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Post by Manualex on Nov 24, 2017 16:39:40 GMT -5
The Spider and the Fly by the Rolling Stones is a great song... Thanks. Everyone but me and you(well and The Spider And The Fly) are talking about Start Me Up and it makes me go loco. It's more blatant there with the melody,still... 😮
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Post by Sternumman on Nov 24, 2017 16:45:53 GMT -5
It’s not that I don’t like that he went away from his comfort zone, I just don’t think he did it well. Besides The Man Who Built The Moon and the bonus track, there isn’t anything I can see myself going back to. A bunch of forgettable songs IMO.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Nov 24, 2017 16:47:59 GMT -5
The Spider and the Fly by the Rolling Stones is a great song... Thanks. Everyone but me and you(well and The Spider And The Fly) are talking about Start Me Up and it makes me go loco. It's more blatant there with the melody,still... 😮 I don't hear Start Me Up; on another song on the album I think I hear a Rolling Stones song, can't think of which one.... Godzilla bless.
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Post by Teotihuacan on Nov 24, 2017 16:55:59 GMT -5
There's also lyrical reference to Monkey Man, could be a nod to the Stones tune or Noel could've been enjoying 50's classic B movies along with The Hateful 8, in the last few years.
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Post by oasisserbia on Nov 24, 2017 16:56:26 GMT -5
It's different kind of album, people should relax and listen to it, try to feel the music, not to analyze it to much, stop thinking about choruses, verses, comparing it to Noel's previous work.
But on the other hand, it's just not that good. In my opinion anyway. I get the idea and all that and respect Noel for doing this but that is not enough. He can't hide behind that and call parka monkeys everybody that doesn't suck his dick. I listened to this album with an open heart and enjoyed it, but it's nothing spectacular. And the biggest fear I have is that Noel will not emotionally connect with people and that this album will be more and more irrelevant as every day goes by and soon forgotten. I already don't feel the urge to listen to it again, there are albums in similar genre that are far superior and that I would rather listen if I want to listen that kind of music.
7.5/10
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Post by jxing on Nov 24, 2017 17:05:03 GMT -5
I listened some more and on the stereo rather than the headphones. My favorites are still dead in the water- although it's definitely a song for a specific mood like talk tonight.
Love is the law God help us all
I feel the same about WBTM as i did with his other 2, some good tunes but not an album that I'll listen to frequently. Still can't relate or connect with his lyrics.
I was waiting to hear the album before getting tickets to his gig in new Orleans... I won't be going. Still too many VIP seats available and bad seats for regular price as well as I'm just not interested in seeing him.
WBTM gets a positive "meh"
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Post by mossy on Nov 24, 2017 17:12:00 GMT -5
The Spider and the Fly by the Rolling Stones is a great song... Thanks. Everyone but me and you(well and The Spider And The Fly) are talking about Start Me Up and it makes me go loco. It's more blatant there with the melody,still... 😮 I quite like the Start Me Up bit. I always imagine Noel doing the Jagger rooster dance to it. X
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Post by Let It Bleed on Nov 24, 2017 17:16:56 GMT -5
I listened some more and on the stereo rather than the headphones. My favorites are still dead in the water- although it's definitely a song for a specific mood like talk tonight. Love is the law God help us all I feel the same about WBTM as i did with his other 2, some good tunes but not an album that I'll listen to frequently. Still can't relate or connect with his lyrics. I was waiting to hear the album before getting tickets to his gig in new Orleans... I won't be going. Still too many VIP seats available and bad seats for regular price as well as I'm just not interested in seeing him. WBTM gets a positive "meh" Perhaps taking some peyoté would enhance your listening experience.....peyoté's worked wonders for my golf swing. Godzilla bless.
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Post by space75gr on Nov 24, 2017 17:21:12 GMT -5
In my poor opinion its his worst album by miles, one i hardly want to hear again, even if i m tryin hard...The only track i wanna hear again n again is TMWBTM, but nothing close to it, an epic moment of genius that makes the whole album sounds like a joke. And i dont get at all the love for DITW, just a good b side track, more likea poor "demo" version of TDOTL
5/10
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 24, 2017 17:24:33 GMT -5
In my poor opinion its his worst album by miles, one i hardly want to hear again, even if i m tryin hard...The only track i wanna hear again n again is TMWBTM, but nothing close to it, an epic moment of genius that makes the whole album sounds like a joke. And i dont get at all the love for DITW, just a good b side track, more likea poor "demo" version of TDOTL 5/10 What is WBTM missing compared to AYW or Beady Eye?
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 24, 2017 17:35:52 GMT -5
After taking the album in some more, I think I'm going to give this an 8.5/10.
It's fuckin' good, man.
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Post by space75gr on Nov 24, 2017 17:36:51 GMT -5
In my poor opinion its his worst album by miles, one i hardly want to hear again, even if i m tryin hard...The only track i wanna hear again n again is TMWBTM, but nothing close to it, an epic moment of genius that makes the whole album sounds like a joke. And i dont get at all the love for DITW, just a good b side track, more likea poor "demo" version of TDOTL 5/10 What is WBTM missing compared to AYW or Beady Eye? i prefer to ask what is missing compared to CY or NGHFB or other albums by Noel. Thats the right question, unless you want that thread to turn (again) to a civil war. Not my cup of tea my good friend, i dont play that game and i suppose i have the right to like or dislike something.
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Post by World71R on Nov 24, 2017 17:37:51 GMT -5
After first listen:
#1 Fort Knox: 10/10 (Now THIS is how you start an album. It breaks down the doors, lets everyone know it's here, and marches right in. I could just imagine this song kicking off some sort of badass film, it's just sooo good. Easily one of the top five best HFB songs.)
#7 Holy Mountain: 8/10 (At first, I wasn't sure what to think about this song but after some time with it, it's a very good tune, a good single and fun song that carries on the excitement of the opener. This is what In the Heat of the Moment could've been.)
#10 Keep on Reaching: 6/10 (This comes in well after HM. It carries the excitement and attitude that the first two songs and leads in well to It's a Beautiful World. I like the brass section and the twinkling synth layers that are inserted here. It sounds a little punk but also bluesy. It's nothing too special besides that, I'd classify it more as a filler song but a good one though.)
#3 It's a Beautiful World: 9/10 (Lovely tune, definite standout. This is like a sister song to Ballad of the Mighty I, but seems to stem moreso from the beautiful interlude on that song than the driving attitude BOTMI has. I'm impressed that Noel was able to make such an a restrained and atmospheric song that still manages to soar into the stratosphere, and I don't think it would've been done without David Holmes's help. I'd go as far to say it's a masterpiece)
#6 She Taught Me How to Fly: 8/10 (I like how it has an 80s, new wave vibe but sounds very modern and like something that's going to stand the test of time. It's nice to hear Noel give a nod to New Order/Joy Division while also squeezing a bit of that BHN-esque euphoria (reminds me of I Got the Fever) in there while not going too far with it.
Interlude 1: 4/5 (Very trippy but also smooth and silky. This builds off of some of what we heard on CY with The Right Stuff and Riverman. It has a cinematic feel to it and would go well in the background of an action montage scene with the main characters; reminds me of Fez/Being Born by U2 as well.)
#5 Be Careful What You Wish For 8.5/10 (I like how this song is laidback but very bluesy at the same time. Noel using his lower register also sounds perfect in this context and is something we don't get enough. This song starts out as being about the only one I can think of that would fit within an Oasis album (specifically Dig Out Your Soul), but it progresses very well to be a departure from any kind of Noel, Liam, or Oasis sound. All-around good, very trippy, very sexy(?) (Dare I say? Wow, it's hard to believe that is a quality for an Oasis-related song) song. I like it. Well done Noel!)
#9 Black & White Sunshine 6.5/10 (Probably the weakest song on the album but it's still good. It's also the most Oasis-like, but I can't think of any album where this song would actually fit so that's a good mark on the song especially within such an un-Oasis like album.
#8 If Love is the Law: 7.5/10 (This has an interesting sound to it. It has a Motown feel at some points which is pretty unique for Noel. It's something fun for Noel and it makes sense being placed between two more serious songs. I wouldn't mind hearing a couple more songs like this from Noel. Additionally, I like how well it flows into The Man Who Built the Moon, especially since it is almost a 180 of that song.)
#2 The Man Who Built the Moon: 9.5/10 (Wow, this kicks in hard. Right from the start, you know this song means business and it does so. Some people say it sounds like Wonderwall, but I don't see it. Sure it has the grandiose nature of Wonderwall but my gosh does it sound like so much more than that. There's a little bit of When the Levee Breaks, Bullet the Blue Sky, Politik, James Bond theme music, and shoot even Mirrors by Justin Timberlake, the latter which is one of the better pop songs released over the last few years. Best song on the album, no doubt. I would take a few more songs like these)
End Credits: 5/5 (As others have said, this sounds like the credits music when you're on your way out of the theater. It wraps up the loose ends of the album and comes in after TMWBTM very well. While it is similar to the first interlude, it's just different enough and in a different context that it works. What's cool is that Dead in the Water feels like that one song hyped up before the movie release that you have to wait until after the initial credits music to hear, kind of a like bonus for those who stick around even after the end.)
#4 Dead in the Water: 9/10 (Lightning in a bottle. It's a special moment whenever you can capture one of the greatest songwriters of the last 25 years undisturbed in his element and you get just that here. This song has all the unadulterated tenderness and power you could ask from a Noel song and it sounds like a step forward for his songwriting. It doesn't sound anything like the other acoustic tracks he's done (Half the World Away, Talk Tonight, Wonderwall, The Dying of the Light) but it would fit just right alongside those songs. The lyrics are also another high mark this song has. The song works as a nice companion to TMWBTM. This is almost a comedown from everything that happens in that song.)
Impressions:
It's been beaten to death, but I would say this album is a definite rival to BHN and is up there with the first HFB album. It's fresh, exciting, has an amazing flow, and is of high quality with some good writing which is probably the most important element of them all imo. Noel and David collaborated well, and it seems as though this album is going to age well which is great. There aren't any "of-the-time" production tricks going on and that many of the sounds on this album will still sound just as good five years now as they do now. The only song I could see aging poorly is Keep on Reaching, as it does have some of that dark, gritty, modern production that might be get outdated in time but other than that, I think the rest of the songs will stand the test of time.
Nevertheless, I do want to see Noel work with David again and to push the sound further (if not David, then someone who will do so and do so well). Explore more electronica, hip-hop, and other forms of music, drop the guitar a little more from the songs. This album is a realization of what SOTSOG could've been but without the chains of Oasis there anymore, I want to see Noel go further and really, really get out there.
That aside, I hope this album does not go underrated. This is just the right album that needs to be played to the Noel naysayers to hush them. Noel needed a kick forward to evolve his sound and formula, and that's exactly what happened here. I think this album could've done well with another song, as the whole thing goes by so quickly, but it leaves you satisfied at the same time and really enjoying the songs that you've just received. Personally, I already have a love for the top seven tracks, which is awesome. Very good album.
Overall Rating: 8.3/10 (8.7/10 without the bottom two tracks)
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Post by deadman on Nov 24, 2017 17:41:04 GMT -5
I love it. From the 21st Century NG on tracks 1-11, to the 20th Century NG on track 12.
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Post by Let It Bleed on Nov 24, 2017 18:01:27 GMT -5
So far my favorite song is either 'Be Careful What You Wish For' or 'Black & White Sunshine', can't remember which one I prefer, was listening to the album in the car while drinking and driving.....drinking green tea with matcha, which completely changed my perspective. Couldn't concentrate on the music, rush hour traffic and not in a music mood in general.....
So far I like the album, not the best album in the last 50 years but ok, seems like the kind of album that would be nice to play at a party, in the background, not blaring....or nice to play while lounging around the house doing whatever, maybe while getting rid of a body.
Need to listen to the album with some earphones.....
Thanks.
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Post by rpn101 on Nov 24, 2017 18:18:41 GMT -5
Had the album on repeat all day and I feel that while there's a lot going on there are very few standout moments. Lyrics aren't his best and there just doesn't seem to be those special moments you often get in Noel's songs that remind you of his songwriting prowess. Noel talks about the songs being written in the studio and it does have a spontaneous feel, but not necessarily in a good way. Despite there being real depth to the production the album actually seemed a bit one dimensional.
I am completely open minded to this apparent change in direction from Noel but is it really the cosmic sonic mind blowing explosion he hyped it as? Fort Know is, and beautiful world sort of, and they both work well, but the rest is a bit sub standard in my view.
This is my view after about 10 full plays. However sometimes you just know when you're going to like a track or not and for most of the songs I kind of already know I won't take to them, sadly.
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Post by thehyperbolist on Nov 24, 2017 18:23:02 GMT -5
In Texas, listening to it all day. Some of the songs, I didn’t like on the first listen, but loved them on the second. Really on each listen I liked the enitre thing more and more. Greatness. I even like Be Careful.... My least favorite is actually Dead in the Water, but even that one is good. I love how upbeat and joyous the album is. It is poppy in a good way but still seems from the heart. Noel’s only mistake was building it up as some sort of psychedelic journey. But he seems to consistently made that sort of overstatement for every song and album! Who knows what goes on in the mind of Noel...
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Post by matt on Nov 24, 2017 18:27:49 GMT -5
A quick google confirms I am not the only one who hears it.. From uncut magazine review The Man Who Built The Moon?" near the end of the album, takes the tune and and rhythm of "Wonderwall", and puts it in the epic setting of a Bond Them And from the times The Man Who Built the Moon sounds rather like a slowed-down Wonderwall. It is pretty blatant. Fair enough he wrote Wonderwall so is perfectly entitled to rip it off. And don't get me wrong - when I say he say is in decline - it is a decline from a ridiculously high point and for me his lesser material is still better than most others best efforts.. It sounds nothing like Wonderwall. It's an incredibly lazy comparison from critics who don't know much about Noel. We could all play a game of bingo as to what cliches clueless reviewers are going to pull out. Any critic who thinks this is sorely lacking in imagination. Even if that Times review is decent (4 stars), the haphazard nature and laziness in much of the writing, whether it's a good score or bad score, is dreadful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 18:31:06 GMT -5
First impression is musically it's far and away the best thing he's ever done, great production even if it takes some getting used to after the more straight forward production of other Noel records. But from a songwriting "craft" perspective, I'd say Noel comes up with stronger songs/melodies when he's writing at home and not in the studio with a producer. Overall though there's a really positive energy to the record and I think several of these tunes are going to grow on me big time, there's an infectious joy to a lot of this album.
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Post by batfink30 on Nov 24, 2017 18:38:54 GMT -5
This is such a polarizing album. I wonder why?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 18:40:58 GMT -5
It grows on me. The heights on this album are one of his best. But there is just too much filler.
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Nov 24, 2017 19:16:38 GMT -5
It's frookin biblical!!!! I mean, some songs are not that much but as a whole, the sound, the production, the revolutionary positiveness, the ending with those extraordinary songs... I'm happy right now; my beatiful husband is too, and that's all counts in this beatiful world we live for some sadly limited time.
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Post by Tman on Nov 24, 2017 19:22:26 GMT -5
Just noticed on the vinyl label....
Side A = Earth Side Side B = Dark Side
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Post by frjdoasis on Nov 24, 2017 20:27:21 GMT -5
Listened to it for the first time at work today, not taken AT ALL. Very average except for "Death In The Water" which is fucking stunning and just makes me even more sad that there is nothing else on the album that remotely touches it. I think I can quite relate to this view. Hope it grows on me, but the only song I really love is a song that has nothing to do with the Noel/Holmes record, that is DITW, a real gem. This song has a certain Who Put the Weight of the World on my Shoulder? to me, Noel by numbers. People might say we're conservative and that's fine, but you can't dismiss as 'a 90s nostalgic' anyone who finds this record well-produced, good, but also plodding and pretty much a damp squib after all that 'cosmic pop' hype. I think the focus here was on production and musical moments rather than on melodies and good songs, I don't know how intentionally, and that's the problem (these are just my tastes, obviously). NGHFB and CY had a lot more good tunes, I mean tunes that sound memorable even with just Noel and an acoustic guitar. I'm not sure we can say the same with WBTM. I think this record is good and enjoyable, but nothing special or memorable. And I expect something memorable from this guy. Some songs here sound a bit forced and uninspired too (e.g. BCWYWF is Get Off Your High Horse Lady part 2, nice hook but quite repetitive), none of them stands out to me (except for DITW of course). And anyway I prefer albums with more rockers, electric guitars, maybe it's just not my cup of tea. Simple as that, I suppose it's an age thing too. But it's a good record and I enjoy playing along to the live versions of HM and STMHTF, they sound way better live than on the album.
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Nov 25, 2017 7:40:15 GMT -5
After 1,5 listens yesterday night:
1- Fort Knox. Strong. Tense. Makes you want to wake up and fight the world out. I love when the day starts and a looks like there is a lot of possibilities. This song gives me the same feeling. I understand some people can be put off by the alarm bell but I love it (8).
2- Holy Mountain. An euphoric mix of great, ridiculous and fun. Will be great live, and in the times we are living, Noel is right: it is a bit revolutionary to write such a happy song (8,5).
3- Keep on reaching. Two and a half minutes of Motown, one minute of falsetto ending Bee Gees style and a bit of shouty Noel in between. My husband loved it. Not his greatest melody but good. I think it will grow on me (7,5).
4- Beatiful world. Fucking caviar music. That bass and drums... that seemingly happy but not happy at all tone. Love it. The instrumental/megaphone + last chrous repeat + final instrumental are a beatiful crescendo to end it (8,5).
5- She taught me to fly. A song made only of choruses. Reminds me not only of Blondie or New Order but The Police and Drive OST too. Repetitive, yes, but it could last 9 minutes and the melodies would be great anyway. Anyway I liked it a bit more in Jools Holland (7,5).
6- Be careful what you wish for. The least memorable melody by a margin, and quite long. The start is Come together, later it is a bit Riders on the Storm, a bit american desert. Good song to sit in a bar and chill drinking some beers. Good singing from the women in the song. I think I will like it more with time. It happened to me with The right stuff (7).
8- Black and white sunshine. Beatiful guitars. From the start it is clear this is the most "Noel by numbers song". The We can't go back of this album, altho I think I like Can't go back a bit more. Beatiful chorus. In the last part the melody builds tension and it looks like it is going for a guitar solo and then the last triumphant chorus. In 1997 it would have been this way, but this is a new Noel it seems (8).
8- Interlude. Nice ambient music. Knowing what it comes later, a bit of the calm before the storm. A quick peep but in good (6,5).
9- If love is the law. I read very good comments about it so I was expecting a bit more I think. But it is a very good, happy, almost christmas song. Spector sound. Johnny Marr is good, but I think a big Clarence Clemons-type sax solo would have been even better (7,5).
10- The man who built the moon. Don't know what to say. Beatiful world looks like a happy song but it is not happy at all. This one is the contrary. It sounds dark and menacing but euphoric at the same time. Epic sound, familiar but original, and best Noel vocals in quite some time. If it had some kind of masterful melodic change somewhere it could be one of his very best classics, but hey (9).
11- End credits. Post apocalypse chill. It flows well (7).
12- Dead in the water. What to say. It truly is 90s Noel. When he turns 70 and makes a Johnny Cash type album we will be in for a treat. It reminds me of Half the world away, Listen up... all those beatiful, classic, sad but uplifting songs he has made over the years (9).
13- God help us. Listened to it on the laptop cos I got not the japanese version but didn't like the sound of it. Too much echo or something. The song itself is a repetition of what we already knew. Melody is good but it did not do much for me (5).
Love the album. He really tries something different in almost all of the songs. The production is great and I think it will save the less memorable ones because they will have good re-listening value. The peaks (the end of the album) are insanely great. Some of the best Noel material in the last 15-20 years. Without Dead in the water, the album could feel a bit short.
Ah men, what a shame we have to wait 2 or 3 years at least for the next one. I truly love to listen Noel's music for the first time!!!
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