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Post by modxxii on Sept 20, 2019 4:17:47 GMT -5
This album is so similar to WBTM: colorful, joyous and full of melodies.
After 3 listening... adore it.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 20, 2019 4:18:05 GMT -5
Don't understand why he goes so "soft" and poppy while talking about him being so rock n roll. Give me some more of that Shockwave-vibe but even grittier and more attitude and garage rock. With Noel filling up the space of "harmless rock/pop for the middle aged couple while them making supper" there is a void to be filled with a rawer, more Definitely Maybe sound. This sounds very record company-made. A bit lame and strive to be nice and radio friendly. You want a 47 year old man to recapture the spirit of Definitely Maybe? Yeah right, that would be faker than you consider him to be already. |
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Post by modxxii on Sept 20, 2019 4:19:52 GMT -5
Happy Liam = Happy Album = Happy me FANTASTIC ALBUM I've been very criticial of the singles (2/4 anyway). Shockwave and Once are still poor songs compared to what they try to be imo. And it's definitely not a perfect album. But there's 4-5 real gems on there and that's good enough for me. Like you said - Liam's happy. And the best songs on it reflect that. I'm sorry: to me Once is their (Liam and Noel) best song after the split. ^^ Shockwave is a good opening track but maybe the weakest one on the album. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Sept 20, 2019 4:20:55 GMT -5
Don't understand why he goes so "soft" and poppy while talking about him being so rock n roll. Give me some more of that Shockwave-vibe but even grittier and more attitude and garage rock. With Noel filling up the space of "harmless rock/pop for the middle aged couple while them making supper" there is a void to be filled with a rawer, more Definitely Maybe sound. This sounds very record company-made. A bit lame and strive to be nice and radio friendly. I totally agree with this. It must be the record label setting up some rules for how they want the album as it's very Sainsbury's friendly hence all the Take That and Bryan Adams similarities. The only song with balls on the album is Invisible Sun. Luckily the beauty of choice is you don't have to listen to it. Although I'm sure your comments on it will far outstrip your listens. |
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Post by chamu on Sept 20, 2019 4:22:26 GMT -5
Signing in a few minutes in one HMV store in London
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Post by bt95 on Sept 20, 2019 4:23:48 GMT -5
He's 46. He's a multi-millionaire and his career/family life is in a great place. What's he not to be happy about? Shockwave is the most manufactured, 'pop' song on the ablum because it's completely fake. The highlights - NTIFY, Halo etc - are the ones that reflect where Liam's at right now. And Liam's in a great place. You want anger and aggression? Go and listen to grime, or that Slowthai fella or Idles (which for me is just a load of shouting but each to their own). Liam's got fuck all to say, let's be honest. So I'd rather see him push his boundaries a bit and do uplifting songs (and the songs off DM were uplifting and had the aggression/passion of youth at the same time which is what made them incredible and stand the test of time), than pretending to be fucking angry about something (usually a break up which happened 10 years ago). I never said he had to be angry? No, you didn't. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. But I interpreted your post - maybe wrongly? - as that you wanted more of the aggressive songs such as Shockwave (but with more grit). I just don't think Liam's in that place because I think those types of songs require a base level of aggression/passion. While I don't doubt Liam puts his all into what he does, I don't want that passion to come from a manufactured place. In the case of Shockwave, I think it does, so I'd much rather the likes of Halo/NTIFY which IMO take just as much passion/balls to do right, it's just a different kind. |
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Post by bt95 on Sept 20, 2019 4:24:41 GMT -5
I've been very criticial of the singles (2/4 anyway). Shockwave and Once are still poor songs compared to what they try to be imo. And it's definitely not a perfect album. But there's 4-5 real gems on there and that's good enough for me. Like you said - Liam's happy. And the best songs on it reflect that. I'm sorry: to me Once is their (Liam and Noel) best song after the split. ^^ Shockwave is a good opening track but maybe the weakest one on the album. yeh, I get a lot of people love Once I just don't get it. But it's all opinions. |
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Post by emil on Sept 20, 2019 4:25:51 GMT -5
Don't understand why he goes so "soft" and poppy while talking about him being so rock n roll. Give me some more of that Shockwave-vibe but even grittier and more attitude and garage rock. With Noel filling up the space of "harmless rock/pop for the middle aged couple while them making supper" there is a void to be filled with a rawer, more Definitely Maybe sound. This sounds very record company-made. A bit lame and strive to be nice and radio friendly. You want a 47 year old man to recapture the spirit of Definitely Maybe? Yeah right, that would be faker than you consider him to be already. Haven't said anything about any "spirit"? Sounds like some people on here are a bit defensive. With some deterministic view of "what is, is all that has to be" and all other things would be wrong because of the reason that it has to be like it is. But I guess that's part of being a fan for some. So okey. Neil Young released Ragged Glory when he was 45 by the way. Had some garage rock sounding songs on there. Haven't heard anyone ever call that album "fake".... hmm.... weird... |
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Post by rickypaglais on Sept 20, 2019 4:26:38 GMT -5
When I grow up I want to spend my time trolling Internet message boards on album release day
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Post by bt95 on Sept 20, 2019 4:28:11 GMT -5
Don't understand why he goes so "soft" and poppy while talking about him being so rock n roll. Give me some more of that Shockwave-vibe but even grittier and more attitude and garage rock. With Noel filling up the space of "harmless rock/pop for the middle aged couple while them making supper" there is a void to be filled with a rawer, more Definitely Maybe sound. This sounds very record company-made. A bit lame and strive to be nice and radio friendly. You want a 47 year old man to recapture the spirit of Definitely Maybe? Yeah right, that would be faker than you consider him to be already. Yeh this is the point. The weakest songs are the ones that seem - to me at least - to be putting forward what people think would be 'typical' of Liam. The best are ones that, while still being very Liam, actually stray away from the perceived perception slightly. It's why I'm not a fan of Once, as I've said before, to me it's like an 'Oasis for dummies' gone wrong (though I do get people love it). But One Of Us, NTIFY, Halo, Why Me Why Not are great tunes. And Gone isn't far behind. The rest are fine (bonus tracks very good) and I'm happy enough with that. I said ages ago all I wanted to hear was some progression and I've got that. There should be something for everyone on the album. liam isn't incorrect when he says it is very clean etc, but at the same time if it's going to be clean and polished, then it might as well be on songs that suit that, rather than a load of stompers with faux anger like Shockwave. |
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Post by bt95 on Sept 20, 2019 4:29:15 GMT -5
You want a 47 year old man to recapture the spirit of Definitely Maybe? Yeah right, that would be faker than you consider him to be already. Haven't said anything about any "spirit"? Sounds like some people on here are a bit defensive. With some deterministic view of "what is, is all that has to be" and all other things would be wrong because of the reason that it has to be like it is. But I guess that's part of being a fan for some. So okey. Neil Young released Ragged Glory when he was 45 by the way. Had some garage rock sounding songs on there. Haven't heard anyone ever call that album "fake".... hmm.... weird... I'm no Liam superfan btw, I have been fairly critical of this cycle in the last few months. Honestly, I don't think we can compare Liam - or any of the writers who work with him - to Neil Young, though  |
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Post by bt95 on Sept 20, 2019 4:30:09 GMT -5
When I grow up I want to spend my time trolling Internet message boards on album release day You already do... just with EPs  |
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Post by modxxii on Sept 20, 2019 4:30:16 GMT -5
Neil Young released Ragged Glory when he was 45 by the way. Had some garage rock sounding songs on there. Haven't heard anyone ever call that album "fake".... hmm.... weird... Neil Young is NOT a pop/rock singer. He has never sung Stand By Me, Don't Go Away, Songbird, She's Love, The Masterplan... etc. etc. |
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Post by emil on Sept 20, 2019 4:31:54 GMT -5
I never said he had to be angry? No, you didn't. I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. But I interpreted your post - maybe wrongly? - as that you wanted more of the aggressive songs such as Shockwave (but with more grit). I just don't think Liam's in that place because I think those types of songs require a base level of aggression/passion. While I don't doubt Liam puts his all into what he does, I don't want that passion to come from a manufactured place. In the case of Shockwave, I think it does, so I'd much rather the likes of Halo/NTIFY which IMO take just as much passion/balls to do right, it's just a different kind. And that's okey. I just would have preferred Liam going with a more garage rocky/gritty/rawer/more rock sound than a half a dozen delicate acoustic numbers. I can get sappy from other places. Personal preference. Take Meaning of Soul as an example. I don't consider that one "angry". Would love more of that. A bit more, yeah whatever I have already described. And I don't think that would be fake, or out of the realm of a 47 year old. I guess he doesn't want to do that - which is his choice ofc. But would have preferred if he, as a 47 old man, would have wanted to rock out on an album. Not saying he can't Pearl Jam a Sirens on there. But also don't mind some Mind your Manners and Getaways. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 20, 2019 4:32:05 GMT -5
Liam is actually one of the biggest sellouts in industry and nobody even talks about it because somehow he managed to convince us that he is last rock and roll star through his interviews, walk, swagger, clothes (which are getting worse and worse btw).
Imagine if Liam dissapered or something, WMWN sounds like soundtrack of some movie that Disney made about Liam and what they think how will his new album sound if he was still with us. They would hire 5 songwriters, give them Best Of the Beatles, Stone Roses first album and few Oasis albums and tell them to write something like that.
Similar situation was with AYW but that album at least had some soul, probably because enthusiasm was bigger and there was more songs written by Liam.
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Post by bt95 on Sept 20, 2019 4:35:12 GMT -5
Overall, it'll probably go down as a solid album.
Some will love it, some will hate it.
Personally I'm happy that there's imo 4-5 real gems on there. I can live with that.
Noel's new EP to come in a week and then later in the year his final one too.
It's a great time to be a fan.
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Post by emil on Sept 20, 2019 4:39:13 GMT -5
Neil Young released Ragged Glory when he was 45 by the way. Had some garage rock sounding songs on there. Haven't heard anyone ever call that album "fake".... hmm.... weird... Neil Young is NOT a pop/rock singer. He has never sung Stand By Me, Don't Go Away, Songbird, She's Love, The Masterplan... etc. etc. Your point is moot to the discussion. But other than the big rock "anthems" wich Neil Young has stayed clear of - ofc you can find songs in the same realm of Oasis songs in his catalogue of songs. With Noel stealing pretty much all his lyrics and music from other artists that is pretty obvious. Come on now. Haha. Noel could have ripped Winterlong or Everybody knows this is nowhere straight off and people on here would have hailed it as some of the best Oasis songs. Slow down Songbird a bit and it could have been on Harvest Moon or Silver & Gold. Etc. But moot point anyways. |
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Post by emil on Sept 20, 2019 4:40:02 GMT -5
Neil Young is NOT a pop/rock singer. He has never sung Stand By Me, Don't Go Away, Songbird, She's Love, The Masterplan... etc. etc. Your point is moot to the discussion. But other than the big rock "anthems" wich Neil Young has stayed clear of (sort of) - ofc you can find songs in the same realm of Oasis songs in his catalogue of songs. With Noel stealing pretty much all his lyrics and music from other artists that is pretty obvious. Come on now. Haha. Noel could have ripped Winterlong, Fuckin' Up or Everybody knows this is nowhere straight off and people on here would have hailed it as some of the best Oasis songs. Slow down Songbird a bit and it could have been on Harvest Moon or Silver & Gold. Etc. But moot point anyways. |
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Post by rickypaglais on Sept 20, 2019 4:40:17 GMT -5
When I grow up I want to spend my time trolling Internet message boards on album release day You already do... just with EPs Not on release day, man |
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Post by rickypaglais on Sept 20, 2019 4:44:36 GMT -5
Liam is actually one of the biggest sellouts in industry and nobody even talks about it because somehow he managed to convince us that he is last rock and roll star through his interviews, walk, swagger, clothes (which are getting worse and worse btw). Imagine if Liam dissapered or something, WMWN sounds like soundtrack of some movie that Disney made about Liam and what they think how will his new album sound if he was still with us. They would hire 5 songwriters, give them Best Of the Beatles, Stone Roses first album and few Oasis albums and tell them to write something like that. Similar situation was with AYW but that album at least had some soul, probably because enthusiasm was bigger and there was more songs written by Liam. An issue with how he walks. New one to me, well done |
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Post by emil on Sept 20, 2019 4:45:18 GMT -5
Liam is actually one of the biggest sellouts in industry and nobody even talks about it because somehow he managed to convince us that he is last rock and roll star through his interviews, walk, swagger, clothes (which are getting worse and worse btw). Imagine if Liam dissapered or something, WMWN sounds like soundtrack of some movie that Disney made about Liam and what they think how will his new album sound if he was still with us. They would hire 5 songwriters, give them Best Of the Beatles, Stone Roses first album and few Oasis albums and tell them to write something like that. Similar situation was with AYW but that album at least had some soul, probably because enthusiasm was bigger and there was more songs written by Liam. He feels a bit like a caricature of himself. He doesn't wear parkas anymore because he wears them - he wears them because it is his trademark. He's turned into something like the new trilogy of Star Wars. Tatooine-planet CHECK. Darth Vader-type villain CHECK. Etc. He didn't wear parkas all day every day in the years of Oasis... |
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Post by rockrevival on Sept 20, 2019 4:45:46 GMT -5
Liam is actually one of the biggest sellouts in industry and nobody even talks about it because somehow he managed to convince us that he is last rock and roll star through his interviews, walk, swagger, clothes (which are getting worse and worse btw). Imagine if Liam dissapered or something, WMWN sounds like soundtrack of some movie that Disney made about Liam and what they think how will his new album sound if he was still with us. They would hire 5 songwriters, give them Best Of the Beatles, Stone Roses first album and few Oasis albums and tell them to write something like that. Similar situation was with AYW but that album at least had some soul, probably because enthusiasm was bigger and there was more songs written by Liam. I think he's been a sellout since he let that Noel fella in the band. "We're gonna live forever". Who's "we"? And what's a "wonderwall" anyway? Yeah, man, Liam's been a fake all his life. Why fake? Why not is more like it, isn't it? |
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Post by oasisserbia on Sept 20, 2019 4:47:25 GMT -5
Liam is actually one of the biggest sellouts in industry and nobody even talks about it because somehow he managed to convince us that he is last rock and roll star through his interviews, walk, swagger, clothes (which are getting worse and worse btw). Imagine if Liam dissapered or something, WMWN sounds like soundtrack of some movie that Disney made about Liam and what they think how will his new album sound if he was still with us. They would hire 5 songwriters, give them Best Of the Beatles, Stone Roses first album and few Oasis albums and tell them to write something like that. Similar situation was with AYW but that album at least had some soul, probably because enthusiasm was bigger and there was more songs written by Liam. I think he's been a sellout since he let that Noel fella in the band. "We're gonna live forever". Who's "we"? And what's a "wonderwall" anyway? Yeah, man, Liam's been a fake all his like. Why fake? Why not is more like it, isn't it? Hahahaahahaha that's great album title actually  |
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Post by rickypaglais on Sept 20, 2019 4:48:53 GMT -5
Liam is actually one of the biggest sellouts in industry and nobody even talks about it because somehow he managed to convince us that he is last rock and roll star through his interviews, walk, swagger, clothes (which are getting worse and worse btw). Imagine if Liam dissapered or something, WMWN sounds like soundtrack of some movie that Disney made about Liam and what they think how will his new album sound if he was still with us. They would hire 5 songwriters, give them Best Of the Beatles, Stone Roses first album and few Oasis albums and tell them to write something like that. Similar situation was with AYW but that album at least had some soul, probably because enthusiasm was bigger and there was more songs written by Liam. He feels a bit like a caricature of himself. He doesn't wear parkas anymore because he wears them - he wears them because it is his trademark. He's turned into something like the new trilogy of Star Wars. Tatooine-planet CHECK. Darth Vader-type villain CHECK. Etc. He didn't wear parkas all day every day in the years of Oasis... He wore parkas throughout the DOYS tour pretty much |
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Post by Dangerman on Sept 20, 2019 4:58:32 GMT -5
So Liam is a sellout and a caricature of himself because he wears parkas more than he used to?
And I really don't get this:
"They would hire 5 songwriters, give them Best Of the Beatles, Stone Roses first album and few Oasis albums and tell them to write something like that"
The only differences with Oasis were:
1) Instead of 5 (or however many songwriters) it was one
2) That one writer was giving the best of The Beatles, Stone Roses, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, Tho Who. Really just any classic British rock and roll.
I mean really, if anyone is expecting anything more from Liam than music that sounds (mostly) like his heroes then it's clear where the issue lies. As a solo artist, he's been very transparent. He's admitted he's not the greatest write and he just wants to sing good songs. If he feels the songs are good enough to sing, and if for the most part, people are enjoying what he's doing, where's the problem?
What's going on here is going way beyond people just giving their opinion. If you don't like the music, then that is totally and completely okay; it's even good for the health of a forum. It's what drives healthy and engaging discussions. But a select few seem to be coming on her just to bash for bashing sake. And no, I'm not getting defensive over people not liking WMWN. For What It's Worth, I like it a lot. It's fine for people to dislike it and I've sent plenty of people on here doing so but in a far more constructive manner that isn't just complete bile.
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