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Post by crisppacket on May 20, 2018 9:58:58 GMT -5
I’m just going to be called a stupid American for saying this, but I don’t understand how stricter gun laws will change anything. Literally everything these shooters do (bring a gun to school, shoot the gun, murder people) is illegal, but somehow, stricter gun laws will change that. We have a mental health issue disguised as a gun issue. Anyone who wants to buy a gun should go through some kind of mental assessment before they're allowed to buy one then, the fact that practically anyone can just go and buy a gun is pretty fucked up. Stricter laws would make it harder to buy a gun, so less shootings, therefore less kids dying in schools |
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Post by mancraider on May 20, 2018 10:07:25 GMT -5
I’m just going to be called a stupid American for saying this, but I don’t understand how stricter gun laws will change anything. Literally everything these shooters do (bring a gun to school, shoot the gun, murder people) is illegal, but somehow, stricter gun laws will change that. We have a mental health issue disguised as a gun issue. I guess it's not just access to guns that's the problem but the wider gun culture. These kids grow up in a society surrounded by guns and images of heroes carrying guns. Plus a lot are introduced to guns and are taught to handle them at a young age. Even if they are not legally permitted to use the guns if they can access them and know how to use them without the emotional maturity to act responsibly with them then the result all to often is what you see on the news. It's not just a gun control problem or a mental health problem. It's both plus a social problem that makes carrying a gun aspirational and a sign of masculinity, therefore a viable solution to an insecure teenager. All aspects need dealing with but instead you just have everyone picking a side and shouting at each other while the kids carry on dying. |
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Post by fiordiligi on May 20, 2018 10:16:00 GMT -5
I’m just going to be called a stupid American for saying this, but I don’t understand how stricter gun laws will change anything. Literally everything these shooters do (bring a gun to school, shoot the gun, murder people) is illegal, but somehow, stricter gun laws will change that. We have a mental health issue disguised as a gun issue. There have been 22 mass school shootings in US in 2018 so far. 0 In Italy, and Italy isn’t Iceland, we have criminals too. But we are not culturally obsessed with guns like you are and buying one is still complicated here, so there are less guns around, which means less gun homicides. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 10:17:28 GMT -5
I’m just going to be called a stupid American for saying this, but I don’t understand how stricter gun laws will change anything. Literally everything these shooters do (bring a gun to school, shoot the gun, murder people) is illegal, but somehow, stricter gun laws will change that. We have a mental health issue disguised as a gun issue. I guess it's not just access to guns that's the problem but the wider gun culture. These kids grow up in a society surrounded by guns and images of heroes carrying guns. Plus a lot are introduced to guns and are taught to handle them at a young age. Even if they are not legally permitted to use the guns if they can access them and know how to use them without the emotional maturity to act responsibly with them then the result all to often is what you see on the news. It's not just a gun control problem or a mental health problem. It's both plus a social problem that makes carrying a gun aspirational and a sign of masculinity, therefore a viable solution to an insecure teenager. All aspects need dealing with but instead you just have everyone picking a side and shouting at each other while the kids carry on dying. Is there an issue with teaching children how to handle a gun at a young age by a responsible adult? Gun owners who introduce their young children to guns are often chastised and I’m not sure if it’s a bad thing |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 10:22:27 GMT -5
I’m just going to be called a stupid American for saying this, but I don’t understand how stricter gun laws will change anything. Literally everything these shooters do (bring a gun to school, shoot the gun, murder people) is illegal, but somehow, stricter gun laws will change that. We have a mental health issue disguised as a gun issue. There have been 22 mass school shootings in US in 2018 so far. 0 In Italy, and Italy isn’t Iceland, we have criminals too. But we are not culturally obsessed with guns like you are and buying one is still complicated here, so there are less guns around, which means less gun homicides. I don’t think boasting about Italy’s low gun murders is very wise. Italy has an overwhelming organized crime problem, where businesses need to pay protection money or they’ll be taken over. If it’s not guns, it’s something else. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 10:24:16 GMT -5
I’m just going to be called a stupid American for saying this, but I don’t understand how stricter gun laws will change anything. Literally everything these shooters do (bring a gun to school, shoot the gun, murder people) is illegal, but somehow, stricter gun laws will change that. We have a mental health issue disguised as a gun issue. Anyone who wants to buy a gun should go through some kind of mental assessment before they're allowed to buy one then, the fact that practically anyone can just go and buy a gun is pretty fucked up. Stricter laws would make it harder to buy a gun, so less shootings, therefore less kids dying in schools How strict should they get? I’m not sure how far they should go to make firearms harder to get |
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Post by mancraider on May 20, 2018 10:28:25 GMT -5
I guess it's not just access to guns that's the problem but the wider gun culture. These kids grow up in a society surrounded by guns and images of heroes carrying guns. Plus a lot are introduced to guns and are taught to handle them at a young age. Even if they are not legally permitted to use the guns if they can access them and know how to use them without the emotional maturity to act responsibly with them then the result all to often is what you see on the news. It's not just a gun control problem or a mental health problem. It's both plus a social problem that makes carrying a gun aspirational and a sign of masculinity, therefore a viable solution to an insecure teenager. All aspects need dealing with but instead you just have everyone picking a side and shouting at each other while the kids carry on dying. Is there an issue with teaching children how to handle a gun at a young age by a responsible adult? Gun owners who introduce their young children to guns are often chastised and I’m not sure if it’s a bad thing well the parent might be 'responsible' if you want to use that word for an adult teaching a child how to operate a device designed to kill people. How responsible is the child that now knows how to fire a gun? You'll never know until the day that child picks up his parents gun and starts shooting other kids because they were mean to him. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 10:32:07 GMT -5
Is there an issue with teaching children how to handle a gun at a young age by a responsible adult? Gun owners who introduce their young children to guns are often chastised and I’m not sure if it’s a bad thing well the parent might be 'responsible' if you want to use that word for an adult teaching a child how to operate a device designed to kill people. How responsible is the child that now knows how to fire a gun? You'll never know until the day that child picks up his parents gun and starts shooting other kids because they were mean to him. Not to defend these shooters, but shouldn’t something also be done to prevent these shootings instead of just gun restrictions? If something isn’t done to help these students going through these issues, they will find another outlet to hurt people. We see that going on today too (knives and cars especially.) Bombs can also be made fairly easily. Should we restrict all of the elements that could make up a bomb? Do you see where I’m coming from and the rabbit hole we can go down in this line of thinking? |
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Post by fiordiligi on May 20, 2018 10:34:14 GMT -5
There have been 22 mass school shootings in US in 2018 so far. 0 In Italy, and Italy isn’t Iceland, we have criminals too. But we are not culturally obsessed with guns like you are and buying one is still complicated here, so there are less guns around, which means less gun homicides. I don’t think boasting about Italy’s low gun murders is very wise. Italy has an overwhelming organized crime problem, where businesses need to pay protection money or they’ll be taken over. If it’s not guns, it’s something else. That was exactly my point. We have criminals, but since we have strict laws to buy a gun, very few normal people own one and therefore we don’t have the same amount of gun murders per capita like you do. Criminals will always find a way to buy guns anyway. School shootings weren’t exactly committed by criminals though. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 10:35:08 GMT -5
I don’t think boasting about Italy’s low gun murders is very wise. Italy has an overwhelming organized crime problem, where businesses need to pay protection money or they’ll be taken over. If it’s not guns, it’s something else. That was exactly my point. We have criminals, but since we have strict laws to buy a gun, very few normal people own one and therefore we don’t have the same amount of gun murders per capita like you do. Criminals will always find a way to buy guns anyway. School shootings weren’t exactly committed by criminals though. School shooters are criminals. |
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Post by mancraider on May 20, 2018 10:43:36 GMT -5
well the parent might be 'responsible' if you want to use that word for an adult teaching a child how to operate a device designed to kill people. How responsible is the child that now knows how to fire a gun? You'll never know until the day that child picks up his parents gun and starts shooting other kids because they were mean to him. Not to defend these shooters, but shouldn’t something also be done to prevent these shootings instead of just gun restrictions? If something isn’t done to help these students going through these issues, they will find another outlet to hurt people. We see that going on today too (knives and cars especially.) Bombs can also be made fairly easily. Should we restrict all of the elements that could make up a bomb? Do you see where I’m coming from and the rabbit hole we can go down in this line of thinking? not really. Growing up is emotional and often involves a lot of hurt and dissapointment, especially during adolescents. It's always been the case, a part of the human condition. The difference is how a community teaches you to deal with it. If you see a hormonal teenager lacking an emotionally mature response to normal life events as a mental illness then that's just sticking your head in the sand to avoid seeing what's in front of your face. You are going round in circles in order to avoid any criticism of the gun access issue so there isn't any point getting caught up in a pointless debate here. I don't live in America so I don't need to worry about it fortunately. |
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Post by crisppacket on May 20, 2018 10:44:24 GMT -5
Anyone who wants to buy a gun should go through some kind of mental assessment before they're allowed to buy one then, the fact that practically anyone can just go and buy a gun is pretty fucked up. Stricter laws would make it harder to buy a gun, so less shootings, therefore less kids dying in schools How strict should they get? I’m not sure how far they should go to make firearms harder to get Far enough so that more kids don’t needlessly die in schools |
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Post by fiordiligi on May 20, 2018 10:44:26 GMT -5
That was exactly my point. We have criminals, but since we have strict laws to buy a gun, very few normal people own one and therefore we don’t have the same amount of gun murders per capita like you do. Criminals will always find a way to buy guns anyway. School shootings weren’t exactly committed by criminals though. School shooters are criminals. they were teenagers who had access to guns and then became criminals |
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Post by eva on May 20, 2018 10:48:21 GMT -5
I guess it's not just access to guns that's the problem but the wider gun culture. These kids grow up in a society surrounded by guns and images of heroes carrying guns. Plus a lot are introduced to guns and are taught to handle them at a young age. Even if they are not legally permitted to use the guns if they can access them and know how to use them without the emotional maturity to act responsibly with them then the result all to often is what you see on the news. It's not just a gun control problem or a mental health problem. It's both plus a social problem that makes carrying a gun aspirational and a sign of masculinity, therefore a viable solution to an insecure teenager. All aspects need dealing with but instead you just have everyone picking a side and shouting at each other while the kids carry on dying. Spot on and to add to your point: How cute Americans are really fucked up when it comes to guns |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 10:49:57 GMT -5
Not to defend these shooters, but shouldn’t something also be done to prevent these shootings instead of just gun restrictions? If something isn’t done to help these students going through these issues, they will find another outlet to hurt people. We see that going on today too (knives and cars especially.) Bombs can also be made fairly easily. Should we restrict all of the elements that could make up a bomb? Do you see where I’m coming from and the rabbit hole we can go down in this line of thinking? not really. Growing up is emotional and often involves a lot of hurt and dissapointment, especially during adolescents. It's always been the case, a part of the human condition. The difference is how a community teaches you to deal with it. If you see a hormonal teenager lacking an emotionally mature response to normal life events as a mental illness then that's just sticking your head in the sand to avoid seeing what's in front of your face. You are going round in circles in order to avoid any criticism of the gun access issue so there isn't any point getting caught up in a pointless debate here. I don't live in America so I don't need to worry about it fortunately. I’m literally responding to what you’re saying and also asking you questions coming from my point of view, yet I’m “going around in circles” and avoiding the issue? I believe it’s more than just a gun issue so I’m trying to understand what else could cause these shootings. But go ahead, just keep saying I’m ignoring criticism |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 10:51:04 GMT -5
I guess it's not just access to guns that's the problem but the wider gun culture. These kids grow up in a society surrounded by guns and images of heroes carrying guns. Plus a lot are introduced to guns and are taught to handle them at a young age. Even if they are not legally permitted to use the guns if they can access them and know how to use them without the emotional maturity to act responsibly with them then the result all to often is what you see on the news. It's not just a gun control problem or a mental health problem. It's both plus a social problem that makes carrying a gun aspirational and a sign of masculinity, therefore a viable solution to an insecure teenager. All aspects need dealing with but instead you just have everyone picking a side and shouting at each other while the kids carry on dying. Spot on and to add to your point: How cute Americans are really fucked up when it comes to guns You’ll probably just insult me for asking this, but what do you find wrong with this video? |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 10:52:36 GMT -5
How strict should they get? I’m not sure how far they should go to make firearms harder to get Far enough so that more kids don’t needlessly die in schools So take all guns away from civilians? Because that’s the only way I can see that happening. Do you agree with all civilians having their guns taken away? |
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Post by eva on May 20, 2018 10:54:36 GMT -5
Spot on and to add to your point: How cute Americans are really fucked up when it comes to guns You’ll probably just insult me for asking this, but what do you find wrong with this video? Seriously?? Well, I guess that's why America's society is fucked up and why they won't change a single thing regarding gun laws |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 10:55:20 GMT -5
You’ll probably just insult me for asking this, but what do you find wrong with this video? Seriously?? Well, I guess that's why America's society is fucked up and why they won't change a single thing regarding gun laws Case in point |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 10:57:46 GMT -5
Because they are treating the gun like it's a toy...a kid that age shouldn't know how to use a gun. That woman is an idiot.
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Post by eva on May 20, 2018 11:00:15 GMT -5
Seriously?? Well, I guess that's why America's society is fucked up and why they won't change a single thing regarding gun laws Case in point it is not a cute game. He's a toddler, he shouldn't be doing that like it's something normal. he's just a little kid and adults are supposed to protect them and not do that idiotic thing, and especially avoid giving guns to kids or teenagers |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 11:00:16 GMT -5
Because they are treating the gun like it's a toy...a kid that age shouldn't know how to use a gun. That woman is an idiot. When is an appropriate age to learn how to use a gun? |
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Post by mancraider on May 20, 2018 11:01:42 GMT -5
not really. Growing up is emotional and often involves a lot of hurt and dissapointment, especially during adolescents. It's always been the case, a part of the human condition. The difference is how a community teaches you to deal with it. If you see a hormonal teenager lacking an emotionally mature response to normal life events as a mental illness then that's just sticking your head in the sand to avoid seeing what's in front of your face. You are going round in circles in order to avoid any criticism of the gun access issue so there isn't any point getting caught up in a pointless debate here. I don't live in America so I don't need to worry about it fortunately. I’m literally responding to what you’re saying and also asking you questions coming from my point of view, yet I’m “going around in circles” and avoiding the issue? I believe it’s more than just a gun issue so I’m trying to understand what else could cause these shootings. But go ahead, just keep saying I’m ignoring criticism you appear to be asking but by making the false equivalence to knives and cars argument and talking of criticism of gun access laws as 'going down a rabbit hole' it's clear to me where this is going. It's your right to believe what you want but we aren't going to agree and could spend all day going back and forth in the issue. I'm sure there will be plenty of others along to debate with but I've got other things to do. Enjoy. |
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Post by crisppacket on May 20, 2018 11:02:12 GMT -5
Far enough so that more kids don’t needlessly die in schools So take all guns away from civilians? Because that’s the only way I can see that happening. Do you agree with all civilians having their guns taken away? I think anyone that really desperately needs to buy a gun should go under some kind of assessment in order to do so. You said earlier that mental health is the bigger issue here, and if that’s really the case then the fact that people with such problems are able to buy a gun so easily is ludicrous. If there are controls put in place to prevent the ease of buying guns then I’m all for it. Kids shouldn’t die in schools, and if it takes civilians giving up their guns to make this happens then so be it. |
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Post by jordan71421 on May 20, 2018 11:02:30 GMT -5
it is not a cute game. He's a toddler, he shouldn't be doing that like it's something normal. he's just a little kid and adults are supposed to protect them and not do that idiotic thing, and especially avoid giving guns to kids or teenagers They’re at a store and the gun is not loaded, with an adult watching. What if his family are sport hunters who want to teach their kids how to hunt for the future? Once you write off an entire group of people because of the actions of others (who they aren’t connected to) you go down a dark path of thinking. |
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