shorten to TIMBOARD
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 20, 2019 5:04:05 GMT -5
Liam is actually one of the biggest sellouts in industry and nobody even talks about it because somehow he managed to convince us that he is last rock and roll star through his interviews, walk, swagger, clothes (which are getting worse and worse btw). Imagine if Liam dissapered or something, WMWN sounds like soundtrack of some movie that Disney made about Liam and what they think how will his new album sound if he was still with us. They would hire 5 songwriters, give them Best Of the Beatles, Stone Roses first album and few Oasis albums and tell them to write something like that. Similar situation was with AYW but that album at least had some soul, probably because enthusiasm was bigger and there was more songs written by Liam. He feels a bit like a caricature of himself. He doesn't wear parkas anymore because he wears them - he wears them because it is his trademark. He's turned into something like the new trilogy of Star Wars. Tatooine-planet CHECK. Darth Vader-type villain CHECK. Etc. He didn't wear parkas all day every day in the years of Oasis... You’ve got a photo of a man in your avatar who’s been rotating the same 5 shirts for the last decade. Well done on comparing Liam to Neil Young, they do have very similar careers up to this point. 😂
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Post by vespa on Sept 20, 2019 5:06:33 GMT -5
Is there a chart thread for this
And totally get the point with the parkas thing but the record label seem to have built his image around his stereotypical oasis image and it’s worked a treat
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 20, 2019 5:08:14 GMT -5
Is there a chart thread for this And totally get the point with the parkas thing but the record label seem to have built his image around his stereotypical oasis image and it’s worked a treat Liam’s built Liam’s image, since 1994.
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Post by emil on Sept 20, 2019 5:08:30 GMT -5
He feels a bit like a caricature of himself. He doesn't wear parkas anymore because he wears them - he wears them because it is his trademark. He's turned into something like the new trilogy of Star Wars. Tatooine-planet CHECK. Darth Vader-type villain CHECK. Etc. He didn't wear parkas all day every day in the years of Oasis... You’ve got a photo of a man in your avatar who’s been rotating the same 5 shirts for the last decade. Well done on comparing Liam to Neil Young, they do have very similar careers up to this point. 😂 What has EV rotating "the same 5 shirts for the last decade" to do with anything? What is your point? You don't seem to get the point of my comparison between Liam and NY. What has their "similar careers up to this point" to do with anything?
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 20, 2019 5:12:15 GMT -5
To me, Oasis was Noel's songwriting, Liam's voice and soul.
Instead of going song by song, I will do this:
DM:
Noel's sonwriting 10/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=10/10 album
WTSMG:
Noel's sonwriting 10/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=10/10 album
BHN:
Noel's sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=8.5/10 album
SOTSOG:
Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 9/10, soul 6/10=7/10 album
HC:
Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 6/10, soul 5/10=5/10 album
DBTT:
Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album
DOYS:
Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album
DGSS:
Fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 6/10, soul 8/10=6/10 album
NGHFB:
Noel's sonwriting 8/10, fake Liam voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7.5/10 album
BE:
Fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 5/10, soul 5/10=5/10 album
CY:
Noel's sonwriting 7/10, fake Liam voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album
AYW:
Fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 8/10, soul 8/10=7.5/10 album
WBTM:
Noel's sonwriting 5/10, fake Liam without teeth voice 3/10, soul 3/10=3.5/10 album
WMWN:
Fake Noels sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 8/10, soul 5/10=6/10 album
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 20, 2019 5:16:16 GMT -5
You’ve got a photo of a man in your avatar who’s been rotating the same 5 shirts for the last decade. Well done on comparing Liam to Neil Young, they do have very similar careers up to this point. 😂 What has EV rotating "the same 5 shirts for the last decade" to do with anything? What is your point? You don't seem to get the point of my comparison between Liam and NY. What has their "similar careers up to this point" to do with anything? You think that Liam’s choice of clothing is somehow connected to him being a caricature. Rather than just wearing the clothes he wants. Is EV a lumberjack is his spare time? You made one example and basically said if he can do it why can’t Liam. The briefest of looks at their respective careers tells you all you need to know. There influences are different, Neil is one of the great songwriters, Liam isn’t, Neil was probably in a different place aged 45 than Liam is at 47. They are both making the music they want to make, which is you know different. You can’t impose your own wishes on the music Liam should make. If you don’t like it fine, but maybe just maybe he’s making the sort of music he wants too.
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 20, 2019 5:17:30 GMT -5
So Liam is a sellout and a caricature of himself because he wears parkas more than he used to? And I really don't get this: "They would hire 5 songwriters, give them Best Of the Beatles, Stone Roses first album and few Oasis albums and tell them to write something like that" The only differences with Oasis were: 1) Instead of 5 (or however many songwriters) it was one 2) That one writer was giving the best of The Beatles, Stone Roses, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, Tho Who. Really just any classic British rock and roll. I mean really, if anyone is expecting anything more from Liam than music that sounds (mostly) like his heroes then it's clear where the issue lies. As a solo artist, he's been very transparent. He's admitted he's not the greatest write and he just wants to sing good songs. If he feels the songs are good enough to sing, and if for the most part, people are enjoying what he's doing, where's the problem? What's going on here is going way beyond people just giving their opinion. If you don't like the music, then that is totally and completely okay; it's even good for the health of a forum. It's what drives healthy and engaging discussions. But a select few seem to be coming on her just to bash for bashing sake. And no, I'm not getting defensive over people not liking WMWN. For What It's Worth, I like it a lot. It's fine for people to dislike it and I've sent plenty of people on here doing so but in a far more constructive manner that isn't just complete bile. I didn't even say that I don't like his new music. I write about what bothers me. Just like someone else can write about guitar solo that they don't like, production, voice, songwriting... I write about lack of soul and manufactured songwriting because those are the things that I don't like the most if we speak about WMWN.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 20, 2019 5:17:54 GMT -5
To me, Oasis was Noel's songwriting, Liam's voice and soul. Instead of going song by song, I will do this: DM: Noel's sonwriting 10/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=10/10 album WTSMG: Noel's sonwriting 10/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=10/10 album BHN: Noel's sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=8.5/10 album SOTSOG: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 9/10, soul 6/10=7/10 album HC: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 6/10, soul 5/10=5/10 album DBTT: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album DOYS: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album DGSS: Fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 6/10, soul 8/10=6/10 album NGHFB: Noel's sonwriting 8/10, fake Liam voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7.5/10 album BE: Fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 5/10, soul 5/10=5/10 album CY:Noel's sonwriting 7/10, fake Liam voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album AYW: Fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 8/10, soul 8/10=7.5/10 album WBTM: Noel's sonwriting 5/10, fake Liam without teeth voice 3/10, soul 3/10=3.5/10 album WMWN: Fake Noels sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 8/10, soul 5/10=6/10 album Fake Noels Songwriting 😂
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Sept 20, 2019 5:20:27 GMT -5
Liam is actually one of the biggest sellouts in industry and nobody even talks about it because somehow he managed to convince us that he is last rock and roll star through his interviews, walk, swagger, clothes (which are getting worse and worse btw). I wouldn't call Liam a sellout, but there is something to be said about the difference in how he acts and how his music actually sounds. He's been cleverly built up as one of the last real rock n roll stars, an icon from the glory days still going strong in a world of plastic throwaway pop music. But in the end his solo stuff is a clear step towards mainstream, radio friendly music, especially compared to a) Dig Out Your Soul and b) what Noel has been doing. I don't think Noel has the better tunes by default, or that a change in style is automatically a good thing, but the artistic value of NGHFB is much higher than that of Liam's solo career, for me at least. My first impression of WMWN is a lot like AYW - it's a professionally written, well produced pop album sung by a phenomenal singer, with some standout tracks and some filler. It's entertaining, I'm buying it, I'll listen to it and be happy, but it doesn't quite spark the excitement the way Noel's albums, when at their best, do.
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Post by janedoe on Sept 20, 2019 5:23:08 GMT -5
To me, Oasis was Noel's songwriting, Liam's voice and soul. Instead of going song by song, I will do this: DM: Noel's sonwriting 10/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=10/10 album WTSMG: Noel's sonwriting 10/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=10/10 album BHN: Noel's sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=8.5/10 album SOTSOG: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 9/10, soul 6/10=7/10 album HC: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 6/10, soul 5/10=5/10 album DBTT: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album DOYS: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album DGSS: Fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 6/10, soul 8/10=6/10 album NGHFB: Noel's sonwriting 8/10, fake Liam voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7.5/10 album BE: Fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 5/10, soul 5/10=5/10 album CY:Noel's sonwriting 7/10, fake Liam voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album AYW: Fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 8/10, soul 8/10=7.5/10 album WBTM: Noel's sonwriting 5/10, fake Liam without teeth voice 3/10, soul 3/10=3.5/10 album WMWN: Fake Noels sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 8/10, soul 5/10=6/10 album Fake Noels Songwriting 😂 Fake Liam without teeth. ooooooh 😂 Not a bad method for comparing all albums pre and post split
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Post by vespa on Sept 20, 2019 5:26:08 GMT -5
Missed my point , Liam created his image yes all I was saying was that the record label have capitalised on this and built his image and advertising around This ,Liam’s image will always be his but late in oasis days he got away from his 90s ways abit Is there a chart thread for this And totally get the point with the parkas thing but the record label seem to have built his image around his stereotypical oasis image and it’s worked a treat Liam’s built Liam’s image, since 1994.
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Post by Lundblad on Sept 20, 2019 5:26:10 GMT -5
My internet shop failed to deliver the CD on the release date... Since no store in my town sells records anymore I might go to another town to get the record on vinyl (they don't have the CD version).
What I am wondering is whether there is any point getting a new record on vinyl? I only have old second hand vinyls from the 60s, 70s and 80s. I've heard that the sound quality is often bad since it is just converted from a digital version.
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Post by oneofus on Sept 20, 2019 5:27:44 GMT -5
Today is the day Noel will release some lyrics on his twitter from his first or second solo albums like he randomly does everytime LG releases something lol.
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Post by yogurt on Sept 20, 2019 5:30:44 GMT -5
Have you ever considered stopping listening to music? cause you clearly don't like it very much... Sorry, is just how I see it!! i can sense a butthurt little fanboi. I thought his review was pretty realistic A lot of songs that are 5/6/7 or whatever It’s hard to say any of these kind of songs are 9’s and 10’s. Those kind of ratings are reserved for songs like A Day In The Life or something. It’s just an album full of decent enough tunes. Nothing outstanding. People think 6 or 7 out of 10 is a low score but really it’s not when you’re being realistic about what 9 out of 10 should be.
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Sept 20, 2019 5:30:47 GMT -5
Liam is moving into Rod Stewart / Robbie Williams territory. He is making pop with rock appearance. Good on him. This is probably the best scenario for him at this point. None of the songs sound much like were written by him. Maybe some sketches here and there. Not bad. Short songs. Easy listening overall.
Shockwave- 4. Tired of those "glam" stompers from Liam and Noel. They became old when Lord don't stop me down was released. One of us- 7,5. Beatiful song. Nice coda. Once- 5. Tired of Oasis like anthems. He does a great job with it live so it will work. Now that I found you- 7. Sounds like Ryan Adams when critics thought he could be the next big thing in rock. Good happy song. Halo- 5,5. Another dry acoustic rocky song like Meaning of soul, Bring the light or Shine a light. Listened 1000 times. Why me why not- 7. Shit production here. Great vocals by Liam are buried by unnecessary trumpets or something. Not needed. Be still- 5. Pop version of Downbound train by Springsteen. Alright now- 6. Travelling willburys. Always a good source for good light pop sounds. Meadow- 3. It is not needed to make Lennonny songs anymore. He died 40 years ago. He was unique. The river- 6. Not much melody here but good stomper, good swagger, good live. A 25 seconds long come on from Liam is always needed. Gone- 6,5. Western guitar. Reminds me of an older Fade in out/Be where there is life. Cool strings near the end.
*****
Invisible sun- 4. The Stone Roses are not capable of recovering old glories. Wyatt won't do it either. Misunderstood- 5,5. Sounds like a Bell/Archer b side from the Beady eye era. Bell will ring and Millionaire mixed. Verses are terrible. Rest good. Too long. Glimmer- 6,5. Light. Reminds me of The Coral. Earns points for being happy.
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Post by pappas on Sept 20, 2019 5:31:15 GMT -5
co-writer of "Glimmer" is Constantin Veis..... check his album Constantin Veis presents "The Glamorous Life Savers - Resurrected Elsewhere" on Jigsaw Records on Bandcamp:
jigsawrecords.bandcamp.com/album/pzl054-constantin-veis-presents-the-glamorous-life-savers-resurrected-elsewhere
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Post by emil on Sept 20, 2019 5:31:27 GMT -5
What has EV rotating "the same 5 shirts for the last decade" to do with anything? What is your point? You don't seem to get the point of my comparison between Liam and NY. What has their "similar careers up to this point" to do with anything? You think that Liam’s choice of clothing is somehow connected to him being a caricature. Rather than just wearing the clothes he wants. Is EV a lumberjack is his spare time? You made one example and basically said if he can do it why can’t Liam. The briefest of looks at their respective careers tells you all you need to know. There influences are different, Neil is one of the great songwriters, Liam isn’t, Neil was probably in a different place aged 45 than Liam is at 47. They are both making the music they want to make, which is you know different. You can’t impose your own wishes on the music Liam should make. If you don’t like it fine, but maybe just maybe he’s making the sort of music he wants too. Never seen Eddie going all in on wearing "lumberjack" clothes. He does some axe throwing though, close enough? What has being a great song writer or not, having to do with an album sounding garagey/raw -- even when being as ancient as 45-47 years old? I have not compared their careers or ability as song writers. I responded to people saying a 47 year old man doing a raw/garage rock sounding album is impossible/our of this world/crazy/unthinkable. And I have never said Liam shouldn't do what he wants. I have just stated what I wish the album would have had a different vibe. I believe as "a fan" I can prefer a different sound and aesthetic than what is. Or who knows. Maybe you need to fall strictly in line and start saying "mega" and call yourself a parkamonkey?
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Post by GlastoEls on Sept 20, 2019 5:32:04 GMT -5
Just met the lad at HMV White City!
Quick chat, handshake, signed CD, and he told me he liked my As You Were Christmas jumper .. said “I haven’t seen one of those, they’re alright aren’t they?”, then laughed when I said “maybe Liam but too bloody hot for this kind of thing!”
Magic.
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Post by emil on Sept 20, 2019 5:32:58 GMT -5
My internet shop failed to deliver the CD on the release date... Since no store in my town sells records anymore I might go to another town to get the record on vinyl (they don't have the CD version). What I am wondering is whether there is any point getting a new record on vinyl? I only have old second hand vinyls from the 60s, 70s and 80s. I've heard that the sound quality is often bad since it is just converted from a digital version. What's the point in getting one on CD... should be the question. Just get it on vinyl if you want it in a physical format.
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Post by mimmihopps on Sept 20, 2019 5:33:33 GMT -5
My listening party starts.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Sept 20, 2019 5:33:48 GMT -5
To me, Oasis was Noel's songwriting, Liam's voice and soul. Instead of going song by song, I will do this: DM: Noel's sonwriting 10/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=10/10 album WTSMG: Noel's sonwriting 10/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=10/10 album BHN: Noel's sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 10/10, soul 10/10=8.5/10 album SOTSOG: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 9/10, soul 6/10=7/10 album HC: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 6/10, soul 5/10=5/10 album DBTT: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album DOYS: Noel's and fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album DGSS: Fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 6/10, soul 8/10=6/10 album NGHFB: Noel's sonwriting 8/10, fake Liam voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7.5/10 album BE: Fake Noels sonwriting 4/10, Liam's voice 5/10, soul 5/10=5/10 album CY:Noel's sonwriting 7/10, fake Liam voice 7/10, soul 7/10=7/10 album AYW: Fake Noels sonwriting 7/10, Liam's voice 8/10, soul 8/10=7.5/10 album WBTM: Noel's sonwriting 5/10, fake Liam without teeth voice 3/10, soul 3/10=3.5/10 album WMWN: Fake Noels sonwriting 6/10, Liam's voice 8/10, soul 5/10=6/10 album Don't agree with the scores, but love the methodology xD
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Post by Lundblad on Sept 20, 2019 5:37:03 GMT -5
My internet shop failed to deliver the CD on the release date... Since no store in my town sells records anymore I might go to another town to get the record on vinyl (they don't have the CD version). What I am wondering is whether there is any point getting a new record on vinyl? I only have old second hand vinyls from the 60s, 70s and 80s. I've heard that the sound quality is often bad since it is just converted from a digital version. What's the point in getting one on CD... should be the question. Just get it on vinyl if you want it in a physical format. That is why I am asking about the quality of modern vinyls The CD is a must-buy anyway because of the deluxe edition tracks and the possibility to use in car!
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Sept 20, 2019 5:39:01 GMT -5
I actually don't mind the "disneyish" vibe to that record. He's at Warner, he has proffesional songwriters. The record is cheesy, commercial, but in a way it's honest, it's not trying to be anything else than an answer to 16 year olds that has just discovered their John Lennon.
And yes, Liam with his parkas and his walk is a product of pop culture, in fact he has always been. I'm fine with it, it's part of his career, he seems to be enjoying it, the album is fun to listen. And if you miss punk rock and soul and real, you can always play this :
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Post by emil on Sept 20, 2019 5:39:43 GMT -5
What's the point in getting one on CD... should be the question. Just get it on vinyl if you want it in a physical format. That is why I am asking about the quality of modern vinyls The CD is a must-buy anyway because of the deluxe edition tracks and the possibility to use in car! Don't know about Liam. But the care and quality of the vinyl differs from artist to artist, album to album. I would think the quality should be better now than in the mid 00s with vinyl being an actual format again nowadays (more so than CD). But don't know how Liams team cares about mastering for vinyl. Bet someone on here does though
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