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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 11:06:22 GMT -5
I’m not sure but there are a lot of people out there who have them. Do you suspect all of them will murder someone with these weapons? You can’t just violate people’s rights (insert “dumb American response here”( No, but one of them could and even that is too much. Of course the gun problem has gone too far already; too many guns in circulation. But it wouldn't harm anyone if they made a change and actually tried to improve the situation. It would be good if only licensed firing ranges had the rights to own them and the people who want to shoot with them could go there. It's a scary thought that pretty much everyone could own an assault rifle. And trust me; I know what kind of damage they can do. Carrying one for almost 6 months taught me a thing or two. But there are also a large amount of people who are responsible with these weapons. Should they be punished as well? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 21, 2018 11:07:52 GMT -5
My answer to that has been covered by the two susequent posters. I don't think civilians should have weapons created for the military and capable of mass murder. Can you give me a counter argument that overides that given that mass murders are occuring and it isn't a theoretical point. Do you not think the second has less meaning in a modern western society given when and why it was created in the first place? You still haven't given me your ideas for possible solutions to this problem? I’m not sure what to do, that’s why I’m asking questions. The biggest failiure that would bring even more shame on the american lawmakers would be to do nothing, to sit on hands while more school children die. Tighter control may not work but why isn't it worth a try? Why, given the devestating affect these shootings are having on young people and there families would it not be worth giving it a chance? Is there an argument against trying to do something good versus doing absolutely nothing? It can always be repealed (although the second can't apparently) |
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Post by funhouse on May 21, 2018 11:09:06 GMT -5
But what makes you think gun regulations would have such a small impact that they're basically unnecessary? From all of the other types of things we’ve tried to regulate that didn’t work (drugs, alcohol, etc) Those are bans, which is a different thing from regulation. And apart from that I don't really get the comparison. |
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Post by funhouse on May 21, 2018 11:11:53 GMT -5
No, but one of them could and even that is too much. Of course the gun problem has gone too far already; too many guns in circulation. But it wouldn't harm anyone if they made a change and actually tried to improve the situation. It would be good if only licensed firing ranges had the rights to own them and the people who want to shoot with them could go there. It's a scary thought that pretty much everyone could own an assault rifle. And trust me; I know what kind of damage they can do. Carrying one for almost 6 months taught me a thing or two. But there are also a large amount of people who are responsible with these weapons. Should they be punished as well? I don't know how you could call that a punishment. There are thousands of other types of guns at your disposal, why would you choose a weapon made for the military? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 21, 2018 11:12:29 GMT -5
No, but one of them could and even that is too much. Of course the gun problem has gone too far already; too many guns in circulation. But it wouldn't harm anyone if they made a change and actually tried to improve the situation. It would be good if only licensed firing ranges had the rights to own them and the people who want to shoot with them could go there. It's a scary thought that pretty much everyone could own an assault rifle. And trust me; I know what kind of damage they can do. Carrying one for almost 6 months taught me a thing or two. But there are also a large amount of people who are responsible with these weapons. Should they be punished as well? At school I learnt that a few idiots in class could ruin it for everyone else and limit others freedoms based on their behaviour. It wasn't fair but you have to suck it up. I would happily do it if I thougt more children would reach adulthood. |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on May 21, 2018 11:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by mancraider on May 21, 2018 11:20:23 GMT -5
I just can't believe it's okay to own an assault rifle in the US like it's nothing. When I was in the army (Finland) we were told that if you somehow lose your gun you could possibly face a prison sentence and if no one finds the gun they will have the right to search your house in the future whenever they want. That's how strict we are with guns here. I'm also ex military (UK) and carried automatic assault rifles regularly. I can't think of any possible situation in which it would be necessary to use one in civilian life. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 11:26:50 GMT -5
I just can't believe it's okay to own an assault rifle in the US like it's nothing. When I was in the army (Finland) we were told that if you somehow lose your gun you could possibly face a prison sentence and if no one finds the gun they will have the right to search your house in the future whenever they want. That's how strict we are with guns here. I'm also ex military (UK) and carried automatic assault rifles regularly. I can't think of any possible situation in which it would be necessary to use one in civilian life. Why do you think a lot of normal citizens would want to own them? |
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Post by funhouse on May 21, 2018 11:43:40 GMT -5
I'm also ex military (UK) and carried automatic assault rifles regularly. I can't think of any possible situation in which it would be necessary to use one in civilian life. Why do you think a lot of normal citizens would want to own them? Probably because it makes them feel more secure. But there is no rational reason that anyone should feel any less secure with "just" an ordinary gun that works perfectly well. |
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Post by mancraider on May 21, 2018 12:17:50 GMT -5
I'm also ex military (UK) and carried automatic assault rifles regularly. I can't think of any possible situation in which it would be necessary to use one in civilian life. Why do you think a lot of normal citizens would want to own them? why? Because they are sad inadequate people who need a crutch to support their fragile ego. There are no real reason for it to be necessary. But they do and kids get hold of them and kill other children. Of course they might still kill anyway but with a less powerful weapon their effectiveness would be reduced and less would die. |
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Post by fiordiligi on May 21, 2018 12:30:52 GMT -5
I'm also ex military (UK) and carried automatic assault rifles regularly. I can't think of any possible situation in which it would be necessary to use one in civilian life. Why do you think a lot of normal citizens would want to own them? Because of your culture and history, the USA were made by pioneers conquering lands in the West, you had cowboys and Indians; how many films have you made with the same stereotypical lonely brave American hero? From an outsider’s perspective, it looks like the roots of the problem derive from it, you still act and think with the mentality of cowboys/pioneers who need guns to defend their lands. At the end, we are all the product of our cultures. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 14:08:04 GMT -5
Gun control debates are a riot.
There are many things that kill young people more per year than guns... car accidents account for like ~9 deaths per day. Drug overdoses account for ~2 per day in the US... and that's just 15-19 year olds. Youth 19 yrs and younger... ~5 per day die from cancer.
I'm fine if people want to pass more restrictive gun regulations, but there are SOOOOO many other things that we should be investing our time and energy into solving. I get it, those other cases don't get the headlines when they happen daily.
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Post by crisppacket on May 21, 2018 14:30:17 GMT -5
Gun control debates are a riot. There are many things that kill young people more per year than guns... car accidents account for like ~9 deaths per day. Drug overdoses account for ~2 per day in the US... and that's just 15-19 year olds. Youth 19 yrs and younger... ~5 per day die from cancer. I'm fine if people want to pass more restrictive gun regulations, but there are SOOOOO many other things that we should be investing our time and energy into solving. I get it, those other cases don't get the headlines when they happen daily. People choose to take drugs, so they themself are responsible for taking the risk of dying. It isn’t a choice to get shot in school. Not sure what your point is with cancer, you can’t control who dies from that and who doesn’t, but you can control whether kids die in schools or not with gun control. |
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Post by funhouse on May 21, 2018 14:38:35 GMT -5
Gun control debates are a riot. There are many things that kill young people more per year than guns... car accidents account for like ~9 deaths per day. Drug overdoses account for ~2 per day in the US... and that's just 15-19 year olds. Youth 19 yrs and younger... ~5 per day die from cancer. I'm fine if people want to pass more restrictive gun regulations, but there are SOOOOO many other things that we should be investing our time and energy into solving. I get it, those other cases don't get the headlines when they happen daily. There are things being done about cancer. There are things being done to prevent car accidents(seat belts, speed limits). Basically nothing is being done about gun violence. The drug problem is not being dealt with correctly either, and it definitely deserves more headlines. But why should that mean that people should talk less about the gun issue? I don't understand that argument at all. |
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Post by mancraider on May 21, 2018 15:55:36 GMT -5
Gun control debates are a riot. There are many things that kill young people more per year than guns... car accidents account for like ~9 deaths per day. Drug overdoses account for ~2 per day in the US... and that's just 15-19 year olds. Youth 19 yrs and younger... ~5 per day die from cancer. I'm fine if people want to pass more restrictive gun regulations, but there are SOOOOO many other things that we should be investing our time and energy into solving. I get it, those other cases don't get the headlines when they happen daily. how many people use cars on a daily basis against fire guns? Also cars are known to be dangerous and are highly regulated. You need a license to drive one subject to conditions and restrictions such as age, health condition (physical and mental) there is a whole national infrastructure (road network) designed for there safe use covered by a detailed rulebook (highway code) if guns were regulated anywhere near as much as motor vehicles then there would be no debate to have. Illegal drugs are already er, illegal so have no relevance to the gun argument. Legal drugs are very tightly controlled and regulated. Is your argument that guns aren't that bad because other things kill people too? |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on May 21, 2018 16:12:19 GMT -5
The U.S. has a bad rep currently, as it should, with an idiot as president and leader of the free world, but the United States isn't that bad, overall.....President of the United States shouldn't be an entry level position.....
I've only seen a real gun shot three times in my life and every time it was really weird.....very uncomfortable; I've said and done the craziest things in my life and I'm still alive....
Having said that, every other country has strict gun laws and don't have mass shooting, that's not coincidence.....
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Post by funhouse on May 21, 2018 16:25:09 GMT -5
The U.S. has a bad rep currently, as it should, with an idiot as president and leader of the free world, but the United States isn't that bad, overall.....President of the United States shouldn't be an entry level position..... I've only seen a real gun shot three times in my life and every time it was really weird.....very uncomfortable; I've said and done the craziest things in my life and I'm still alive.... Having said that, every other country has strict gun laws and don't have mass shooting, that's not coincidence..... Thanks, I guess it says a lot about the importance of an issue when this guy gets all serious instead of writing his usual irrelevant nonsense or posting boring cat photos. Thanks. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 16:25:47 GMT -5
Gun control debates are a riot. There are many things that kill young people more per year than guns... car accidents account for like ~9 deaths per day. Drug overdoses account for ~2 per day in the US... and that's just 15-19 year olds. Youth 19 yrs and younger... ~5 per day die from cancer. I'm fine if people want to pass more restrictive gun regulations, but there are SOOOOO many other things that we should be investing our time and energy into solving. I get it, those other cases don't get the headlines when they happen daily. People choose to take drugs, so they themself are responsible for taking the risk of dying. It isn’t a choice to get shot in school. Not sure what your point is with cancer, you can’t control who dies from that and who doesn’t, but you can control whether kids die in schools or not with gun control. And with drugs the actual criminalisation is the biggest factor why people get into trouble with them and in the worst case die. In the meanwhile doctors hand "legal drugs" to everyone which leads to addiction and when they can't get legal drugs anymore they get into heroin or other illegal stuff and fuck up their life. And since they are bought off the streets they are usually unclean which leads to accidental deaths. Those who have problems with drugs should be offered help instead of punishment. Certain drugs can be done without any problems, especially if you're smart with them, but them being illegal means people won't have enough safety info, they are usually unclean and using them is always a criminal activity. But yeah drugs are not comparable to guns in any way. |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on May 21, 2018 16:33:04 GMT -5
The U.S. has a bad rep currently, as it should, with an idiot as president and leader of the free world, but the United States isn't that bad, overall.....President of the United States shouldn't be an entry level position..... I've only seen a real gun shot three times in my life and every time it was really weird.....very uncomfortable; I've said and done the craziest things in my life and I'm still alive.... Having said that, every other country has strict gun laws and don't have mass shooting, that's not coincidence..... Thanks, I guess it says a lot about the importance of an issue when this guy gets all serious instead of writing his usual irrelevant nonsense or posting boring cat photos. Thanks.  |
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Post by funhouse on May 21, 2018 16:41:45 GMT -5
I guess it says a lot about the importance of an issue when this guy gets all serious instead of writing his usual irrelevant nonsense or posting boring cat photos. Thanks. I guess I had it coming. |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on May 21, 2018 16:46:03 GMT -5
I look like I'm wearing makeup today.....nonsense, but true. Thanks. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 21, 2018 18:20:40 GMT -5
The U.S. has a bad rep currently, as it should, with an idiot as president and leader of the free world, but the United States isn't that bad, overall.....President of the United States shouldn't be an entry level position..... I've only seen a real gun shot three times in my life and every time it was really weird.....very uncomfortable; I've said and done the craziest things in my life and I'm still alive.... Having said that, every other country has strict gun laws and don't have mass shooting, that's not coincidence..... Thanks, The majority of the people in the US are decent people like anywhere else. Its politcal choices by those in charge leave a lot to be desired as they do in my country. Since he came to power among many dubious decisions we've had the Paris Climate deal, Iran, embassy in Jerusalem. He has a way of pissing people off. |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on May 21, 2018 19:13:57 GMT -5
The U.S. has a bad rep currently, as it should, with an idiot as president and leader of the free world, but the United States isn't that bad, overall.....President of the United States shouldn't be an entry level position..... I've only seen a real gun shot three times in my life and every time it was really weird.....very uncomfortable; I've said and done the craziest things in my life and I'm still alive.... Having said that, every other country has strict gun laws and don't have mass shooting, that's not coincidence..... Thanks, The majority of the people in the US are decent people like anywhere else. Its politcal choices by those in charge leave a lot to be desired as they do in my country. Since he came to power among many dubious decisions we've had the Paris Climate deal, Iran, embassy in Jerusalem. He has a way of pissing people off. I live in Ohio, a swing state, and a specifically conservative area, which I didn't realize fully until the last presidential election.......most people were hesitant or embarrassed but held their nose, apparently, and voted for him, because, if anything, it wasn't Hillary - party over country.....and he won the county where I live......and some of those people will have Trump signs in their yards if he's impeached. I would love to see any love, compassion, inclusiveness and humanity from the current administration, but.... As I said, most Americans are good people, as you know. God bless. |
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Post by The Escapist on May 21, 2018 19:18:12 GMT -5
Americans are fine, America is disgusting.
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Post by glider on May 21, 2018 19:45:12 GMT -5
Why do you think a lot of normal citizens would want to own them? Because of the glorification of gun culture, a fucked up phenomenon that exists only in the fucked up US. I'm an American, you can't object to me insulting our country. Finally, someone mentioned this. The mental health arguments with gun control I've seen all the time never bring up this, and I still think it's the number one reason why these killings continue to happen. In my opinion, this country is too rooted into that crappy gun culture it's impossible to eradicate it. |
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