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Post by joladella on May 21, 2018 4:07:54 GMT -5
There are often many reasons why a person would reach the point where killing innocent people seems like a good idea. I don't think anyone is ignoring this. But the issue at hand is how to in the best way prevent these people from purchasing a gun, and in a worst case scenario killing innocent people with it. Can't we care about both issues at the same time? My issue is with the large amounts of people who believe this is the only way to solve this problem. And I don’t believe it will help much, because will find other ways to kill people. In Europe, people run over crowds of people with cars all the time, and stabbings are becoming a crisis. I can’t quite understand that people will ignore the obvious issues here and instead focus on the firearms used. No they don't. There have been a few horrible cases like that "in Europe" over the last few years, but it is hardly something that happens "all the time" here, thankfully. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 7:17:57 GMT -5
My issue is with the large amounts of people who believe this is the only way to solve this problem. And I don’t believe it will help much, because will find other ways to kill people. In Europe, people run over crowds of people with cars all the time, and stabbings are becoming a crisis. I can’t quite understand that people will ignore the obvious issues here and instead focus on the firearms used. No they don't. There have been a few horrible cases like that "in Europe" over the last few years, but it is hardly something that happens "all the time" here, thankfully. It’s increasing at an alarm rate, don’t you think? |
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Post by eva on May 21, 2018 7:37:44 GMT -5
No they don't. There have been a few horrible cases like that "in Europe" over the last few years, but it is hardly something that happens "all the time" here, thankfully. It’s increasing at an alarm rate, don’t you think? 10 terrorist attacks with vehicles in the past 2 years in Europe vs 45 school shootings* in the US, same period *22 in the past 5 months. I consider that an alarming rate |
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Post by joladella on May 21, 2018 8:01:00 GMT -5
No they don't. There have been a few horrible cases like that "in Europe" over the last few years, but it is hardly something that happens "all the time" here, thankfully. It’s increasing at an alarm rate, don’t you think? No, I don't. |
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Post by Officer Jim Kurring on May 21, 2018 8:15:45 GMT -5
Im just asking what can be improved, I’m not “pushing a point.” If you've read what I posted, the deficiencies seem obvious. Europeans have a different experience than we do. That explains their different viewpoint. They had war in their homelands. I would never support a European Union type thing in the US. But I get why they do. When presenting your point, you need to take into account your audience. Then have a chill once in a while. Lighten up mate. And post some stuff about Oasis and cats  I agree 110%........ Thanks. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 8:28:16 GMT -5
It’s increasing at an alarm rate, don’t you think? 10 terrorist attacks with vehicles in the past 2 years in Europe vs 45 school shootings* in the US, same period *22 in the past 5 months. I consider that an alarming rate When did I deny that there are way too many shootings happening? Never. I just believe we can go about preventing these shootings beyond just banning guns. I believe there’s more to it than that |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 8:28:43 GMT -5
It’s increasing at an alarm rate, don’t you think? No, I don't. Not surprising |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 21, 2018 9:26:51 GMT -5
Its so weird that people think its ok to own military grade firepower. I mean it was created for war not collection, should I be able to start collecting grenades?
The official definitions of political systems is apparently wrong if Jordan deems them to not fit with his narrative.
Tighter gun control is obviously one of a plethora of potentially helpful solutions and yet it is the one rallied against the most. Of the other solutions I doubt the US will enact any, the cost of health care, the level of poverty which goes hand in hand with the easy aquisition of guns.
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 9:31:40 GMT -5
Its so weird that people think its ok to own military grade firepower. I mean it was created for war not collection, should I be able to start collecting grenades? The official definitions of political systems is apparently wrong if Jordan deems them to not fit with his narrative. Tighter gun control is obviously one of a plethora of potentially helpful solutions and yet it is the one rallied against the most. Of the other solutions I doubt the US will enact any, the cost of health care, the level of poverty which goes hand in hand with the easy aquisition of guns. I have no narrative, I just believe there is a bigger picture to this besides banning guns. There are already restrictions in place. I’m doubtful in how effective more restrictions will be. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 21, 2018 9:40:53 GMT -5
Its so weird that people think its ok to own military grade firepower. I mean it was created for war not collection, should I be able to start collecting grenades? The official definitions of political systems is apparently wrong if Jordan deems them to not fit with his narrative. Tighter gun control is obviously one of a plethora of potentially helpful solutions and yet it is the one rallied against the most. Of the other solutions I doubt the US will enact any, the cost of health care, the level of poverty which goes hand in hand with the easy aquisition of guns. I have no narrative, I just believe there is a bigger picture to this besides banning guns. There are already restrictions in place. I’m doubtful in how effective more restrictions will be. Difficulty in obtaining weaponary seems to be a factor in other countries. I live in the countryside, while shooting isn't my thing I don't know anyone who requires a military grade assult rifle to do it. It isn't just guns there are many factors that need looking at but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do something about guns, how many more have to happen before you personally think that looking at tighter gun control is worth it?. I think people who think like you are basically guilty of simply accepting these massacres. Sadly the only thing that might actually prompt some political action is a few more of them. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 9:42:49 GMT -5
I have no narrative, I just believe there is a bigger picture to this besides banning guns. There are already restrictions in place. I’m doubtful in how effective more restrictions will be. Difficulty in obtaining weaponary seems to be a factor in other countries. I live in the countryside, while shooting isn't my thing I don't know anyone who requires a military grade assult rifle to do it. It isn't just guns there are many factors that need looking at but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do something about guns, how many more have to happen before you personally think that looking at tighter gun control is worth it?. I think people who think like you are basically guilty of simply accepting these massacres. Sadly the only thing that might actually prompt some political action is a few more of them. I’m guilty of accepting these murders? I don’t accept them, but I don’t think the blanket statement “ban all guns” will change much. There’s more to it than that. But not to you obviously |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 21, 2018 9:49:49 GMT -5
Difficulty in obtaining weaponary seems to be a factor in other countries. I live in the countryside, while shooting isn't my thing I don't know anyone who requires a military grade assult rifle to do it. It isn't just guns there are many factors that need looking at but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do something about guns, how many more have to happen before you personally think that looking at tighter gun control is worth it?. I think people who think like you are basically guilty of simply accepting these massacres. Sadly the only thing that might actually prompt some political action is a few more of them. I’m guilty of accepting these murders? I don’t accept them, but I don’t think the blanket statement “ban all guns” will change much. There’s more to it than that. But not to you obviously I have said more than once that it is a combination of factors but surely tighter restrictions on guns is something worth trying to tackle a factor of school massacres and not desperatly holding on to this ridiculous archaic amendment? What are your thoughts on a solution? |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 9:54:50 GMT -5
I’m guilty of accepting these murders? I don’t accept them, but I don’t think the blanket statement “ban all guns” will change much. There’s more to it than that. But not to you obviously I have said more than once that it is a combination of factors but surely tighter restrictions on guns is something worth trying to tackle a factor of school massacres and not desperatly holding on to this ridiculous archaic amendment? What are your thoughts on a solution? I also believe it’s a combination of factors. But like anything we’ve tried to ban or closely restrict, people will find a way to get it. Do you seriously think these school shootings will decrease even if stricter gun laws are point in place? I certainly don’t, there’s more going on than just that |
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Post by funhouse on May 21, 2018 9:59:44 GMT -5
Difficulty in obtaining weaponary seems to be a factor in other countries. I live in the countryside, while shooting isn't my thing I don't know anyone who requires a military grade assult rifle to do it. It isn't just guns there are many factors that need looking at but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do something about guns, how many more have to happen before you personally think that looking at tighter gun control is worth it?. I think people who think like you are basically guilty of simply accepting these massacres. Sadly the only thing that might actually prompt some political action is a few more of them. I’m guilty of accepting these murders? I don’t accept them, but I don’t think the blanket statement “ban all guns” will change much. There’s more to it than that. But not to you obviously "Ban all guns"? I may not have read every post on here, but I'm not sure who's said that. Not even David Hogg has, who seems to be the most hated man by the NRA. Stricter gun reform does not equal banning Guns. Well, some guns to be fair. Speaking of that, I just want to clarify one thing from yesterday's duscussion. When you thought me approving of taking away assault rifles would be like fascism, did you mean taking them away while they're still legal? Because if that's what you meant I wouldn't have lashed out on you the way I did. |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 21, 2018 10:00:14 GMT -5
I have said more than once that it is a combination of factors but surely tighter restrictions on guns is something worth trying to tackle a factor of school massacres and not desperatly holding on to this ridiculous archaic amendment? What are your thoughts on a solution? I also believe it’s a combination of factors. But like anything we’ve tried to ban or closely restrict, people will find a way to get it. Do you seriously think these school shootings will decrease even if stricter gun laws are point in place? I certainly don’t, there’s more going on than just that What would be your suggestion then? Assult rifles should be banned. Military grade weaponary should not be available to civillians. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 10:22:03 GMT -5
I just can't believe it's okay to own an assault rifle in the US like it's nothing.
When I was in the army (Finland) we were told that if you somehow lose your gun you could possibly face a prison sentence and if no one finds the gun they will have the right to search your house in the future whenever they want.
That's how strict we are with guns here.
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 10:25:29 GMT -5
I also believe it’s a combination of factors. But like anything we’ve tried to ban or closely restrict, people will find a way to get it. Do you seriously think these school shootings will decrease even if stricter gun laws are point in place? I certainly don’t, there’s more going on than just that What would be your suggestion then? Assult rifles should be banned. Military grade weaponary should not be available to civillians. Besides these school shootings, why do you think civilians shouldn’t have these weapons? (This is a genuine question, don’t jump down my throat) |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 10:29:29 GMT -5
What would be your suggestion then? Assult rifles should be banned. Military grade weaponary should not be available to civillians. Besides these school shootings, why do you think civilians shouldn’t have these weapons? (This is a genuine question, don’t jump down my throat) Why the fuck they need a weapon that was invented to kill as many people as possible? |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 10:33:29 GMT -5
Besides these school shootings, why do you think civilians shouldn’t have these weapons? (This is a genuine question, don’t jump down my throat) Why the fuck they need a weapon that was invented to kill as many people as possible? I’m not sure but there are a lot of people out there who have them. Do you suspect all of them will murder someone with these weapons? You can’t just violate people’s rights (insert “dumb American response here”( |
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Post by funhouse on May 21, 2018 10:44:27 GMT -5
Why the fuck they need a weapon that was invented to kill as many people as possible? I’m not sure but there are a lot of people out there who have them. Do you suspect all of them will murder someone with these weapons? You can’t just violate people’s rights (insert “dumb American response here”( It's an american right to own a gun, but why should that include all kinds of guns? There's nothing to gain from having an assault rifle. There are regular guns of excellent quality that works perfectly when hunting, or when protecting your home. The downside? When crazy people get access to them, more people die. Once again, that is the point with an assault rifle. Shouldn't that be enough of an argument to stop selling these types of guns to civilians? |
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Post by tomlivesforever on May 21, 2018 10:59:20 GMT -5
What would be your suggestion then? Assult rifles should be banned. Military grade weaponary should not be available to civillians. Besides these school shootings, why do you think civilians shouldn’t have these weapons? (This is a genuine question, don’t jump down my throat) My answer to that has been covered by the two susequent posters. I don't think civilians should have weapons created for the military and capable of mass murder. Can you give me a counter argument that overides that given that mass murders are occuring and it isn't a theoretical point. Do you not think the second has less meaning in a modern western society given when and why it was created in the first place? You still haven't given me your ideas for possible solutions to this problem? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2018 10:59:31 GMT -5
Why the fuck they need a weapon that was invented to kill as many people as possible? I’m not sure but there are a lot of people out there who have them. Do you suspect all of them will murder someone with these weapons? You can’t just violate people’s rights (insert “dumb American response here”( No, but one of them could and even that is too much. Of course the gun problem has gone too far already; too many guns in circulation. But it wouldn't harm anyone if they made a change and actually tried to improve the situation. It would be good if only licensed firing ranges had the rights to own them and the people who want to shoot with them could go there. It's a scary thought that pretty much everyone could own an assault rifle. And trust me; I know what kind of damage they can do. Carrying one for almost 6 months taught me a thing or two. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 11:01:55 GMT -5
Besides these school shootings, why do you think civilians shouldn’t have these weapons? (This is a genuine question, don’t jump down my throat) My answer to that has been covered by the two susequent posters. I don't think civilians should have weapons created for the military and capable of mass murder. Can you give me a counter argument that overides that given that mass murders are occuring and it isn't a theoretical point. Do you not think the second has less meaning in a modern western society given when and why it was created in the first place? You still haven't given me your ideas for possible solutions to this problem? I’m not sure what to do, that’s why I’m asking questions. |
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Post by funhouse on May 21, 2018 11:04:53 GMT -5
My answer to that has been covered by the two susequent posters. I don't think civilians should have weapons created for the military and capable of mass murder. Can you give me a counter argument that overides that given that mass murders are occuring and it isn't a theoretical point. Do you not think the second has less meaning in a modern western society given when and why it was created in the first place? You still haven't given me your ideas for possible solutions to this problem? I’m not sure what to do, that’s why I’m asking questions. But what makes you think gun regulations would have such a small impact that they're basically unnecessary? |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 21, 2018 11:05:37 GMT -5
I’m not sure what to do, that’s why I’m asking questions. But what makes you think gun regulations would have such a small impact that they're basically unnecessary? From all of the other types of things we’ve tried to regulate that didn’t work (drugs, alcohol, etc) |
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