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Post by scorpiosonic on Oct 13, 2017 11:20:33 GMT -5
i dont think its out there, its different from noel's other stuff, in a more boring, backwards way.
I like his tender vocals, big choruses.
Dont like him trying to be a cocky grandpa
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 13, 2017 11:27:10 GMT -5
What makes me chuckle is the people saying others don't like it because it's "different and so out there". It really isn't. It's Noels perception of what's psychedelic and "out there", which kinda makes it a bit naff. Here's a sample of comments from the Holy Mountain youtube video: - I like Noel and Liam but this just isn’t Noel - The hell happened - Sorry Noel but I think you're losing it... - It's like watching a mid-life crisis taking place in front of my very eyes. - Noel God knows that I love u whit all my heart... But what the hell is this shit? - We've just lost Noel...welcome Bono gallagher... - Sorry, but this is weak Noel, we all know you can do better then this rock-electro-flute. - What the hell happened to him? - stupid song stupid lyrics , stupid dance sound it's not rock n' roll - I loved Noel until I heard this. WTF happened? - What is this ?? - WTF is this Noel...  ? - Where's the rock i expected to find? - What happened with you Noel?! Is this what your 50 years of age crisis brought up? - Oh my God, this is HORRIBLE and EMBARRASSING. Enough of the psychedelic crap - it's 2017. - wtf?! back in the 90's noel would have puked when he need to listen to this kind of music. - Noel your one of the best songwriters of all time . I listen to oasis tracks as I'm working 20 years later but I'm afraid this song isn't you at all . It seems to me that, yes, a lot of people are not liking this song because it sounds different. |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Oct 13, 2017 11:34:05 GMT -5
What makes me chuckle is the people saying others don't like it because it's "different and so out there". It really isn't. It's Noels perception of what's psychedelic and "out there", which kinda makes it a bit naff. Here's a sample of comments from the Holy Mountain youtube video: - I like Noel and Liam but this just isn’t Noel - The hell happened - Sorry Noel but I think you're losing it... - It's like watching a mid-life crisis taking place in front of my very eyes. - Noel God knows that I love u whit all my heart... But what the hell is this shit? - We've just lost Noel...welcome Bono gallagher... - Sorry, but this is weak Noel, we all know you can do better then this rock-electro-flute. - What the hell happened to him? - stupid song stupid lyrics , stupid dance sound it's not rock n' roll - I loved Noel until I heard this. WTF happened? - What is this ?? - WTF is this Noel... ? - Where's the rock i expected to find? - What happened with you Noel?! Is this what your 50 years of age crisis brought up? - Oh my God, this is HORRIBLE and EMBARRASSING. Enough of the psychedelic crap - it's 2017. - wtf?! back in the 90's noel would have puked when he need to listen to this kind of music. - Noel your one of the best songwriters of all time . I listen to oasis tracks as I'm working 20 years later but I'm afraid this song isn't you at all . It seems to me that, yes, a lot of people are not liking this song because it sounds different. 1. Psychedelic? If they think this is psychedelic, they'd probably get a heart attack if they'd hear actual psychedelic music. 2. Ever heard a U2 song that sounds like this? Me neither, so that Bono Gallagher thing makes no sense either. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 13, 2017 11:38:26 GMT -5
Wait 6 weeks and I'll tell you? This place is going crazy. People are now getting angru an album they haven't heard yet might not sound like the bits they have heard? This hurts my head. While others are complaining holy mountain is too weird and not typical Noel. You couldn't make it up. Nobody is going crazy and nobody is getting angry. We heard 2 minutes and 30 seconds of music from the new album and I was like, ok, so he is going in that direction. My question was, will this album be good or not? Few days ago we heard Holy Mountain which is 4 minutes long so now we heard 6 minutes and 30 seconds of music from Who Built The Moon? After those 6 minutes and 30 seconds I still don't know whether this album is good or not but also there is a new question - Do we even know what will be the sound of the new album? I thought I was sure about that after that album preview and now I'm not sure anymore. So, I was interested what others think and people are talking normally. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 13, 2017 12:02:03 GMT -5
Wait 6 weeks and I'll tell you? This place is going crazy. People are now getting angru an album they haven't heard yet might not sound like the bits they have heard? This hurts my head. While others are complaining holy mountain is too weird and not typical Noel. You couldn't make it up. We heard 2 minutes and 30 seconds of music from the new album and I was like, ok, so he is going in that direction. My question was, will this album be good or not? No one can answer that question, though. Nor is it really fair to hypothesize. There is lots and lots and lots of music out there so the question I ask myself is not "will this album be good or not?" but is, rather, does what I know about this album interest me enough to give it a listen and then decide whether or not it's good or bad. For me, at the moment at least, if any album has Noel Gallagher's name on the cover, it interests me enough to give it a listen. Now that doesn't mean that will always be the case. There have been many bands over the years whose work always merited a listen because it came from them, and now I am completely uninterested in hearing whatever new thing they put out. |
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 13, 2017 12:10:48 GMT -5
Here's a sample of comments from the Holy Mountain youtube video: - I like Noel and Liam but this just isn’t Noel - The hell happened - Sorry Noel but I think you're losing it... - It's like watching a mid-life crisis taking place in front of my very eyes. - Noel God knows that I love u whit all my heart... But what the hell is this shit? - We've just lost Noel...welcome Bono gallagher... - Sorry, but this is weak Noel, we all know you can do better then this rock-electro-flute. - What the hell happened to him? - stupid song stupid lyrics , stupid dance sound it's not rock n' roll - I loved Noel until I heard this. WTF happened? - What is this ?? - WTF is this Noel... ? - Where's the rock i expected to find? - What happened with you Noel?! Is this what your 50 years of age crisis brought up? - Oh my God, this is HORRIBLE and EMBARRASSING. Enough of the psychedelic crap - it's 2017. - wtf?! back in the 90's noel would have puked when he need to listen to this kind of music. - Noel your one of the best songwriters of all time . I listen to oasis tracks as I'm working 20 years later but I'm afraid this song isn't you at all . It seems to me that, yes, a lot of people are not liking this song because it sounds different. 1. Psychedelic? If they think this is psychedelic, they'd probably get a heart attack if they'd hear actual psychedelic music. 2. Ever heard a U2 song that sounds like this? Me neither, so that Bono Gallagher thing makes no sense either. Exactly. And I was talking people on this forum who don't like it - not idiots on YouTube. I want Noel to do something truly different and great. This is a mash-up of about five different songs we've listed on this site that's little more than pastiche. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 13, 2017 12:16:02 GMT -5
1. Psychedelic? If they think this is psychedelic, they'd probably get a heart attack if they'd hear actual psychedelic music. 2. Ever heard a U2 song that sounds like this? Me neither, so that Bono Gallagher thing makes no sense either. Exactly. And I was talking people on this forum who don't like it - not idiots on YouTube. I want Noel to do something truly different and great. This is a mash-up of about five different songs we've listed on this site that's little more than pastiche. It's easy to characterize people as idiots. The fact is that he's clearly putting out something that's different enough to get the kinds of reactions he's getting. |
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 13, 2017 12:24:58 GMT -5
We heard 2 minutes and 30 seconds of music from the new album and I was like, ok, so he is going in that direction. My question was, will this album be good or not? No one can answer that question, though. Nor is it really fair to hypothesize. There is lots and lots and lots of music out there so the question I ask myself is not "will this album be good or not?" but is, rather, does what I know about this album interest me enough to give it a listen and then decide whether or not it's good or bad. For me, at the moment at least, if any album has Noel Gallagher's name on the cover, it interests me enough to give it a listen. Now that doesn't mean that will always be the case. There have been many bands over the years whose work always merited a listen because it came from them, and now I am completely uninterested in hearing whatever new thing they put out. You are thinking too much. Before As You Were, we didn't have new music from Gallaghers since early 2015. This is Oasis forum, you understand that? Without assumptions, hypothesis...this forum would be dead by now. Of course that we will talk about everything and make assumptions about everything. It's all normal. That's what keeps this forum alive. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 13, 2017 12:43:22 GMT -5
No one can answer that question, though. Nor is it really fair to hypothesize. There is lots and lots and lots of music out there so the question I ask myself is not "will this album be good or not?" but is, rather, does what I know about this album interest me enough to give it a listen and then decide whether or not it's good or bad. For me, at the moment at least, if any album has Noel Gallagher's name on the cover, it interests me enough to give it a listen. Now that doesn't mean that will always be the case. There have been many bands over the years whose work always merited a listen because it came from them, and now I am completely uninterested in hearing whatever new thing they put out. You are thinking too much. Before As You Were, we didn't have new music from Gallaghers since early 2015. This is Oasis forum, you understand that? Without assumptions, hypothesis...this forum would be dead by now. Of course that we will talk about everything and make assumptions about everything. It's all normal. That's what keeps this forum alive. Okay, then, let's put it this way: So far no one has answered your question about whether this album will be good or bad. Since I'm in the wrong, and since this forum is about what you say it's about, why do you think that is? |
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Post by fenderlender on Oct 13, 2017 12:55:36 GMT -5
I see what you mean and your first clip is a really good example of it. However, The Right Stuff and BOTMI actually do sound exactly like those clips. And in the same way I expect Fort Knox and It's a Beautiful World to sound just like on the new trailer.
The only possibly misleading thing I can think of is the French speaking sample ('Attention attention!), and even then it only sounds like a short interlude.
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Post by oasisserbia on Oct 13, 2017 12:58:36 GMT -5
You are thinking too much. Before As You Were, we didn't have new music from Gallaghers since early 2015. This is Oasis forum, you understand that? Without assumptions, hypothesis...this forum would be dead by now. Of course that we will talk about everything and make assumptions about everything. It's all normal. That's what keeps this forum alive. Okay, then, let's put it this way: So far no one has answered your question about whether this album will be good or bad. Since I'm in the wrong, and since this forum is about what you say it's about, why do you think that is? That's not my question. We are discussing, calm down. There are no answers to many things but people discuss about them. Now, let's move on, I don't think that anyone is interested to read this. Cheers ! |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 13, 2017 13:00:06 GMT -5
My question was, will this album be good or not? |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 13, 2017 13:31:13 GMT -5
Trailers are always meant to build anticipation and hype for something, so the only way they tend to trick people is by sounding/looking better than the actual product. With the way Noel has approached this album, i.e. no already written songs, long studio sessions with the producer, I believe this album should be pretty coherent.
By the way, if you listen to the previews again, the first song (Fort Knox?) could easily be the chorus/break between classic Noel verses, and the third sond (Taught Me How to Fly) sounds like classic Noel all around.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 13, 2017 14:09:08 GMT -5
She Taught Me How to Fly sounds gorgeous. Can't wait for that one. The drums!
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 13, 2017 20:41:08 GMT -5
Mate, yer one to talk - you met a girl called Dot! |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 13, 2017 20:42:41 GMT -5
What makes me chuckle is the people saying others don't like it because it's "different and so out there". It really isn't. It's Noels perception of what's psychedelic and "out there", which kinda makes it a bit naff. Here's a sample of comments from the Holy Mountain youtube video: - I like Noel and Liam but this just isn’t Noel - The hell happened - Sorry Noel but I think you're losing it... - It's like watching a mid-life crisis taking place in front of my very eyes. - Noel God knows that I love u whit all my heart... But what the hell is this shit? - We've just lost Noel...welcome Bono gallagher... - Sorry, but this is weak Noel, we all know you can do better then this rock-electro-flute. - What the hell happened to him? - stupid song stupid lyrics , stupid dance sound it's not rock n' roll - I loved Noel until I heard this. WTF happened? - What is this ?? - WTF is this Noel... ? - Where's the rock i expected to find? - What happened with you Noel?! Is this what your 50 years of age crisis brought up? - Oh my God, this is HORRIBLE and EMBARRASSING. Enough of the psychedelic crap - it's 2017. - wtf?! back in the 90's noel would have puked when he need to listen to this kind of music. - Noel your one of the best songwriters of all time . I listen to oasis tracks as I'm working 20 years later but I'm afraid this song isn't you at all . It seems to me that, yes, a lot of people are not liking this song because it sounds different. I don't get this, or the other like-minded critique of Holy Mountain. Frankly, I can't understand why Oasis fans don't like HM, but I'll respect that....That being said, HM is most certainly Noel Gallagher. It has Noel written all over it. |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 13, 2017 21:38:41 GMT -5
I hope I haven't confused anyone into thinking that the views that I copied from youtube are my own. They're not. I think the song is great. However, one thing that I am saying is that I think it is difficult to make the claim that this song is just the "same old, same old" which people have started saying here. Yes, it's still identifiably a Noel Gallagher song but it is far from his usual sound, in my view. That said, I would also reject the premise that Noel has always sounded the same on everything before Holy Mountain.
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Post by matt on Oct 13, 2017 22:13:09 GMT -5
I don't get where this perception came from that those who like it think it's 'experimental'. I don't think anyone has said that. What we do want is songs that don't have the life sapped out of them and a sound which is re-energised - now that is very different to what we've heard from recent years.
So it is undoubtedly different for Noel, especially to what we've got for the last 17 years, and its bizarre how the OP said it's a 'typical Noel track'. It's uptempo to the max and the sonic palette has widened - a very colourful song compared to the relatively drab songs and albums the Gallaghers have released since 2000.
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Post by neila83 on Oct 13, 2017 23:50:36 GMT -5
I don't get where this perception came from that those who like it think it's 'experimental'. I don't think anyone has said that. What we do want is songs that don't have the life sapped out of them and a sound which is re-energised - now that is very different to what we've heard from recent years. So it is undoubtedly different for Noel, especially to what we've got for the last 17 years, and its bizarre how the OP said it's a 'typical Noel track'. It's uptempo to the max and the sonic palette has widened - a very colourful song compared to the relatively drab songs and albums the Gallaghers have released since 2000. I agree, even Noel himself played down how experimental it was a good while ago. I get the impression some people are basing their opinion of the song on what they read here before hand, rather than taking it on its own merit. For me, it's a cracking song, that takes a great melody, and makes it exhilarating instead of dampening it, like some of post 2000 stuff. For me it's way better than anythingon AYW, melodically and musically. I can't listen to incredibly dull music, however good the voice. |
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Post by dampcottage on Oct 14, 2017 10:07:49 GMT -5
i was thinking more or less the same thing a few days ago,i dont think it will be the huge departure some people think,more like a fresh layer added,noels "traditional" songwriting skills with a fresh feel,they did a great job building anticipation with the preview video,holy mountain seems to be loved and hated equally,but what did we expect?love it or hate it what it has done is get a reaction,and that has to be a good start!
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Post by matt on Oct 14, 2017 10:15:36 GMT -5
I don't get where this perception came from that those who like it think it's 'experimental'. I don't think anyone has said that. What we do want is songs that don't have the life sapped out of them and a sound which is re-energised - now that is very different to what we've heard from recent years. So it is undoubtedly different for Noel, especially to what we've got for the last 17 years, and its bizarre how the OP said it's a 'typical Noel track'. It's uptempo to the max and the sonic palette has widened - a very colourful song compared to the relatively drab songs and albums the Gallaghers have released since 2000. I agree, even Noel himself played down how experimental it was a good while ago. I get the impression some people are basing their opinion of the song on what they read here before hand, rather than taking it on its own merit. For me, it's a cracking song, that takes a great melody, and makes it exhilarating instead of dampening it, like some of post 2000 stuff. For me it's way better than anythingon AYW, melodically and musically. I can't listen to incredibly dull music, however good the voice. I really like As You Were, it was the album I was hoping Beady Eye would make for their first album (what was the name again....). I knew what I was going to get, a bit like a Travis album, it's not going to blow me away but there's always a place on my shelf for that kind of straight up conventional pop songwriting, and that's what it is. An overall pleasantness and feeling of content that other music doesn't provide. Noel's new song is much better than anything on Liam's new album though - it's a blast of fresh air, it grabs you by the scruff of your neck and doesn't give a fuck. That's a surprise because Liam's album is on a similar quality to Noel's solo output so far, so I was expecting similar quality wise considering the recent trend but the new song feels like Noel has really loosened up and spread his wings. |
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Post by Godlike on Oct 14, 2017 10:20:51 GMT -5
I agree, even Noel himself played down how experimental it was a good while ago. I get the impression some people are basing their opinion of the song on what they read here before hand, rather than taking it on its own merit. For me, it's a cracking song, that takes a great melody, and makes it exhilarating instead of dampening it, like some of post 2000 stuff. For me it's way better than anythingon AYW, melodically and musically. I can't listen to incredibly dull music, however good the voice. I really like As You Were, it was the album I was hoping Beady Eye would make for their first album (what was the name again....). I knew what I was going to get, a bit like a Travis album, it's not going to blow me away but there's always a place on my shelf for that kind of straight up conventional pop songwriting, and that's what it is. An overall pleasantness and feeling of content that other music doesn't provide. Noel's new song is much better than anything on Liam's new album though - it's a blast of fresh air, it grabs you by the scruff of your neck and doesn't give a fuck. That's a surprise because Liam's album is on a similar quality to Noel's solo output so far, so I was expecting similar quality wise considering the recent trend but the new song feels like Noel has really loosened up and spread his wings. You should be noel's publicist |
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Post by durk on Oct 14, 2017 10:24:14 GMT -5
i dunno but i hope NG drops a new single quick.
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Post by MacaRonic on Oct 14, 2017 13:40:34 GMT -5
love it or hate it what it has done is get a reaction,and that has to be a good start! Not for the people who hate it. I love the preview video. At first i didn't know what I was hearing but each clip has grown on me and then I found myself looking forward to Noel's album even more so than Liam's album which was only days away at that stage. But then I heard the single and it dampened my anticipation. I don't know what to think now, but months ago I did say that Noel's record will be the same old stuff with fresh production techniques and maybe I was right. We can only wait. |
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Post by ninestonecowboy on Oct 16, 2017 13:53:15 GMT -5
What makes me chuckle is the people saying others don't like it because it's "different and so out there". It really isn't. It's Noels perception of what's psychedelic and "out there", which kinda makes it a bit naff. Indeed. Noel's idea of psychedelia is about as safe as it gets. Even the clips from the album preview still sound fairly safe and generic, just a little bit different for Noel. I think some people need to explore some more music if they think any of Noel's music is "out there". The fact is Noel is much closer to something like Travis or Coldplay than he is to any form of psychedelic music. Anyway, it probably wouldn't be that wise for him to stray TOO far from what he's good at either and just bring new elements to the sound, which is what i imagine it will be. You still have to play to your strengths somewhat. So i don't think it'll be quite as "experimental" as many people are thinking. It'll still be based around fairly basic Noel-esque songs, and i don't mean that in a bad way as i'm sure he would agree. |
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