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Post by funhouse on Oct 14, 2017 6:31:37 GMT -5
So this poll is aimed for those who don't like the new Noel track Holy Mountain (of which I am one). The thing I'm curious about is not how much you dislike it, but WHY you dislike it. Most people who like it seem to believe it is because Holy Mountain is so experimental and toootally different from anything we've eard heard from Noel before, which have made our brains melt collectively. I, on the other hand, dislike it because to me it's just another one of those uninspired Noel tracks with some flutes on top of it to pass it off as new and intresting. Anyway, I've already written a post about it, as have other people. Let's make this into a poll instead!
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Post by itsgoodtobeback on Oct 14, 2017 6:47:41 GMT -5
If it was on HC everyone would despise it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 6:55:14 GMT -5
I find the song too repetitive, seems to be too much going around to a point where it creates a supersonic cloud of noise, but not the in the way it´s good, at least for me. Also the production is not anything to write home about and Noel´s voice does not fit this style of music.
I can see why people like it, it´s a song you can dance to, and can put you in a good mood if you into this type of style but personally meh for me. But i´m not going to say the whole album is gonna be shit, i still believe it will have some great tunes if the album trailer is any indicator but the first single did not please me one bit.
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Post by joladella on Oct 14, 2017 7:46:22 GMT -5
I don't really care for that flute, it makes me think of a marching band at a street parade.
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Post by LlAM on Oct 14, 2017 8:00:24 GMT -5
If it was on HC everyone would despise it. If it was a b-side on Roll With It, it would be hailed as an all time classic.
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 14, 2017 8:09:14 GMT -5
It's not good enough to be a lead single, it's catchy enough but it doesn't have the hooks I expect from a NG song and not to mention it sounds like a 192kbp rip being played through bad speakers.
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Post by itsgoodtobeback on Oct 14, 2017 8:12:52 GMT -5
If it was on HC everyone would despise it. If it was a b-side on Roll With It, it would be hailed as an all time classic. Touche.
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 14, 2017 9:17:56 GMT -5
If it was on HC everyone would despise it. People on here love their what if scenarios. Ex falso quodlibet - it doesn't matter.
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Post by Godlike on Oct 14, 2017 9:19:47 GMT -5
If it was on HC everyone would despise it. People on here love their what if scenarios. Ex falso quodlibet - it doesn't matter. It matters to him obviously so mind your business if you can't handle it, bunch of fucking crybabies on this forum
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Post by Worldsac on Oct 14, 2017 10:40:14 GMT -5
From my point of view, there is a big problem in this album. The problem is that Noel has changed entirely his method of work. It is known the talent Noel has, but is difficult even for him to change his method. He is a 50-year-old man, he used to work in other way since early 90's, and now for the last 2 years he has worked the opposite direction he used to.
For that reason I feel really pessimistic about the album. I think it will be the worst album of his solo work, and it is because of that.
Maybe if he had worked in the same way as previous years and the new psychodelic-electronic-60's french pop-whatever way, the album would have been the best album of the year (at least). But I think Chris Moyles and Noel has failed to chase that way of work.
I hope I will be wrong...
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 14, 2017 10:44:22 GMT -5
From my point of view, there is a big problem in this album. The problem is that Noel has changed entirely his method of work. It is known the talent Noel has, but is difficult even for him to change his method. He is a 50-year-old man, he used to work in other way since early 90's, and now for the last 2 years he has worked the opposite direction he used to. For that reason I feel really pessimistic about the album. I think it will be the worst album of his solo work, and it is because of that. Maybe if he had worked in the same way as previous years and the new psychodelic-electronic-60's french pop-whatever way, the album would have been the best album of the year (at least). But I think Chris Moyles and Noel has failed to chase that way of work. I hope I will be wrong... I’ve been extremely tired of Noel’s musical approach over the last 12-15 years. That singer/songwriter type stuff. I’m glad he’s trying to be different and challenge not only himself but us. Who wants the same old songy songs all the time. That can get boring...........fast.
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Post by oasis6 on Oct 14, 2017 10:56:04 GMT -5
I like it, its a 7, and maybe it may still grow a bit for me, but it will not be a classic for me down the line, and I personally have many Noel songs and basically all of AYW well ahead of it. Doesn't mean I hate it or its shit. In fact I like it and its good, but I'm going to try to answer for the middle ground people here (and a bit of my own personal taste).
My biggest issue is, its just too long. I understand that if this is a top notch song for someone, it won't be too long, its less than 4 minutes! But I originally thought it was too long and still feel this way. With the song being the way it is, very little change, I'm digging it but by the last minute I still get the "Is this still going on?"
I've talked about how all the individual sounds are catchy, put them together and they work very well. But something with the production is too crackly, and I do agree, this song is kind of "just noise". Good noise, happy noise, dancey noise, but not epic classic noise.
And again, it lacks the peaks and valleys I just prefer in a song. I love the build ups in the songs and then their peaks, and then the catch your breath moment at the end. Like Champagne Supernova (Or more recently, I've All I Need). That's the kind of journey I want from a song, rather than just kind of a flat line. But again that's taste.
Now looking at it from a Gallagher historical point of view. Like me, I think many others grew up with the mid-tempo ballad and fell in love with it. And even though over the years, the new attempts at these are not up to snuff with the 90s (though really, some are still good), I think there is comfort zone but also just a genuine love for these that can never dissipate.
Songs like If I Had a Gun or Universal Gleam. They aren't Live Forevers, but fuck me give me 100 more of them. I love them too much, I can't escape that those will always be my favourite type of Gallagher song. And even if its only a decent song, the love and nostalgia will remain.
Even in comparison to the song people are most comparing it to, Round Are Way, Liam's Rooooouuuunddd Are Waaaaayy does more for me than any element in Holy Mountain. I think there is a genuine craving and comfort level for longer notes in vocals you can belt out. Its just so Gallagher!
Now that doesn't mean I am afraid of change or others should be as well. I love What a Life, Ballad of the Mighty I and It Doesn't have to Be That Way. I would love whole albums of that. I love the WBTM previews. And if anything, those are more of a change from regular Gallagher than Holy Mountain is.
So then it comes down to personal taste. Like some of you, I want change, but the change I want is different from the change you want. Give me Gallagher does Tame Impala (Like It Doesn't Have to Be That Way). Give me Gallagher does AA, that Falling Down 25 minute tune is unreal, and I listen to it the whole way through.
But HM, its fine, just not what I'm craving, and probably how others feel as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 11:06:00 GMT -5
The way he wiggles his little short arse should be illegal.
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Post by walterglass on Oct 14, 2017 11:14:12 GMT -5
Very kitschy. Sounds like he’s covering a Steps song.
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Post by glider on Oct 14, 2017 11:14:22 GMT -5
1) After hearing Rolo's acoustic cover it seems my primary issue with the song is the arrangement - it's crowded and overproduced I think where if sections were toned down or taken back it could be a well rounded track. There is a good melody there but I feel the arrangement lets it down big time. 2) The mix is the issue here, not the mastering. Sure the mastering stage compressed it a bit too much but the mix alone has poor instrumental separation, and while the first three Oasis albums are notorious for most of the tracks being centered into the middle of the mix, this song has much more going on that isn't clear even with my $80 headphones. A 320kbs download shouldn't sound like a 192kbs youtube rip as MacaRonic said. 3) If anything, I'm not the get up and dance type when it comes to songs. Emotional, gripping music is my favorite kind, with the weight of the singer's vocal, the melody, and proper instrumental arrangement combining into something beautiful. Holy Mountain isn't a tune Noel was aiming to hit a emotional core, but something for concert goers to get excited about, a song to work out to, etc. Fair play to him. You could argue most of the rockier Oasis 90s anthems did this same thing, but there's an euphoric quality to those songs that will last a lifetime. I don't resonate with them as much as I used to, but the love is still there. I think that covers it - good song for what Noel was aiming for, but I don't think it's the masterpiece it is being heralded, that's quite an overreaction. Good news is the album preview songs sound immense and right up my alley, which I'm really looking forward to.
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Post by glider on Oct 14, 2017 11:18:26 GMT -5
From my point of view, there is a big problem in this album. The problem is that Noel has changed entirely his method of work. It is known the talent Noel has, but is difficult even for him to change his method. He is a 50-year-old man, he used to work in other way since early 90's, and now for the last 2 years he has worked the opposite direction he used to. For that reason I feel really pessimistic about the album. I think it will be the worst album of his solo work, and it is because of that. Maybe if he had worked in the same way as previous years and the new psychodelic-electronic-60's french pop-whatever way, the album would have been the best album of the year (at least). But I think Chris Moyles and Noel has failed to chase that way of work. I hope I will be wrong... I'm all for Noel going in new directions - but Holy Mountain is barely a new direction. The song has the same vibes as Mucky Fingers and Do The Damage, but is better than both at least.
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 14, 2017 11:21:09 GMT -5
I went for the second option, it just reminds me of too many mashed up Noel tunes in one go made to sound like the Go Team. Looking forward to how it works within the album though.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 14, 2017 12:22:53 GMT -5
I do not dislike the song, but what I dislike about the song is that it's just lazy.
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Post by Binary Sunset on Oct 14, 2017 12:56:48 GMT -5
The vocals let down the song, the instrumentals give me a headache, its far too repetitive, and it reminds me of Mucky Fingers and She Must be One of Us, which are two of my least favorite songs ever...does that explain it?
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Post by Jim G. on Oct 14, 2017 14:35:47 GMT -5
I'm all for Noel experimenting and changing his approach, but honestly, I just think it's a bad song.
Aside from some nice instrumentation, I think it goes nowhere, the lyrics are really that bad and the mixing doesn't sound right to me. I honestly think it's b-side material at best.
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Post by bmore007 on Oct 14, 2017 15:57:16 GMT -5
The production instantly gives me a headache right when the song starts
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Post by The-Ghost-Dancer on Oct 14, 2017 16:13:19 GMT -5
i wonder what the AA album would of sounded like?. dont think it would of been this poppy but you never know.i sorta like HM but ive not took it for a spin for about 4 days or so
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 15, 2017 2:25:47 GMT -5
Because it's a rip off of Ça Plane Pour Moi, and it's not even a good rip off. For some reason, I totally expected you to like it. Wow.
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Post by anothergreatdivide on Oct 15, 2017 3:06:39 GMT -5
The production is absolutely and utterly horrendous. And the song just doesn't hold up.
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Post by pickupthebase on Oct 15, 2017 3:33:09 GMT -5
Musically is ain’t my thing, lyrically it’s terrible and I really don’t like the vocals!
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