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Post by Firefly on Jun 3, 2023 11:48:49 GMT -5
Well that's interesting, I'll surely try it out. So far I've been listening like this: I'm Not Giving Up Tonight Pretty Boy (Robert Smith's remix) Dead to the World We're Gonna Get There In The End Trying to Find A World Council Skies There she Blows! Love Is A Rich Man Think Of A Number Don't Stop Has a really nice flow and sounds a bit happier album IMO. That runs right to me. I haven't made any changes yet. Just hate the transition from World That's Been And Gone to Easy Now. I've got physical and digital copies and the digital is something called Adult Alternative version and it already has I'm Not Giving Up Tonight as the closer. Actually don't mind Think Of A Number as the closer. It's fitting, it's like that the mood he was in by the end.
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Post by shadowplay on Jun 3, 2023 11:50:35 GMT -5
I'd have a problem with AI if for example on Liam's next record it was used to some degree to augment his voice. As it is at the moment within this community anyway it's just a bit of fun that nobody should take too seriously. Nobody's not going to buy CS because they're waiting for someone to upload a version of it with Liam's vocal model on it.
No doubt in the future it's going to cause some major shitstorms with people making money on releasing a supposedly new song by an artist. I think that already happened with some pop act and some rapper and people thought it was a real collaboration. But so long as it's just used for some fun what if's I have no problem with it.
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Post by neila83 on Jun 3, 2023 11:53:32 GMT -5
Seems to be in a period of second guessing himself, understandable when he's going through a divorce and confidence has taken a knock. Was surprised to hear him criticise his albums the way he did, like he didn't have anything good to say about DOYS which is a fucking fantastic album even if the tail end is questionable. Shame. To be honest I always find an artist's input on his own work interesting. Charles Mingus did the same in 1974 when he released "Changes One" and "Changes Two" and called it his best work (which simply put is untrue when you have already released absolute masterpieces such as the Clown in 1957). Anyway enough jazz nerding, I'm quite happy Noel proves eager to criticise his work as he's not know usually for being the most humble person alive. I can do with a bit of adult mindset Agree, I thought it was a great interview. Not 'old man yells at cloud' at all. It's refreshing to hear Noel when he's being more sincere (but still funny as fuck). I tend to think this kind of interview is the real him when he gets to talk about the music more and someone actually shows some interest in the artistic process. I would think it must be maddening to be an artist, and have no one ever show the remotest interest in the creative process but only gossip. We got more information from that about the EPs and he view on the Oasis albums post Be Here Now than I think we've ever got before, so I don't know how a fan could just dismiss that. It's amazing noone else has asked him these questions. I also agree with him about Stop the Clocks, I suspect he knows he got the production of it all wrong. In hindsight he seems to fairly accurately judge the flaws on all those albums shame he couldn't at the time! (Obviously where he just didn't have better songs there wasn't much he could have done). When he's interviewed by journos who clearly know nothing about music and are only interested in gossip and Liam he gets bored and talks shit to get a headline, but it's not him, he's playing a role. One that suits him less well at 56 than 26 admittedly.
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Post by neila83 on Jun 3, 2023 12:01:18 GMT -5
I'd have a problem with AI if for example on Liam's next record it was used to some degree to augment his voice. As it is at the moment within this community anyway it's just a bit of fun that nobody should take too seriously. Nobody's not going to buy CS because they're waiting for someone to upload a version of it with Liam's vocal model on it. No doubt in the future it's going to cause some major shitstorms with people making money on releasing a supposedly new song by an artist. I think that already happened with some pop act and some rapper and people thought it was a real collaboration. But so long as it's just used for some fun what if's I have no problem with it. Would you be happy if someone used AI to rewrite all your forum posts in the style of someone you completely disagreed with, and presented it as your opinion? I doubt it. That's really no different to what is being done here. People are going to defend it as a bit of fun while they can get a quick kick, until it's them affected and suddenly they'll feel very differently.
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Post by matt on Jun 3, 2023 12:06:10 GMT -5
Knocking AI is not being a luddite. It's the automation and mechanisation of art, art through algorithm and demand.
Folk getting kicks out of something they want for instant gratification isn't art, as opposed to real art that gives people something they didn't know they needed. One of these days, people will be getting AI to write songs for themselves based on their music tastes, a mish mash of everything they listen to and call it 'art' (fucking hell, imagine narrow minded Oasis fans getting hold of this, bring on nuclear warfare and endless bloodshed if it produces a million James Hargreaves...). That only ever relies on old habits and old tastes. It'll lead to the death of exploration and curiosity for entirely new things. I hate it and nothing good will ever come of it.
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Post by ChampagneHypernova on Jun 3, 2023 12:13:36 GMT -5
AI can f off when it comes to different art forms.
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Post by shadowplay on Jun 3, 2023 12:15:46 GMT -5
I'd have a problem with AI if for example on Liam's next record it was used to some degree to augment his voice. As it is at the moment within this community anyway it's just a bit of fun that nobody should take too seriously. Nobody's not going to buy CS because they're waiting for someone to upload a version of it with Liam's vocal model on it. No doubt in the future it's going to cause some major shitstorms with people making money on releasing a supposedly new song by an artist. I think that already happened with some pop act and some rapper and people thought it was a real collaboration. But so long as it's just used for some fun what if's I have no problem with it. Would you be happy if someone used AI to rewrite all your forum posts in the style of someone you completely disagreed with, and presented it as your opinion? I doubt it. That's really no different to what is being done here. People are going to defend it as a bit of fun while they can get a quick kick, until it's them affected and suddenly they'll feel very differently. Would probably be an improvement to be fair and less prone to drunken rambling. I know what you're saying though, but the cats out of the bag by this point and there's no way to police it. Would I personally make AI augmented songs if I was capeable? No, probably not and even if I did I'd keep it to myself but it's happened now. I've always found the whole deepfake thing far more egregious though to be honest and that has the potential to cause some real misery in the wrong hands. Fans making edits for no personal profit of artists songs and correctly labeling them as AI is okay for me though, that whole ASIS thing is different and not for me but that's just my opinion. It's all just a small part of what is about to become a real big problem that there's no obvious solution to and it's certainly going to get interesting that's for sure.
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Post by andycoleoasis on Jun 3, 2023 12:24:55 GMT -5
The AI stuff isn’t good - but Liam singing on any song elevates it.
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Post by mimmihopps on Jun 3, 2023 12:40:06 GMT -5
The more I listen to, the more I love this album. I’m not bothered to write my humble review on here, but I just want to enjoy this new album.
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Post by bestwick8 on Jun 3, 2023 12:49:55 GMT -5
So good chance of a number one ? Guess so but it's gonna be close with the Foo Fighters Hopefully combining the standard and deluxe pushes Noel ahead a bit
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 3, 2023 13:03:38 GMT -5
Guess so but it's gonna be close with the Foo Fighters Hopefully combining the standard and deluxe pushes Noel ahead a bit I'm sure he'd be #1 on those charts if there was just one version, but both of them will get most of their sales off physical copies, so we'll have to wait to understand how it's shaping up
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Post by neila83 on Jun 3, 2023 13:23:19 GMT -5
Think of a number - is it the best 'epic' tune he's written since Gas Panic? Can't think of any others really, BOTMI goes for it but doesn't quite get there, though I do love it.
I'm really in awe of this album, and as someone else said, we should take it as a gift. There's no saying when Noel might stop producing music like this. He's really hit his groove now. The first album he basically made an Oasis album without Liam, CY he wasn't sure what he wanted with the whole AA fiasco, the album was good but the lows were low (I still cringe when x ray eyes starts) Since WBTM he seems to have rediscovered the idea of an album as a whole piece that hangs together and it's fantastic (possible exception of black and white sunshine which really doesn't fit on that album, and isn't that good on an album it did fit on).
To have not giving up tonight, dead to the world, trying to find a world, there she blows and think of a number on one album, I never thought we'd get something like that again. Really shows up songs like dying of the light which is just so turgid compared to these - he can do a ballad without it having to seem a pale imitation of Oasis.
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Post by crownie on Jun 3, 2023 13:33:09 GMT -5
Does anyone else hear U2's New Year's Day in Think Of A Number? Sounds like something by the Smiths
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Post by crownie on Jun 3, 2023 13:44:39 GMT -5
I read a few pages on here hours after the leak and people were really talking up the songs we hadn't heard so I decided to stop reading.
I'm not sure if that affected my first listen through but only Think Of A Number stood out and my favourites are still Dead to the World and Council Skies.
Still, It's a really good album and I don't think there is a weak track on it.
Looking forward to see what songs grow on me the more I listen.
Thanks Again Noel!
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Post by tiger40 on Jun 3, 2023 13:49:15 GMT -5
I'd have a problem with AI if for example on Liam's next record it was used to some degree to augment his voice. As it is at the moment within this community anyway it's just a bit of fun that nobody should take too seriously. Nobody's not going to buy CS because they're waiting for someone to upload a version of it with Liam's vocal model on it. No doubt in the future it's going to cause some major shitstorms with people making money on releasing a supposedly new song by an artist. I think that already happened with some pop act and some rapper and people thought it was a real collaboration. But so long as it's just used for some fun what if's I have no problem with it. Would you be happy if someone used AI to rewrite all your forum posts in the style of someone you completely disagreed with, and presented it as your opinion? I doubt it. That's really no different to what is being done here. People are going to defend it as a bit of fun while they can get a quick kick, until it's them affected and suddenly they'll feel very differently. I totally agree with you, all this Al stuff doesn't interest me one bit and I refuse to listen to any of it.
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Post by defmaybe00 on Jun 3, 2023 13:50:05 GMT -5
If "Stop the Clocks" had a proper chorus it would be an all-timer. Still a sweet little tune as it is, though. All of his closers have been better since then, though. Too cheesy, the recording really didn't do it any favour and the fact he was going for the epic closer doesn't help Then you have Mighty I, Dead in The Water (well, the end credits, but we all see DITW as a closer) and Think of A Number (or WGGTITE if you like) as the other closers...
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Post by bestwick8 on Jun 3, 2023 13:58:20 GMT -5
Trying to find a world that’s been and gone doesn’t sound too different from the demo of magic secrets
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Post by Supersonic on Jun 3, 2023 14:01:32 GMT -5
If "Stop the Clocks" had a proper chorus it would be an all-timer. Still a sweet little tune as it is, though. All of his closers have been better since then, though. Too cheesy, the recording really didn't do it any favour and the fact he was going for the epic closer doesn't help Then you have Mighty I, Dead in The Water (well, the end credits, but we all see DITW as a closer) and Think of A Number (or WGGTITE if you like) as the other closers... I think We’re Gonna Get There in the end and Think of a Number can both work as closers, depending on the context you see the album in
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Post by Casino Boogie on Jun 3, 2023 14:34:18 GMT -5
I'm still waiting on my order from the official store. Just wondered if anyone has a clear scan of the liner notes for the bonus disc? Especially curious about Don't Stop..., I suspect this version was recorded during the Chasing Yesterday sessions with the orchestra added only now. When Don't Stop was recorded isn't obvious from the credits - it features Strangeboy, Mikey Rowe, Jeremy Stacey, Callum Marinho (playing 'the tube' which features on a lot of the album tracks. He also mixed and engineered the album), Roxys, Jess Greenfield + 3 other backing singers, Clement St Leonard (precussion and sound effects - he features on all LP tracks I think), The Wired Strings. The credits indicate a lot of baritone guitar on the album.
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Post by norkbauer on Jun 3, 2023 14:55:10 GMT -5
I’m totally into Think of a Number. This is exactly the kind of song I was hoping for this record. It’s definitely up there with my fav HFB tracks like Alone on the Rope, While the Song Remains the Same, Riverman and Wrong Beach.
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Post by thespiderandthefly on Jun 3, 2023 14:59:41 GMT -5
Anyone seen Pretty Boy (Acoustic) from the 7' vinyl around for purchase or stream?
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Post by carlober on Jun 3, 2023 15:15:31 GMT -5
Anyone seen Pretty Boy (Acoustic) from the 7' vinyl around for purchase or stream? I guess we have to wait for a proper vinyl rip. I can't stand vinyl-only tracks. As much as I love vinyl, it's 2023 FFS. Give us at least a download code.
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Post by Supersonic on Jun 3, 2023 15:23:59 GMT -5
Anyone seen Pretty Boy (Acoustic) from the 7' vinyl around for purchase or stream? I guess we have to wait for a proper vinyl rip. I can't stand vinyl-only tracks. As much as I love vinyl, it's 2023 FFS. Give us at least a download code. Won’t it be the same as the Japanese bonus track?
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Post by carlober on Jun 3, 2023 15:27:04 GMT -5
I guess we have to wait for a proper vinyl rip. I can't stand vinyl-only tracks. As much as I love vinyl, it's 2023 FFS. Give us at least a download code. Won’t it be the same as the Japanese bonus track? Only the acoustic version of Easy Now is on the Japanese CDs. Pretty Boy (Acoustic) is vinyl-only at this stage, if I'm not mistaken.
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Post by Supersonic on Jun 3, 2023 15:50:40 GMT -5
Think of a Number is his best ever solo song in my opinion, just sheer perfection.
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