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Post by unionpat on Nov 25, 2017 19:28:29 GMT -5
AYW, good writing, good production (just needs more guitar solos!), WBTM, different does not equal great.
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Post by didthedamage on Nov 25, 2017 19:46:14 GMT -5
I don't totally get the love for As You Were. It's good. Better than expected, even. But it isn't mesmerizing. Who Built the Moon? is incomparable, but if I could only have one, I'd have it.
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 25, 2017 20:08:51 GMT -5
I don't totally get the love for As You Were. It's good. Better than expected, even. But it isn't mesmerizing. Who Built the Moon? is incomparable, but if I could only have one, I'd have it. It's just some people want the cookie cuter Oasis rockers I guess...I prefer Noel's new direction a bit more. A lot more variety. |
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Post by GlastoEls on Nov 26, 2017 9:17:54 GMT -5
I don't totally get the love for As You Were. It's good. Better than expected, even. But it isn't mesmerizing. Who Built the Moon? is incomparable, but if I could only have one, I'd have it. It's just some people want the cookie cuter Oasis rockers I guess...I prefer Noel's new direction a bit more. A lot more variety. Maybe that’s damning AYW with faint praise. If AYW was cookie cutter, everyone would be doing it - and they can’t! |
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Post by GlastoEls on Nov 26, 2017 9:19:15 GMT -5
AYW, good writing, good production (just needs more guitar solos!), WBTM, different does not equal great. But he deserves praise for rolling the dice! |
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Post by funhouse on Nov 26, 2017 9:29:39 GMT -5
As You Were. Higher peaks, more memorable melodies. Could have spared a few tracks, though. If Dead In The Water would have been part of WBTM? it would have been a closer contest.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Nov 26, 2017 9:37:03 GMT -5
I really don't understand why people are being so vicious and are throwing with words as "Liam/Noel fanboy" and "battle". Why can't you just enjoy something without insulting others? Also, what kind of battle is this exactly? A battle between someone's third album which sounds unlike most things he's done before and which wasn't created to be a specific commercial success and someone's debut album which sounds Oasis-y, is specifically created for the masses (as a comeback) and had help from a team of co-writers? What is the point, really? Sorry, but for me it's not a battle. I'm just pointed out numbers and facts. I wish both of them sell well and continue releasing albums in the future. How can be an "objective fact" saying that AYW clearly wins in quality? And saying that supposedly lower sales from Noel are because the album "maybe it's not as good" ? That's opinion, as good as any other of course, but opinion And regarding sales, I also remember you informing us of the "objective fact" that Holy Mountain was a commercial flop compared with other Noel first singles because "maybe it was not as good"...and after that HM reentered the charts and has been there since then, becoming Noel's most successful single only after WAL |
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Post by uǝɥʇɐǝɥ on Nov 26, 2017 10:09:14 GMT -5
Who Built The Moon? + Liam Vocals - this truck driver's song + a couple of Liam songs > As You Were
Who built sounds like the kind of convoy Alan Partridge would describe as a singular vehicel.
God Bless!
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Post by DCUnited on Nov 26, 2017 10:50:26 GMT -5
Picked As You Were because I'm still listening to it 2 months later. I'm already done with Who Built the Moon
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 26, 2017 14:13:34 GMT -5
It's just some people want the cookie cuter Oasis rockers I guess...I prefer Noel's new direction a bit more. A lot more variety. Maybe that’s damning AYW with faint praise. If AYW was cookie cutter, everyone would be doing it - and they can’t!I like AYW, but I'm not sure that's 100% true. Let's look at what Liam had in his arsenal for AYW: - one of the biggest names in the rock scene - a huge marketing campaign that went on for half a year - a team of some of the most successfull songwriters in the industry That's kind of a "too big to fail" situation, isn't it? Completely understandable route to take of course - unlike Noel, Liam needed something successfull to build a career on, and unlike Noel, Liam's job description is "singer/rock star", not "songwriter". |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 26, 2017 14:22:29 GMT -5
Maybe that’s damning AYW with faint praise. If AYW was cookie cutter, everyone would be doing it - and they can’t!I like AYW, but I'm not sure that's 100% true. Let's look at what Liam had in his arsenal for AYW: - one of the biggest names in the rock scene - a huge marketing campaign that went on for half a year - a team of some of the most successfull songwriters in the industry That's kind of a "too big to fail" situation, isn't it? Completely understandable route to take of course - unlike Noel, Liam needed something successfull to build a career on, and unlike Noel, Liam's job description is "singer/rock star", not "songwriter". There were no gurantees regardless of who Liam brought in the album is still at least half his work, had it been shite the marketing would only get you so far. Its interesting how a lot of people gave him no hope and now its like it was a dead cert to do well. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 26, 2017 14:26:57 GMT -5
I don't totally get the love for As You Were. It's good. Better than expected, even. But it isn't mesmerizing. Who Built the Moon? is incomparable, but if I could only have one, I'd have it. It's just some people want the cookie cuter Oasis rockers I guess...I prefer Noel's new direction a bit more. A lot more variety. Its good that just like Noel you can make assumptions about who might like Liam's record. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 26, 2017 14:43:21 GMT -5
It's just some people want the cookie cuter Oasis rockers I guess...I prefer Noel's new direction a bit more. A lot more variety. Its good that just like Noel you can make assumptions about who might like Liam's record. Nice to see Liam's bodyguard is back with a vengeance. What do you think of Noel's new album, BTW? |
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Post by chamu on Nov 26, 2017 14:52:38 GMT -5
Sorry, but for me it's not a battle. I'm just pointed out numbers and facts. I wish both of them sell well and continue releasing albums in the future. How can be an "objective fact" saying that AYW clearly wins in quality? And saying that supposedly lower sales from Noel are because the album "maybe it's not as good" ? That's opinion, as good as any other of course, but opinion And regarding sales, I also remember you informing us of the "objective fact" that Holy Mountain was a commercial flop compared with other Noel first singles because "maybe it was not as good"...and after that HM reentered the charts and has been there since then, becoming Noel's most successful single only after WAL Obviously you have misunderstood my post. Quality is about subjetivity. I said AYW, in my opinion, is more pleasant than WBTM. Not a fact. Facts i was referring about numbers and relevance in Uk right now. I have said many many times. I´m not Team Liam or Team Noel. I´m Team Oasis. Sorry for that, and sorry for thinking about AYW is better than WBTM. I see that for some members is very difficult to accept there are some people who thinks different. But if you´re happier with this, here you go: WBTM is the best record after WTSMG and Holy Mountain is the most succesfull single for Noel Gallagher |
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Post by jason77 on Nov 26, 2017 14:56:16 GMT -5
What is all this team shite if you like the albums buy them if not do not bother 2 of the best albums I have heard this year.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Nov 26, 2017 15:52:53 GMT -5
How can be an "objective fact" saying that AYW clearly wins in quality? And saying that supposedly lower sales from Noel are because the album "maybe it's not as good" ? That's opinion, as good as any other of course, but opinion And regarding sales, I also remember you informing us of the "objective fact" that Holy Mountain was a commercial flop compared with other Noel first singles because "maybe it was not as good"...and after that HM reentered the charts and has been there since then, becoming Noel's most successful single only after WAL Obviously you have misunderstood my post. Quality is about subjetivity. I said AYW, in my opinion, is more pleasant than WBTM. Not a fact. Facts i was referring about numbers and relevance in Uk right now. I have said many many times. I´m not Team Liam or Team Noel. I´m Team Oasis. Sorry for that, and sorry for thinking about AYW is better than WBTM. I see that for some members is very difficult to accept there are some people who thinks different. But if you´re happier with this, here you go: WBTM is the best record after WTSMG and Holy Mountain is the most succesfull single for Noel Gallagher I don't have a problem with you preferring AYW over WBTM. I have a problem with the lame argument that "poor Noel sales maybe are related with low quality" because: 1) (and less important) We don't even have any numbers about Noel's sales yet. And even if we had, initial trends may change, as the HM case illustrates. So you are not stating facts, you are making guesses 2) (and more important) It should be obvious bigger sales do not say anything about the subjective quality anyone perceives. Or is "Despacito" your favourite song of this year? So it's you the one pretending that your opinion is better than others based on supposedly "objective facts" |
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Post by mape on Nov 26, 2017 15:54:24 GMT -5
different does not equal great. My thoughts exactly on the entire album. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 26, 2017 15:58:31 GMT -5
I like AYW, but I'm not sure that's 100% true. Let's look at what Liam had in his arsenal for AYW: - one of the biggest names in the rock scene - a huge marketing campaign that went on for half a year - a team of some of the most successfull songwriters in the industry That's kind of a "too big to fail" situation, isn't it? Completely understandable route to take of course - unlike Noel, Liam needed something successfull to build a career on, and unlike Noel, Liam's job description is "singer/rock star", not "songwriter". There were no gurantees regardless of who Liam brought in the album is still at least half his work, had it been shite the marketing would only get you so far. Its interesting how a lot of people gave him no hope and now its like it was a dead cert to do well. The three big singles (Wall of Glass, FWIW, Chinatown) were all written or co-written by songwriters, which definitely did a lot in terms of public reception. He did write some good stuff, no doubt (my favorite on AYW us Greedy Soul and that's just Liam) but bringing in those guys for the singles really reduces the risk of failing. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 26, 2017 16:02:57 GMT -5
There were no gurantees regardless of who Liam brought in the album is still at least half his work, had it been shite the marketing would only get you so far. Its interesting how a lot of people gave him no hope and now its like it was a dead cert to do well. The three big singles (Wall of Glass, FWIW, Chinatown) were all written or co-written by songwriters, which definitely did a lot in terms of public reception. He did write some good stuff, no doubt (my favorite on AYW us Greedy Soul and that's just Liam) but bringing in those guys for the singles really reduces the risk of failing. Sorry but people on here were talking like he was a no hoper who needed Noel and Oasis or nothing. There are countless, and i mean countless, amounts of posts by users on here who would now swear blind to have always been behind him that he was just simply not popular and a complete failure. Me, and some others kept the faith and actually said hang on, no, he just needs good marketing and his name on the front of everything. Yes, im gonna remind you fuckers cos basically we were right and you were wrong. |
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 26, 2017 16:10:32 GMT -5
different does not equal great. My thoughts exactly on the entire album. Fortunately for us though, this album does  |
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Post by tomlivesforever on Nov 26, 2017 17:05:39 GMT -5
Its good that just like Noel you can make assumptions about who might like Liam's record. Nice to see Liam's bodyguard is back with a vengeance. What do you think of Noel's new album, BTW? What do you think of that assumption? Do you think its fair? Not commenting to much on an album I have only listened to a few times so far but I can tell you what I won't do, like it or not I won't be trashing it or being snide over and over to a lot of people who are really enjoying it. |
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Post by AdidasNG72 on Nov 26, 2017 17:11:24 GMT -5
Nice to see Liam's bodyguard is back with a vengeance. What do you think of Noel's new album, BTW? What do you think of that assumption? Do you think its fair? Not commenting to much on an album I have only listened to a few times so far but I can tell you what I won't do, like it or not I won't be trashing it or being snide over and over to a lot of people who are really enjoying it. I noticed you are quick to jump to Liam's defence and at the same time ready to pounce on Noel, if the Liam v Noel debate ever rears its ugly head (not that it happens that much on here). But it was also meant in jest too, not to be taken that seriously...  Hopefully the album may grow on you. It certainly grew on me, although my wife isn't too impressed that I have it on loop on my car stereo. |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 26, 2017 17:32:11 GMT -5
Me, and some others kept the faith and actually said hang on, no, he just needs good marketing and his name on the front of everything. Yes, im gonna remind you fuckers cos basically we were right and you were wrong. "You fuckers"? "We"? No idea what conflict you're building up there mate...how does any of this matter when comparing AYW and WBTM anyway? For the record, I'm not somebody who trashes Liam for a living if that's what you're thinking - I've always loved the guy, thought of him as a world class frontman, just one with average songwriting skills. I still think that while I prefer WBTM, the two 2017 albums are perfect together. If you want a more classic Oasis-like rock sound, AYW is perfect; if you want an evolution of the Oasis sound and something a bit different, WBTM is as good as it gets. |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Nov 26, 2017 17:35:10 GMT -5
Me, and some others kept the faith and actually said hang on, no, he just needs good marketing and his name on the front of everything. Yes, im gonna remind you fuckers cos basically we were right and you were wrong. "You fuckers"? "We"? No idea what conflict you're building up there mate...how does any of this matter when comparing AYW and WBTM anyway? For the record, I'm not somebody who trashes Liam for a living if that's what you're thinking - I've always loved the guy, thought of him as a world class frontman, just one with average songwriting skills. I still think that while I prefer WBTM, the two 2017 albums are perfect together. If you want a more classic Oasis-like rock sound, AYW is perfect; if you want an evolution of the Oasis sound and something a bit different, WBTM is as good as it gets. It isnt as good as it gets at all. Man Who Built The Moon as a song is as good as it gets, and more of that kind of song (in terms of one that actually sounds finished) would have been great. Its evolved, but nowhere near as much as Noel would have everyone believe and it suffers a great amount from being written in the studio. |
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Post by The Spider And The Fly on Nov 26, 2017 17:45:17 GMT -5
There were no gurantees regardless of who Liam brought in the album is still at least half his work, had it been shite the marketing would only get you so far. Its interesting how a lot of people gave him no hope and now its like it was a dead cert to do well. The three big singles (Wall of Glass, FWIW, Chinatown) were all written or co-written by songwriters, which definitely did a lot in terms of public reception. He did write some good stuff, no doubt (my favorite on AYW us Greedy Soul and that's just Liam) but bringing in those guys for the singles really reduces the risk of failing. Never heard any of these songs on the radio here in Canada. Big singles, not having it |
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