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Post by Thomas on Nov 25, 2017 13:05:43 GMT -5
Let's put things into perspective first: I love Chasing Yesterday. It's my favourite post-Oasis record, and I'm glad I was actually here, in this very forum, to live and enjoy the hype to it. It's not a masterpiece, but I find it to be much better than NGHFB's debut and both Beady Eye efforts. It's got a nice colour pallet, its high moments are extremely high and it flows very well in my opinion. I love how tracks fade into each other and some of the transitions are unbelievably amazing. But as soon as we knew the follow-up was already in the making I got my excitement sky high. David Holmes? Bold, uptempo, fun record? Songs being created in the studio? What a life! Who Built The Moon?, then, was the most hyped I've ever been to a Gallagher-related project. And I'm not let down by what Noel's achieved at all, but I do have some criticisms. The lack of dynamics, the really weird mixing at places, the somewhat lazy lyrics... I'll try to get into detail as I write. In a way, it reminds me of SOTSOG: it is my favourite Oasis record and I never get tired of it, but its flaws are really specific and noticeable and prevents it of being an absolutely fantastic album. I find Who Built The Moon?, however, to be better than SOTSOG in general. It has better songs and the production is more interesting. I'm happy Noel stepped out of the comfort zone, but to quote the man himself: I want more!!!I thought Chasing Yesterday was a transition album. Now I have a feeling Who Built The Moon? is actually the transition record, and Chasing Yesterday was just the end of an era. The old Noel Gallagher, I'm afraid, can't come to the phone right now. I give Who Built The Moon?, after several listens, a 8/10. 1. Fort KnoxThe thing I love the most about this is I feel it can be the opening track to a shitload of stuff. It could kickoff the World Cup or a Netflix indie movie, and it'd fit just right. I don't get the "I'll never listen to this, it's an instrumental" vibe. I literally don't get it. One of my favourites since the trailer came out. I think it really could use a little bit more of diverse arrangement, especially at the first half, and be less compressed. It kinda lacks something. That's a feeling I got a lot listening to this record. But, hey, I gotta get myself together! 8/102. Holy Mountain
Come on, now! This is the most uplifting track Noel's made since the late 90s. I don't mind the dirty, crushed sound here. It's absolutely great as it is. Even the small digital distortion serves the song well. You can tell they went for it. I remember that, when it came out, I must've listened to it about 15 times in a row. Never got tired of it. Packs me with a very unique energy. The ending could have less of she fell!, she fell! and more of other stuff, but that'll do. 8.5/103. Keep On ReachingI've been suffering with anxiety for about five years now. It's a real roller coaster and random things trigger it for no apparent reason. This song, sadly, happens to be one of this things. I'm not sure if it's the beat, the refrain, the weeeeeeird mix at times (there's this big big gap on the chorus where the snare should've been and it really bothers me)... I don't know. It's not bad. I just don't find it to be very good either. A nice filler. It's very different for Noel, though, and kudos for him for doing it. Reminds me of Michael Jackson, and that's hardly a bad thing. 6.5/10
4. It's A Beautiful World
Blissful. I love how it builds and builds and builds and builds but manages to fit in a happy-sad chorus. The general atmosphere of the song is great, and Charlotte's spoken word is a lovely chaos. Really like the production here, although I'd definitely add more arrangement to the verses, and it doesn't necessarily have to be big. Subtle synths, ethereal guitars, whatever. It strongly lacks new sounds, in my opinion. Still great. The guitar riff that leads the song and the bass+drums are amazing. The bass in this album is the greatest bass an Oasis record ever featured by a mile. "I sing a song of love and you can teach me what you know of death", also, is one of my favourite lyrics from it. 8/10 5. She Taught Me How To Fly
The one I love... yes! I loved it on the trailer, I loved it on Jools and I love it even more here. It's the most melodic song on the record, and I feel I could either cry or dance to it and I'd be just fine. Love the chorus, although I find it to be a bit bloated – why throw so much stuff in there? – and really like the general arrangements. Its sound is quite good. I'd cut a good 20s though, or maybe stop repeating "the one I love" at each break the song has. But anyway. One of my personal favourites, and I love how It's A Beautiful World fades into it. 8.5/106. Be Careful What You Wish For
I'm in a strange relationship with this one. I loved the snippet and loved the live version, but there's something lacking here. It didn't have to be that long, especially because of its structure. I like everything about it, the riff is great, the bass is great, the vocals are great, but I can't see it standing the test of time very well, personally. I'm not a fan of where it's placed, too: it kinda slows the album down abruptly – although Noel did say he now thinks Interlude should come after She Taught..., and that makes much more sense when you try it. It's not a filler nor a standout. It's somewhat sexy. Noel Gallagher made a song to make out to? Well, well, well! 7/107. Black & White Sunshine
Hmm. The song I like the least. The verses are very generic and subpar, but the chorus and the build up to it (that lovely riff!) are quite good. Undeniably catchy, I'm afraid, just not necessarily good. Can't see myself coming back to it, as I'm already skipping it at times... 5/10 8. Interlude (Wednesday pt. 1)Nice little instrumental. It reminds me of Radiohead. I have a feeling they recorded a studio session and they added things to it, cause there's some funny tempo mistakes there (especially the bass and the drums), but it's alright, I guess. It's better when after She Taught Me How To Fly. 6/10 9. If Love Is The LawReally nice surprise. For some reason I wasn't expecting it to be that uplifting and fun. Very singalong-y, and the verses are some of the best Noel's come up with in a while. Again, I feel the chorus is a bit bloated, but that's probably due to bad mixing too. Sometimes I get a very strong Mumford & Sons vibe which I don't really like, but that's ok. Love love love the harmonica/mouth organ part. Thanks, Johnny! 7.5/1010. The Man Who Built The MoonEpic. Up there with Everybody's On The Run, The Right Stuff and While The Song Remains The Same. The dissonant arrangement with its menacing feelings it's one of my favourite things on the album. I do see why people say it's Wonderwall slowed down – you can easily sing "today is gonna be the day..." on the verses –, but it's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? Anyway. Great lyrics. Great instrumentation. Great vocals. My favourite. 9/1011. End Credits (Wednesday pt. 2)Really enjoying the way this ends the album. Once again the transition works pretty well. Very cinematic and even somewhat... pastoral? Sets a nice finishing tone, but at the same time makes me want to listen to the whole thing again. 7/1012. Dead In The WaterMagic. 9/10I count Dead In The Water because it's included on every single CD copy. It's a bonus track but it's there on the standard edition as well, so whatever. It's on the album. It's actually the closing track, and I think it works very well. The Escapist described it perfectly, as a post-credits scene. Despite some production issues – I think the general sound is not clear and bright enough, and it's really compressed as fuck –, I'm very happy with the way this album went. But I want more. I want Noel to be even bolder and scrap completely songs like B&W Sunshine. Give me Holy Mountain any time. What a year, eh? It doesn't matter if you prefer AYW over WBTM? or vice versa. We've got 2 very good Gallagher records in a short span of time. I'm really thankful. Happy days!
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Post by walterglass on Nov 25, 2017 13:47:55 GMT -5
I think I’m warming to it. Especially the first half.
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Post by spaneli on Nov 25, 2017 20:32:36 GMT -5
I've had about 10 different listens over the last few days, through a couple of speakers and headphones, at home, on the train, and walking. Some songs have greatly grown, while others haven't hit the mark. My thoughts below: Fort Knox: Noel really knows how to start up an album. I’ve tried not to listen to this song too much, so I didn’t wear it out before the album came out. The bass is still outstanding, especially the chromatic progression. The strings are fantastic. But the best moment is clearly when the female vocals sweep in. There’s just enough delay on her voice to bring out the shape of the melody. From 2:03 onwards is just bliss. 8/10Holy Mountain: I still love this song to death. It’s just a fun, bombastic, and beefy tune. Once again, fantastic bass track. The tin whistle is still the most infectious part of Holy Mountain, and the horns being blasted in my face makes me dance every single time. Catchy hooks and melodies burst from this song, it’s amazing that it’s barely being hung together. 8/10Keep on Reaching: This has to be busiest bass in the history of a Gallagher related song. The beginning kinda sounds like a mix of Marvin Gay/Curtis Mayfield/The Spinners. The Strings/horns/the backing vocalists capture that Motown sound so perfectly. My biggest issue with the song is the vocals. They’re pretty clear in the first verse, but past that they get drowned out too much. The poor mixing on the vocals causes the song to lose its drive and sound samey past the 1:20 mark. The song also goes on for maybe 10 seconds too long. 6/10It’s A Beautiful World: I don’t know if I like the lyrics for the verses, but the effect on Noel’s voice makes me like them. The syncopated drumming with that nice tremeloed guitar riff is one of the stronger and catchiest points of the album. I don’t mind the chorus as much others. For me, it’s a standard chorus. Not the best, but not bad by any means either. I think it’s perfectly fine. However, I do have three issues with IABW. 1. I really do believe that a soft guitar line should have come in before the French portion. It didn’t have to be a solo, but I’ve personally been playing my guitar over it with some delay, and a simple three note line would have done wonders for the mood. Secondly, I really would have liked another instrument to come in during the last chorus, just for more variation. Lastly, there’s a 4 beat persuasive hit at 3:49 that’s a bit annoying. Musically, I get the point but it’s a little too obvious in the mix. 7/10She Taught Me How to Fly: At first, I rated this a 6/10, but it’s literally been stuck in my head for the last few days. There are some great layers underneath it that reveal themselves on repeated listens. A recorded vocal in a controlled setting does a lot for the song, as opposed to the live version. Also, in a recorded setting I didn’t notice the repetitiveness of it. Initially, that was my biggest issue with the track. Here, with me being able to hear all of the layers and a bit of the variation in the instrumentation it makes the song a lot less repetitive. In the end, it’s an enjoyable little pop song. 8/10Be Careful What You Wish For: What I think I enjoy most from this album is how Noel is back to expounding on previous ideas rather than just blatantly recycling. The Come Together rip could have easily devolved into altar bowing. Instead, the progression the song takes sounds like something that Noel should have been doing on Be Here Now. Could anyone imagine if Noel had combined his love of the Beatles with advanced arrangements earlier? Noel’s produced a weird piece of music, jammed with strings, interesting vocal harmonies, and cool bass and guitar grooves. Honestly, I never thought I’d hear it. Also, the solo is just so sweet, effecting, and off-kilter. For that matter, the percussion on here is probably the most colorful of the entire album. Every listen of this song brings out something different. Some people think it's too long, but I love the patience of it. It's one of the two songs on the album that it feels like I'm only the person who's super into it 9/10Black & White Sunshine: I've rated this up a lot over the past few days, since it often pops in my head (originally 6/10). So far, I think I'm one of the only people who absolutely loves this song. I think Noel should have produced Lock all the Doors like this. It’s just faster and a little bit dirtier. The chorus is probably the strongest on the album. The verses sound a little bit too close to Do the Damage for my liking. Still, it’s a change of pace and euphoric rocker and I think better than Noel’s usual efforts at those kind of tracks, lately. 8/10Wednesday Part 1: For a second I thought it sounded like In a Black Out by Hamilton Leithauser+Rostam. I wonder if this song was ever anything else, like if it ever had lyrics (listening to a new interview from Noel, it appears that it never had lyrics). In any case, it really does capture that kind of credits/intermission music that you might get in a longer film. 8/10If Love is the Law: This really sounds a lot like Lord Huron. It hasn’t really grown on me. Maybe because it feels like a such a summer song, and it’s been cold in Chicago (at least up until the last couple of days), but I haven’t connected to it. It just sounds too pop for my taste, a little too kitsch, and a little too inoffensive. I think Marr’s Harmonica might be the portion I least like. I don’t know what I would have put in its place, but it sounds a little too ordinary. I think it’s the weakest song on the album 5/10 The Man on the Moon: I’ve listened a few times, and I’ve been racking my brain on what it sounds like it. But I noticed that the riff bears a strong resemblance to Come on Outside. But man, the heaviness of this song, and the effect in the background with the Gregorian choir. Like, wow. I think this might be Noel’s best song of his solo career. This is a perfect example of Noel’s great ear with melody being combined with a smart producer with vision. I don’t think I’ve ever rated a song this high in one of these reviews, but “You and I, the Spider and the Fly, will meet where the shadows fall.” 10/10Wednesday Part 2: This one sounds really Radiohead-ish, I’ve been trying to think of which track, but nothing is coming to mind. At first, I was disappointed on first listen, but with each successive listen, I think it tidies things up well and perfectly leads into DITW. However, I still wish that the proper tracklisting didn’t end on an instrumental. 7/10 Dead in the Water: I think this is probably Noel’s most personal track since SOTSOG. The lyrics are utterly beautiful, and they really sound like something Noel would have written back during Definitely Maybe and Morning Glory (the references to not having money). It really reminds me of something from Springsteen’s Nebraska. I don’t know if I want it to be fully produced, it just sounds perfect the way it is. A lot of the appeal to something like Nebraska is the fact that it was never polished or rerecorded from the demos that were released. I feel the same with this. It also kinda feels like when you see a biopic of a famous artist and there’s always a scene where they sit down and magically write the song in a minute, and you think, that never happens. 9/10God Help Us All: The more I listen to this song, the more I despise it. This album should end with Dead in the Water, I’m glad it does for most of the world. This falls more under the Noel could write this in his sleep category than Dead in the Water. 3/10Looking back on the album, it reminds me a bit of McCartney I. In the sense that that album was about the spirit, about McCartney really finding himself after the Beatles, about the recording process, and featured a lot of him taking tiny ideas and expanding them. A lot of McCartney I sounds like him having fun, some of it kitsch and some of it brilliant. A lot of that album is also peering into McCartney's process and hearing him build those songs. Who Built the Moon is all of that. My biggest negatives for the album, are that some of the lyrics just needed more polishing. Also, the placement of the instrumental tracks (which should be spaced further apart). I've been trying to think about where I rank this among Noel's solo albums, and my first impression is that I'd have to listen back to the other solo albums. However, I do know that this is Noel pushing himself the most. Some say that the melodies have suffered through this process. Quite frankly, I just don't hear that. This album is packed with melodies. It's packed with melodies, textures, colors, and varied rhythms. I think much of what is happening on here are some of Noel's most patient and mature melodic concepts in a while. I also don't get the "fall out of the sky" narrative. It's a propaganda piece that Noel's been pushing for ages. Songs come in varied states, some on the road, some in the studio, some under pressure, and some sitting in front of your television. Writing and perfecting a song is hard work. All songs fall out of the sky, and all songs have to be worked on to be perfected. I really love this album. I love that Noel is really starting to change his musical perceptions. Because in the end, the best artists don't have a select style (that's why the fall out of the sky stuff is pure none sense). Some of the best and most affecting pieces of music start out with, "What haven't I done?" I hope Noel is starting to realize that. Quite honestly, if Noel had been more open about how he writes, then maybe that would have broken him out of his songwriting rut al la Heathen Chemistry, a lot sooner. A change in medium can spur great work, rarely does it inhibit great work. I hope that Noel carries this through and we get a few albums like this. For me, Who Built the Moon is a 7.5/10 album, with the possibility of being an 8/10.
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Post by scorpiosonic on Nov 25, 2017 21:20:03 GMT -5
What happened to the song that Noel said he sung in the highest register ever and was almost uncomfortable to sing. Anyone?
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Post by Manualex on Nov 25, 2017 21:27:46 GMT -5
What happened to the song that Noel said he sung in the highest register ever and was almost uncomfortable to sing. Anyone? That would be Keep on Reaching, he will perform it live a few steps lower
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Post by scorpiosonic on Nov 25, 2017 21:34:03 GMT -5
1. Fort Knox 7.5/10 loved the opening but then the kanye esque influence is forced, a classic noel guitar solo would've been orgasmic. still great
2. Holy Mountain 4/10 im sure this is fun to sing but not rly to listen to.
3. Keep On Reaching 6.5 good verse, avg chorus... pretty empty
4. It's A Beautiful World 8.5/10 this song has a vibe of its own
5. She Taught Me How To Fly 6.5, i know its meant to be sweet but for some reason sounds more childish.
6. Be Careful What You Wish For 8/10 great song, doesnt try too hard, effortlessly cool. probably noels coolest moment on the album
7. Black & White Sunshine 6.5, just falls short, lyrics and melody have major potential but just doesnt excite you like it should, new production/liam needed
8. Interlude (Wednesday pt. 1) ffs not these again
9. If Love Is The Law 8/10, amazing verse the lyrics vibe everything is so unique and positive, chorus is a bit lame, shouty
10. The Man Who Built The Moon 7.5/10, feels overrated to me, its alright, cool lyrics nicely constructed spacey feel, but really lacking a big chorus.
11. End Credits (Wednesday pt. 2) ffs
12. Dead In The Water 9/10...beautiful and archaic. truly, the highlight
Overall, 7.5/10 - a well managed if unwelcomed change from Noel - despite the total lack of any singles. A listenable new sound he'll build on - work on the vocals. Songs of note for me are Dead in the water, Beautiful World. Honourable mentions to the openings of Fort Knox, Love is the Law and Be Careful What u Wish for
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Post by scorpiosonic on Nov 25, 2017 21:35:55 GMT -5
What happened to the song that Noel said he sung in the highest register ever and was almost uncomfortable to sing. Anyone? That would be Keep on Reaching, he will perform it live a few steps lower Thanks man. Funny, that didn't strike me as super high. I guess i was expecting something like importance of being idle. Isn't that a much higher register? Or does it not count if it's all falsetto
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Post by sfsorrow on Nov 25, 2017 21:36:39 GMT -5
Two things I'd be curious to hear other people's opinions of here.
1st - with Keep on Reaching, the punchy horn parts are, I think, supposed to be emulating the horns from Sly & The Family Stone's I Want to Take You Higher but every time I hear them I think about The Who's My Wife, which kind of goes against the whole R&B thing they were going for. But I suppose Noel wouldn't mind that reference.
2nd - I know it's divisive but for me the album highlight is If Love Is The Law. But it makes me think that eventually Noel's gonna have to eat crow after years and years of slagging off The Beach Boys. I never quite understood his venom about them, except the fact that in the 80s and 90s it became hip to hate The Beach Boys, probably because of "Kokomo" and Full House.
But throughout the 2000s, Noel's taste gradually expanded to areas where it would have made sense to become interested in The Beach Boys. I mean there were a few years there in the 2005-era where he was obsessed with The Left Banke. I mean, seriously, The Left Banke are great but if you have heard that Walk Away Renee/Pretty Ballerina album, it's not that far a leap away from what The Beach Boys had just done a few months earlier with Pet Sounds. Now in the past few years he is talking about what a genuis Phil Spector is. And I guess what I'm saying is, it almost seems unfathomable that a person can love The Beatles, Phil Spector, and The Left Banke but not The Beach Boys.
Then he puts together a music list in the last year or so that contained Good Vibrations (a concession he always made about the band) and then he makes If Love is the Law which, to me, is pretty close to the Pet Sounds sound. So I'd like to know the deal here. Does Noel still think The Beach Boys are one of the most overrated bands who only got so successful because their name was close to The Beatles in record shops? Or has he come around but is unwilling to admit it given everything he has said about them in the past?
And while we're at it, has anybody given him a copy of Odessey and Oracle yet?
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Post by Manualex on Nov 25, 2017 21:54:11 GMT -5
That would be Keep on Reaching, he will perform it live a few steps lower Thanks man. Funny, that didn't strike me as super high. I guess i was expecting something like importance of being idle. Isn't that a much higher register? Or does it not count if it's all falsetto I think what makes it more hard to do is that is more consistently on the higher register for Noel, in DoYaM and Importance there's the falsetto at the start of the phrazes but it goes down after a Word or two. Add also some of good ol' Noel Gallagher exagerating and presto😂😅
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Post by dhamon on Nov 25, 2017 23:22:20 GMT -5
Fort Knox - 8.5/10 Holy Mountain - 9/10 Keep On Reaching - 8/10 It’s A Beautiful World - 8.5/10 She Taught Me How to Fly - 10/10 Be Careful What You Wish For - 8.5/10 Black & White Sunshine - 8/10 If Love Is the Law - 8/10 The Man Who Built the Moon - 9/10 Dead In the Water - 10/10 God Help Us All - 7/10
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 26, 2017 3:18:47 GMT -5
That would be Keep on Reaching, he will perform it live a few steps lower Thanks man. Funny, that didn't strike me as super high. I guess i was expecting something like importance of being idle. Isn't that a much higher register? Or does it not count if it's all falsetto I was expecting something Minnie Riperton like.
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Post by glider on Nov 26, 2017 3:24:36 GMT -5
This album is getting much better to me. Right now excluding Dead in the Water 9/12 tracks are either a B+ or higher on my scale.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 26, 2017 3:24:45 GMT -5
Two things I'd be curious to hear other people's opinions of here. 1st - with Keep on Reaching, the punchy horn parts are, I think, supposed to be emulating the horns from Sly & The Family Stone's I Want to Take You Higher but every time I hear them I think about The Who's My Wife, which kind of goes against the whole R&B thing they were going for. But I suppose Noel wouldn't mind that reference. 2nd - I know it's divisive but for me the album highlight is If Love Is The Law. But it makes me think that eventually Noel's gonna have to eat crow after years and years of slagging off The Beach Boys. I never quite understood his venom about them, except the fact that in the 80s and 90s it became hip to hate The Beach Boys, probably because of "Kokomo" and Full House. But throughout the 2000s, Noel's taste gradually expanded to areas where it would have made sense to become interested in The Beach Boys. I mean there were a few years there in the 2005-era where he was obsessed with The Left Banke. I mean, seriously, The Left Banke are great but if you have heard that Walk Away Renee/Pretty Ballerina album, it's not that far a leap away from what The Beach Boys had just done a few months earlier with Pet Sounds. Now in the past few years he is talking about what a genuis Phil Spector is. And I guess what I'm saying is, it almost seems unfathomable that a person can love The Beatles, Phil Spector, and The Left Banke but not The Beach Boys. Then he puts together a music list in the last year or so that contained Good Vibrations (a concession he always made about the band) and then he makes If Love is the Law which, to me, is pretty close to the Pet Sounds sound. So I'd like to know the deal here. Does Noel still think The Beach Boys are one of the most overrated bands who only got so successful because their name was close to The Beatles in record shops? Or has he come around but is unwilling to admit it given everything he has said about them in the past? And while we're at it, has anybody given him a copy of Odessey and Oracle yet? Obviously I'm biased, as the Beach Boys are my second favourite band, but I've always been very surprised at the fact he doesn't like them. Pet Sounds is an absolute masterpiece and I would have thought he would like that. They've also made a bunch of other great albums. Oh well. I don't think ILITL sounds anything like the Beach Boys though. Odessey and Oracle is another fantastic album. Wonder if he ever heard it and what he thinks of it.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Nov 26, 2017 3:37:25 GMT -5
Let's put things into perspective first: I love Chasing Yesterday. It's my favourite post-Oasis record, and I'm glad I was actually here, in this very forum, to live and enjoy the hype to it. It's not a masterpiece, but I find it to be much better than NGHFB's debut and both Beady Eye efforts. It's got a nice colour pallet, its high moments are extremely high and it flows very well in my opinion. I love how tracks fade into each other and some of the transitions are unbelievably amazing. But as soon as we knew the follow-up was already in the making I got my excitement sky high. David Holmes? Bold, uptempo, fun record? Songs being created in the studio? What a life! Who Built The Moon?, then, was the most hyped I've ever been to a Gallagher-related project. And I'm not let down by what Noel's achieved at all, but I do have some criticisms. The lack of dynamics, the really weird mixing at places, the somewhat lazy lyrics... I'll try to get into detail as I write. In a way, it reminds me of SOTSOG: it is my favourite Oasis record and I never get tired of it, but its flaws are really specific and noticeable and prevents it of being an absolutely fantastic album. I find Who Built The Moon?, however, to be better than SOTSOG in general. It has better songs and the production is more interesting. I'm happy Noel stepped out of the comfort zone, but to quote the man himself: I want more!!!I thought Chasing Yesterday was a transition album. Now I have a feeling Who Built The Moon? is actually the transition record, and Chasing Yesterday was just the end of an era. The old Noel Gallagher, I'm afraid, can't come to the phone right now. I give Who Built The Moon?, after several listens, a 8/10. 1. Fort KnoxThe thing I love the most about this is I feel it can be the opening track to a shitload of stuff. It could kickoff the World Cup or a Netflix indie movie, and it'd fit just right. I don't get the "I'll never listen to this, it's an instrumental" vibe. I literally don't get it. One of my favourites since the trailer came out. I think it really could use a little bit more of diverse arrangement, especially at the first half, and be less compressed. It kinda lacks something. That's a feeling I got a lot listening to this record. But, hey, I gotta get myself together! 8/102. Holy Mountain
Come on, now! This is the most uplifting track Noel's made since the late 90s. I don't mind the dirty, crushed sound here. It's absolutely great as it is. Even the small digital distortion serves the song well. You can tell they went for it. I remember that, when it came out, I must've listened to it about 15 times in a row. Never got tired of it. Packs me with a very unique energy. The ending could have less of she fell!, she fell! and more of other stuff, but that'll do. 8.5/103. Keep On ReachingI've been suffering with anxiety for about five years now. It's a real roller coaster and random things trigger it for no apparent reason. This song, sadly, happens to be one of this things. I'm not sure if it's the beat, the refrain, the weeeeeeird mix at times (there's this big big gap on the chorus where the snare should've been and it really bothers me)... I don't know. It's not bad. I just don't find it to be very good either. A nice filler. It's very different for Noel, though, and kudos for him for doing it. Reminds me of Michael Jackson, and that's hardly a bad thing. 6.5/10
4. It's A Beautiful World
Blissful. I love how it builds and builds and builds and builds but manages to fit in a happy-sad chorus. The general atmosphere of the song is great, and Charlotte's spoken word is a lovely chaos. Really like the production here, although I'd definitely add more arrangement to the verses, and it doesn't necessarily have to be big. Subtle synths, ethereal guitars, whatever. It strongly lacks new sounds, in my opinion. Still great. The guitar riff that leads the song and the bass+drums are amazing. The bass in this album is the greatest bass an Oasis record ever featured by a mile. "I sing a song of love and you can teach me what you know of death", also, is one of my favourite lyrics from it. 8/10 5. She Taught Me How To Fly
The one I love... yes! I loved it on the trailer, I loved it on Jools and I love it even more here. It's the most melodic song on the record, and I feel I could either cry or dance to it and I'd be just fine. Love the chorus, although I find it to be a bit bloated – why throw so much stuff in there? – and really like the general arrangements. Its sound is quite good. I'd cut a good 20s though, or maybe stop repeating "the one I love" at each break the song has. But anyway. One of my personal favourites, and I love how It's A Beautiful World fades into it. 8.5/106. Be Careful What You Wish For
I'm in a strange relationship with this one. I loved the snippet and loved the live version, but there's something lacking here. It didn't have to be that long, especially because of its structure. I like everything about it, the riff is great, the bass is great, the vocals are great, but I can't see it standing the test of time very well, personally. I'm not a fan of where it's placed, too: it kinda slows the album down abruptly – although Noel did say he now thinks Interlude should come after She Taught..., and that makes much more sense when you try it. It's not a filler nor a standout. It's somewhat sexy. Noel Gallagher made a song to make out to? Well, well, well! 7/107. Black & White Sunshine
Hmm. The song I like the least. The verses are very generic and subpar, but the chorus and the build up to it (that lovely riff!) are quite good. Undeniably catchy, I'm afraid, just not necessarily good. Can't see myself coming back to it, as I'm already skipping it at times... 5/10 8. Interlude (Wednesday pt. 1)Nice little instrumental. It reminds me of Radiohead. I have a feeling they recorded a studio session and they added things to it, cause there's some funny tempo mistakes there (especially the bass and the drums), but it's alright, I guess. It's better when after She Taught Me How To Fly. 6/10 9. If Love Is The LawReally nice surprise. For some reason I wasn't expecting it to be that uplifting and fun. Very singalong-y, and the verses are some of the best Noel's come up with in a while. Again, I feel the chorus is a bit bloated, but that's probably due to bad mixing too. Sometimes I get a very strong Mumford & Sons vibe which I don't really like, but that's ok. Love love love the harmonica/mouth organ part. Thanks, Johnny! 7.5/1010. The Man Who Built The MoonEpic. Up there with Everybody's On The Run, The Right Stuff and While The Song Remains The Same. The dissonant arrangement with its menacing feelings it's one of my favourite things on the album. I do see why people say it's Wonderwall slowed down – you can easily sing "today is gonna be the day..." on the verses –, but it's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? Anyway. Great lyrics. Great instrumentation. Great vocals. My favourite. 9/1011. End Credits (Wednesday pt. 2)Really enjoying the way this ends the album. Once again the transition works pretty well. Very cinematic and even somewhat... pastoral? Sets a nice finishing tone, but at the same time makes me want to listen to the whole thing again. 7/1012. Dead In The WaterMagic. 9/10I count Dead In The Water because it's included on every single CD copy. It's a bonus track but it's there on the standard edition as well, so whatever. It's on the album. It's actually the closing track, and I think it works very well. The Escapist described it perfectly, as a post-credits scene. Despite some production issues – I think the general sound is not clear and bright enough, and it's really compressed as fuck –, I'm very happy with the way this album went. But I want more. I want Noel to be even bolder and scrap completely songs like B&W Sunshine. Give me Holy Mountain any time. What a year, eh? It doesn't matter if you prefer AYW over WBTM? or vice versa. We've got 2 very good Gallagher records in a short span of time. I'm really thankful. Happy days! I was with you right up to the point you gave Holy Mountain an 8.5.
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Post by discworld on Nov 26, 2017 4:41:24 GMT -5
Two things I'd be curious to hear other people's opinions of here. 1st - with Keep on Reaching, the punchy horn parts are, I think, supposed to be emulating the horns from Sly & The Family Stone's I Want to Take You Higher but every time I hear them I think about The Who's My Wife, which kind of goes against the whole R&B thing they were going for. But I suppose Noel wouldn't mind that reference. 2nd - I know it's divisive but for me the album highlight is If Love Is The Law. But it makes me think that eventually Noel's gonna have to eat crow after years and years of slagging off The Beach Boys. I never quite understood his venom about them, except the fact that in the 80s and 90s it became hip to hate The Beach Boys, probably because of "Kokomo" and Full House. But throughout the 2000s, Noel's taste gradually expanded to areas where it would have made sense to become interested in The Beach Boys. I mean there were a few years there in the 2005-era where he was obsessed with The Left Banke. I mean, seriously, The Left Banke are great but if you have heard that Walk Away Renee/Pretty Ballerina album, it's not that far a leap away from what The Beach Boys had just done a few months earlier with Pet Sounds. Now in the past few years he is talking about what a genuis Phil Spector is. And I guess what I'm saying is, it almost seems unfathomable that a person can love The Beatles, Phil Spector, and The Left Banke but not The Beach Boys. Then he puts together a music list in the last year or so that contained Good Vibrations (a concession he always made about the band) and then he makes If Love is the Law which, to me, is pretty close to the Pet Sounds sound. So I'd like to know the deal here. Does Noel still think The Beach Boys are one of the most overrated bands who only got so successful because their name was close to The Beatles in record shops? Or has he come around but is unwilling to admit it given everything he has said about them in the past? And while we're at it, has anybody given him a copy of Odessey and Oracle yet? Obviously I'm biased, as the Beach Boys are my second favourite band, but I've always been very surprised at the fact he doesn't like them. Pet Sounds is an absolute masterpiece and I would have thought he would like that. They've also made a bunch of other great albums. Oh well. I don't think ILITL sounds anything like the Beach Boys though. Odessey and Oracle is another fantastic album. Wonder if he ever heard it and what he thinks of it.
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Nov 26, 2017 4:44:05 GMT -5
Obviously I'm biased, as the Beach Boys are my second favourite band, but I've always been very surprised at the fact he doesn't like them. Pet Sounds is an absolute masterpiece and I would have thought he would like that. They've also made a bunch of other great albums. Oh well. I don't think ILITL sounds anything like the Beach Boys though. Odessey and Oracle is another fantastic album. Wonder if he ever heard it and what he thinks of it. Good call. Apparently that's one of Neil Young's favourite albums. Has a couple of awful songs though (Student Demonstration Time and the Feet one)
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Post by trippertrasher on Nov 26, 2017 5:06:43 GMT -5
So having listened to the album about 10 times this weekend I thought I’d see if it’s grown on me. A few of the tracks have (mwbtm, baws) and I still enjoy ilitl and fk. So for me 2 good songs (7/10) 1 good/very good song (8/10) and a decent instrumental opener (8/10). The rest isn’t doing it for me, even the apparent sound check that is ditw which sounds like a 97-2000 acoustic b-side ( which it is in a sense I guess). I really want to like it more but I don’t. I’m now worried for the future of nghfb tbh. Just my opinion/‘impression’ so far and glad others are liking it more
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Post by modxxii on Nov 26, 2017 5:11:49 GMT -5
I wrote I didn't like the album days ago.
I have to admit it: it has been grown on me A LOT. I still don't like HM and his voice in some tunes but the songs are surely growers. Good album in the end, not his best but good.
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Post by eva on Nov 26, 2017 7:04:18 GMT -5
just remembered I forgot to watch the lyric videos. those are pretty cool
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 26, 2017 8:02:05 GMT -5
Both Gallaghers fucked up the pre-album singles in my opinion. Imagine how unreal the hype would have been if it was:
AS YOU WERE: Wall of Glass / Paper Crown / Bold WHO BUILT THE MOON?: The Man Who Built the Moon / Beautiful World / She Taught Me How to Fly
It would have been like 1997 all over again.
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Post by sfsorrow on Nov 26, 2017 11:18:53 GMT -5
Two things I'd be curious to hear other people's opinions of here. 1st - with Keep on Reaching, the punchy horn parts are, I think, supposed to be emulating the horns from Sly & The Family Stone's I Want to Take You Higher but every time I hear them I think about The Who's My Wife, which kind of goes against the whole R&B thing they were going for. But I suppose Noel wouldn't mind that reference. 2nd - I know it's divisive but for me the album highlight is If Love Is The Law. But it makes me think that eventually Noel's gonna have to eat crow after years and years of slagging off The Beach Boys. I never quite understood his venom about them, except the fact that in the 80s and 90s it became hip to hate The Beach Boys, probably because of "Kokomo" and Full House. But throughout the 2000s, Noel's taste gradually expanded to areas where it would have made sense to become interested in The Beach Boys. I mean there were a few years there in the 2005-era where he was obsessed with The Left Banke. I mean, seriously, The Left Banke are great but if you have heard that Walk Away Renee/Pretty Ballerina album, it's not that far a leap away from what The Beach Boys had just done a few months earlier with Pet Sounds. Now in the past few years he is talking about what a genuis Phil Spector is. And I guess what I'm saying is, it almost seems unfathomable that a person can love The Beatles, Phil Spector, and The Left Banke but not The Beach Boys. Then he puts together a music list in the last year or so that contained Good Vibrations (a concession he always made about the band) and then he makes If Love is the Law which, to me, is pretty close to the Pet Sounds sound. So I'd like to know the deal here. Does Noel still think The Beach Boys are one of the most overrated bands who only got so successful because their name was close to The Beatles in record shops? Or has he come around but is unwilling to admit it given everything he has said about them in the past? And while we're at it, has anybody given him a copy of Odessey and Oracle yet? Obviously I'm biased, as the Beach Boys are my second favourite band, but I've always been very surprised at the fact he doesn't like them. Pet Sounds is an absolute masterpiece and I would have thought he would like that. They've also made a bunch of other great albums. Oh well. I don't think ILITL sounds anything like the Beach Boys though. Odessey and Oracle is another fantastic album. Wonder if he ever heard it and what he thinks of it. I suppose I hear Pet Sounds in the tone of ILITL more than anything else. The prominent sleigh bells (Noel recently said he hasn't had an album without them but I've never heard them as the driving force like they are here), the timpani, the soaring chorus; there are huge differences of course - the complex 4 to 5 part harmonies aren't here and if there's going to be a prominent harmonica on Pet Sounds it would be of the bass variety. And Noel and Brian's melodies are just inherently different. But I do see it striking the Pet Sounds sound in general. Noel has been calling it Phil Spector-inspired and I suppose that's it, really. While the album was inspired by Rubber Soul, the Pet Sounds production was largely derived from Spector (massively improving on it in my view, though I do love Spector's work). A few years ago, Paul Weller named Odessay and Oracle among his favourite albums. It would hard to believe, then, that Noel hasn't encountered it at some point but if he has it sure doesn't seem like it's made an impression on him because he's never talked about it. Personally, I wouldn't name check The David over The Zombies, but whatever.
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Post by endorstoi on Nov 26, 2017 11:21:38 GMT -5
Just based on my first listen: I feel like this isn't the best album Noel could have made, especially lyrics-wise, but hopefully he continues down this path. The production is solid for the most part, Holmes did a great job on everything but Noel's vocals. Love the twinkling synths in Its a Beautiful World, but the filter on Noel's voice is terrible.
More Beautiful Worlds and She Taught Me How To Flys and less Black and White Sunshines (great slide guitar, but poor man's Marr riff) and I'd be very happy. Can't dig Holy Mountain at all, but I hope Noel continues to incorporate samples for hooks and riffs. Great idea, bad execution there.
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Post by Bonehead's Barber on Nov 26, 2017 12:01:48 GMT -5
Love the album. It's great. It's different but it's not different for the sake of it. Hope he works with David again
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Post by The Escapist on Nov 26, 2017 12:02:05 GMT -5
Which is the better David Holmes song: I Heard Wonders or She Taught Me How to Fly?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Nov 26, 2017 12:26:59 GMT -5
Which is the better David Holmes song: I Heard Wonders or She Taught Me How to Fly? That one. Plus his singing is great, something he doesn't really ever do.
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