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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 13, 2017 7:11:18 GMT -5
I don't think that Holy Mountain is that bad but it is typical Noel's song, nothing modern or experimental about it. I'm thinking maybe this is just another typical Noel's album with The Dying of the Light, Lock All The Doors...and few interesting songs or parts in songs. Just like CY. Maybe just a bit more experimental.
So, I made this video very quickly, it could be even 10 times better than this but the point is how easily we can be tricked by album previews.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 13, 2017 7:18:42 GMT -5
You make a very good point. I still expect this album to be different but perhaps not as different as Noel would have us believe, I don't think he will compromise his vision of what the record should sound like because of who is in the chair behind the glass. He's to controlling over his own work as shown with AA.
I expect the record to incorporate many different sounds that he wouldn't ordinarily use but not necessarily tear up the Noel book of songwriting. I'm happy with either though to be honest.
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Post by LlAM on Oct 13, 2017 7:19:16 GMT -5
I was actually wondering how much they've tampered with the clips.
What if the clips are different mixes a la Shoot A Hole and what we'll really get is If I Had A Gun?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 7:21:52 GMT -5
Imagine a world where marketers don't tell you the whole truth.
Crazy, right?
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Post by SheSaidHerNameWasDot on Oct 13, 2017 7:34:00 GMT -5
trick (ed)
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Post by RocketMan on Oct 13, 2017 7:35:39 GMT -5
Imagine a world where marketers don't tell you the whole truth. Crazy, right? Just watch the new Star Wars trailer. Probably misleading as fuck  |
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Post by underneaththesky on Oct 13, 2017 7:40:53 GMT -5
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Post by Doc Lobster on Oct 13, 2017 7:45:54 GMT -5
Or maybe they just chose the most poppy track as a first single?
I think this album will be just as rooted in tradition as any other thing Noel has done before, but just not the same tradition people are used to. He's thrown names like Marvin Gaye, Can, Blondie, Bowie and Joy Division, all major acts from the 60s and 70s. The album contains samples from bubblegum pop and Brian Eno tracks. He's talked about the songs sounding "like his record Collection". So the album might not be experimental per se, but it will probably be different for Noel. I don't see any false advertisement on that.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 13, 2017 7:50:45 GMT -5
When they released the clip of Shock Of the Lightning back in 08, with just the drum solo, everyone went mad. It was out there, man.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 13, 2017 7:52:57 GMT -5
Or maybe they just chose the most poppy track as a first single? I think this album will be just as rooted in tradition as any other thing Noel has done before, but just not the same tradition people are used to. He's thrown names like Marvin Gaye, Can, Blondie, Bowie and Joy Division, all major acts from the 60s and 70s. The album contains samples from bubblegum pop and Brian Eno tracks. He's talked about the songs sounding "like his record Collection". So the album might not be experimental per se, but it will probably be different for Noel. I don't see any false advertisement on that. I think you're right - he'll just be ripping off different people this time! |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 13, 2017 7:55:19 GMT -5
And who knew Noel had Plastic Bertrand and Ricky Martin in his record collection?
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Post by The Chief on Oct 13, 2017 7:57:49 GMT -5
Actually, your question can also be asked backwards. What if this was the poppiest and most recognizable song? Record companies always release the most radio friendly and recognizable songs from a record. Like, originally, NGHFB was supposed to have If I Had a Gun as a first single and at the last minute Noel decided to go with something that was less Noelish. If the new record is as trippy and psychadelic as it seems to be, it's normal they released one of the less trippy and psychadelic ones.
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Post by vito81 on Oct 13, 2017 8:02:49 GMT -5
Sorry for the Off Topic, but....WTF!?!?!   |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 13, 2017 8:03:12 GMT -5
And who knew Noel had Plastic Bertrand and Ricky Martin in his record collection? ... Sara's collection. We all know she is the real mastermind behind this record. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 13, 2017 8:19:00 GMT -5
Actually, your question can also be asked backwards. What if this was the poppiest and most recognizable song? Record companies always release the most radio friendly and recognizable songs from a record. Like, originally, NGHFB was supposed to have If I Had a Gun as a first single and at the last minute Noel decided to go with something that was less Noelish. If the new record is as trippy and psychadelic as it seems to be, it's normal they released one of the less trippy and psychadelic ones. But there is no place for songs like that if he really wants to make coherent psychedelic, experimental album. We heard 2 minutes and 30 seconds of music from his album on that preview. If you hear 2 minutes and 30 seconds long album preview for The Dark Side of the Moon or Kid A, that sound that you hear on that preview is the sound that you will hear on whole album. It's not like that you can have song like this on Kid A And where is one poppy song there is another one poppy song. And maybe another one. And another one...Which is fine if they are good. But Noel gave us that psychedelic video, psychedelic album title, psychedelic songs titles, psychedelic album cover, single cover... It would be so stupid if this is just another NGHFB album |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 13, 2017 8:36:47 GMT -5
Actually, your question can also be asked backwards. What if this was the poppiest and most recognizable song? Record companies always release the most radio friendly and recognizable songs from a record. Like, originally, NGHFB was supposed to have If I Had a Gun as a first single and at the last minute Noel decided to go with something that was less Noelish. If the new record is as trippy and psychadelic as it seems to be, it's normal they released one of the less trippy and psychadelic ones. But there is no place for songs like that if he really wants to make coherent psychedelic, experimental album. We heard 2 minutes and 30 seconds of music from his album on that preview. If you hear 2 minutes and 30 seconds long album preview for The Dark Side of the Moon or Kid A, that sound that you hear on that preview is the sound that you will hear on whole album. It's not like that you can have song like this on Kid A And where is one poppy song there is another one poppy song. And maybe another one. And another one...Which is fine if they are good. But Noel gave us that psychedelic video, psychedelic album title, psychedelic songs titles, psychedelic album cover, single cover... It would be so stupid if this is just another NGHFB album I think that maybe Kid A is the wrong comparison to draw here. Maybe consider something like Their Satanic Majesties Request, which is among Noel’s favourite albums. For the most part, that album is pretty far out there and I think that most would agree that the album as a whole has a distinct tone and that tone is psychedelic. And yet at the same time you can pull a track from it like, say, Citadel which has a lot of roots in a traditional rock and roll sound or She’s a Rainbow which is pretty poppy. And if you pull out those particular songs, and just hear them without knowing the context of the album, they do not give any real indication of what the album sounds like. And yet when they are on the album, they don’t throw off the tone at all, in my view. Consider too that the single they pulled off Revolver was Yellow Submarine (and, to be fair, Eleanor Rigby) and even if you thought that song was great (which is fair), it doesn’t give any real insight as to what Revolver sounds like. And yet it’s perfectly aligned with the overall aesthetic of the album. You with me? |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 13, 2017 8:46:01 GMT -5
But there is no place for songs like that if he really wants to make coherent psychedelic, experimental album. We heard 2 minutes and 30 seconds of music from his album on that preview. If you hear 2 minutes and 30 seconds long album preview for The Dark Side of the Moon or Kid A, that sound that you hear on that preview is the sound that you will hear on whole album. It's not like that you can have song like this on Kid A And where is one poppy song there is another one poppy song. And maybe another one. And another one...Which is fine if they are good. But Noel gave us that psychedelic video, psychedelic album title, psychedelic songs titles, psychedelic album cover, single cover... It would be so stupid if this is just another NGHFB album I think that maybe Kid A is the wrong comparison to draw here. Maybe consider something like Their Satanic Majesties Request, which is among Noel’s favourite albums. For the most part, that album is pretty far out there and I think that most would agree that the album as a whole has a distinct tone and that tone is psychedelic. And yet at the same time you can pull a track from it like, say, Citadel which has a lot of roots in a traditional rock and roll sound or She’s a Rainbow which is pretty poppy. And if you pull out those particular songs, and just hear them without knowing the context of the album, they do not give any real indication of what the album sounds like. And yet when they are on the album, they don’t throw off the tone at all, in my view. Consider too that the single they pulled off Revolver was Yellow Submarine (and, to be fair, Eleanor Rigby) and even if you thought that song was great (which is fair), it doesn’t give any real insight as to what Revolver sounds like. And yet it’s perfectly aligned with the overall aesthetic of the album. You with me? Everything is possible, that is why made this thread so everyone can write what they think about it. My opinion is that is not looking good so far. And that after hearing Holy Mountain I am less excited about those 3 songs in album preview because I can see them now as typical Noel's song, 4 minutes long with 10 or 20 or 30 seconds with some interesting parts. Like Riverman for example. That's why I made that video. I'm not saying that is like that, how can I know that but now I have my doubts and I'm looking at things from a different perspective. When I first heard that preview I was 100% mad fer it, without any doubts. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 13, 2017 8:55:42 GMT -5
Well, personally, I try not to create the album in my head before I hear it. I write and produce music myself so if there is an album that doesn't exist that I want to hear, then I make it. I don't expect artists to give me the album that I have created for them before hearing it because, I'm sure, it will never turn out the way that I wanted it to be.
I don't know if this album will be psychedelic and I don't particularly care. There are psychedelic albums that I love and there are other albums that I love that may not be mainstream but I wouldn't call psychedelic either. And while I don't like the album, I certainly wouldn't call Kid A psychedelic. Perhaps that's because I don't see psychedelia as being synonymous with experimental. I do think, from what we have been led to believe, that it will probably have a consistency of tone but what that tone is, we still don't know and probably won't until we hear the album as a whole.
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Post by eva on Oct 13, 2017 9:09:11 GMT -5
one can only hope |
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Post by stinenat on Oct 13, 2017 9:55:07 GMT -5
I don't think that Holy Mountain is that bad but it is typical Noel's song, nothing modern or experimental about it. I'm thinking maybe this is just another typical Noel's album with The Dying of the Light, Lock All The Doors...and few interesting songs or parts in songs. Just like CY. Maybe just a bit more experimental. So, I made this video very quickly, it could be even 10 times better than this but the point is how easily we can be tricked by album previews. Now I have to go listen to Chasing Yesterday. |
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Post by neila83 on Oct 13, 2017 10:25:17 GMT -5
Wait 6 weeks and I'll tell you?
This place is going crazy. People are now getting angru an album they haven't heard yet might not sound like the bits they have heard? This hurts my head.
While others are complaining holy mountain is too weird and not typical Noel. You couldn't make it up.
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Post by oasis6 on Oct 13, 2017 10:32:54 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, your preview had the best 4 songs off CY (imo).
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Post by Plantpot on Oct 13, 2017 10:33:17 GMT -5
Wait 6 weeks and I'll tell you? This place is going crazy. People are now getting angru an album they haven't heard yet might not sound like the bits they have heard? This hurts my head. While others are complaining holy mountain is too weird and not typical Noel. You couldn't make it up. While I certainly think some of the comments have been outrageous, I do think that, in general, this ongoing debate has been good for the forum. In between the outrageous posts, there are well-reasoned, quality offerings by our members. Cheers! |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 13, 2017 10:45:58 GMT -5
What makes me chuckle is the people saying others don't like it because it's "different and so out there".
It really isn't. It's Noels perception of what's psychedelic and "out there", which kinda makes it a bit naff.
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Post by underneaththesky on Oct 13, 2017 11:00:39 GMT -5
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