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Post by freddy838 on Dec 7, 2017 7:19:01 GMT -5
What is everyone on about? It does seem a bit weird that there is such vociferous debate on a thread that basically should be factual, I.e. the album sold x amount and is number x in the chart |
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Post by Mean Mrs. Mustard on Dec 7, 2017 7:39:45 GMT -5
I don't see a debate, just pointless whining.
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Post by ariananana on Dec 7, 2017 8:24:08 GMT -5
Why are you overreacting over an album that debuted at #1 and hasn't even been out for 2 weeks? I guess you didn't get the memo. This album cycle has been a colossal failure. Noel will probably need to borrow money from the bank to payoff debut from this tour. I wonder if he can co-write songs with Holmes and Paul Weller. Dark times. Dark fucking times.  Well in all fairness, we all agree that the likes of Liam and Noel do not make money off album sales, Noel may get more on the return since he doesn’t have to pay a bunch of people per sale but you have to sell millions at this point to make a dollar. Where they do make money is the touring. Noel hasn’t sold out many of the venues yet which is a bit upsetting- even in the UK at this point which i find shocking. I think he thought since he was opening for a sold out U2 tour that the enthusiasm would cross over but that’s proven to be not true. Those VIP packages really messed him up for the US market too. The last two times Noel played NYC, it sold out within half hour - this time there are still seats available last time I checked (however that was two weeks ago) we will have to see what happens closer to the dates... maybe they lower ticket prices or move to smaller venue. Noel wouldn’t be happy about either I’m sure |
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Post by ariananana on Dec 7, 2017 8:55:18 GMT -5
I guess you didn't get the memo. This album cycle has been a colossal failure. Noel will probably need to borrow money from the bank to payoff debut from this tour. I wonder if he can co-write songs with Holmes and Paul Weller. Dark times. Dark fucking times. Well in all fairness, we all agree that the likes of Liam and Noel do not make money off album sales, Noel may get more on the return since he doesn’t have to pay a bunch of people per sale but you have to sell millions at this point to make a dollar. Where they do make money is the touring. Noel hasn’t sold out many of the venues yet which is a bit upsetting- even in the UK at this point which i find shocking. I think he thought since he was opening for a sold out U2 tour that the enthusiasm would cross over but that’s proven to be not true. Those VIP packages really messed him up for the US market too. The last two times Noel played NYC, it sold out within half hour - this time there are still seats available last time I checked (however that was two weeks ago) we will have to see what happens closer to the dates... maybe they lower ticket prices or move to smaller venue. Noel wouldn’t be happy about either I’m sure And just checked, loads of tickets available for nyc and many US dates. Also Ireland, UK and Europe still tickets available. :/ |
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 7, 2017 9:04:05 GMT -5
Well in all fairness, we all agree that the likes of Liam and Noel do not make money off album sales, Noel may get more on the return since he doesn’t have to pay a bunch of people per sale but you have to sell millions at this point to make a dollar. Where they do make money is the touring. Noel hasn’t sold out many of the venues yet which is a bit upsetting- even in the UK at this point which i find shocking. I think he thought since he was opening for a sold out U2 tour that the enthusiasm would cross over but that’s proven to be not true. Those VIP packages really messed him up for the US market too. The last two times Noel played NYC, it sold out within half hour - this time there are still seats available last time I checked (however that was two weeks ago) we will have to see what happens closer to the dates... maybe they lower ticket prices or move to smaller venue. Noel wouldn’t be happy about either I’m sure And just checked, loads of tickets available for nyc and many US dates. Also Ireland, UK and Europe still tickets available. :/ He's milked the UK dry already. Too many shows in the past few years. |
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Post by freddy838 on Dec 7, 2017 9:08:12 GMT -5
And just checked, loads of tickets available for nyc and many US dates. Also Ireland, UK and Europe still tickets available. :/ He's milked the UK dry already. Too many shows in the past few years. Regardless, with new material to play you'd think demand would be at its highest right about now. |
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Post by frogerz on Dec 7, 2017 9:15:06 GMT -5
The UK tour also 'sold' less as the lead booker has to be present with the tickets. That means all the tour sites wouldn't have been able to snap them up straight away.
As the tour is so far away it's probably put a few people off until they know they can definitely go. As you don't want to be stuck with tickets you can't sell.
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Post by SupernovaLBL on Dec 7, 2017 9:34:15 GMT -5
The simplest way to objectively measure the quality of a record is album sales. As we know, however, the positive impact of a record on the fans of an artist or band is at least as important as what is reflected in sales, probably moreso for someone in Noel's position.
In part, Noel's record isn't doing that well because it's not receiving as positive acclaim among fans as his last couple records. Add this to a declining interest among the public and the result is that fans who love the record are going to be defensive.
Isn't it entirely reasonable to say that this record is mediocre by public standards, alright among fans, liked by critics and absolutely loved by some fans?
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 7, 2017 9:52:08 GMT -5
I guess you didn't get the memo. This album cycle has been a colossal failure. Noel will probably need to borrow money from the bank to payoff debut from this tour. I wonder if he can co-write songs with Holmes and Paul Weller. Dark times. Dark fucking times. Well in all fairness, we all agree that the likes of Liam and Noel do not make money off album sales, Noel may get more on the return since he doesn’t have to pay a bunch of people per sale but you have to sell millions at this point to make a dollar. Where they do make money is the touring. Noel hasn’t sold out many of the venues yet which is a bit upsetting- even in the UK at this point which i find shocking. I think he thought since he was opening for a sold out U2 tour that the enthusiasm would cross over but that’s proven to be not true. Those VIP packages really messed him up for the US market too. The last two times Noel played NYC, it sold out within half hour - this time there are still seats available last time I checked (however that was two weeks ago) we will have to see what happens closer to the dates... maybe they lower ticket prices or move to smaller venue. Noel wouldn’t be happy about either I’m sure Totally agree. Noel is playing venues in the USA that are too big for him. Radio City is awesome idea but a vast venue for a guy like Noel in America. I’m still scratching my head over that lame VIP nonsense. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 7, 2017 9:54:02 GMT -5
I think it’s pent up revenge for the Beady Eye bashings Of 2011-2014. At least you acknowledge what it was. Its a start. Pretty obvious. Especially with members saying that’s why they are bashing Noel’s chart performance. Just go back thru the 40 pages. Plenty are ripping Moons chart success. |
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Post by supernovastar94 on Dec 7, 2017 10:03:58 GMT -5
The simplest way to objectively measure the quality of a record is album sales. As we know, however, the positive impact of a record on the fans of an artist or band is at least as important as what is reflected in sales, probably moreso for someone in Noel's position. In part, Noel's record isn't doing that well because it's not receiving as positive acclaim among fans as his last couple records. Add this to a declining interest among the public and the result is that fans who love the record are going to be defensive. Isn't it entirely reasonable to say that this record is mediocre by public standards, alright among fans, liked by critics and absolutely loved by some fans? Hahahahahahahaha |
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Post by chamu on Dec 7, 2017 10:19:34 GMT -5
Spain: WBTM debuts at #34
Shockingly low chart considering Liam debuted at #4 only two months ago...
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Post by joladella on Dec 7, 2017 10:31:43 GMT -5
He made no. 15 in Austria. Liam was no. 12. Part of the difference could be my fault, I bought Liam 3 times first week and Noel only twice, sorry about that!  www.austriancharts.at/charts/alben |
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Post by DCUnited on Dec 7, 2017 10:50:29 GMT -5
48 in the US
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Post by sfsorrow on Dec 7, 2017 10:53:26 GMT -5
The simplest way to objectively measure the quality of a record is album sales. As we know, however, the positive impact of a record on the fans of an artist or band is at least as important as what is reflected in sales, probably moreso for someone in Noel's position. In part, Noel's record isn't doing that well because it's not receiving as positive acclaim among fans as his last couple records. Add this to a declining interest among the public and the result is that fans who love the record are going to be defensive. Isn't it entirely reasonable to say that this record is mediocre by public standards, alright among fans, liked by critics and absolutely loved by some fans? It is hard to say anything when we are two weeks into the album being released, I think. If you look at, say, The Beach Boys' album Pet Sounds when it was released, it was critically well received and its sales were comparatively worse than any previous Beach Boys record. Over time, though, I believe it has gone on to be the biggest selling Beach Boys record outside of greatest hits comps like Endless Summer and that's partly because it is a slow-burn, it was not really an album of its time, and also because there has been 50 years of people calling it the greatest album of all time. I don't think WBTM will quite reach those heights but I don't think we can assess its popularity in any objective way when we are two weeks in. I'm not one for making predictions but I wouldn't be surprised if, in the long run, WBTM outsold an album like Chasing Yesterday. I could very well be wrong but it seems to me that WBTM has legs in a way that CY doesn't. |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Dec 7, 2017 10:55:39 GMT -5
I guess you didn't get the memo. This album cycle has been a colossal failure. Noel will probably need to borrow money from the bank to payoff debut from this tour. I wonder if he can co-write songs with Holmes and Paul Weller. Dark times. Dark fucking times. Well in all fairness, we all agree that the likes of Liam and Noel do not make money off album sales, Noel may get more on the return since he doesn’t have to pay a bunch of people per sale but you have to sell millions at this point to make a dollar. Where they do make money is the touring. Noel hasn’t sold out many of the venues yet which is a bit upsetting- even in the UK at this point which i find shocking. I think he thought since he was opening for a sold out U2 tour that the enthusiasm would cross over but that’s proven to be not true. Those VIP packages really messed him up for the US market too. The last two times Noel played NYC, it sold out within half hour - this time there are still seats available last time I checked (however that was two weeks ago) we will have to see what happens closer to the dates... maybe they lower ticket prices or move to smaller venue. Noel wouldn’t be happy about either I’m sure I don't know about the US, but as someone who has travelled to see Noel live in Europe in their last tours, I would say he is selling tickets more or less at the same rate as always. I have been checking many of the gigs in Europe to choose the most convenient places/dates to fly, and I don't see any significant difference with the CY or the NGHFB tour. And you should not always believe that "sold-out in minutes" news. I remember that when the CY arena tour in the UK was announced, the NME and other newspapers announced it had sold-out in minutes, and then I and many other members of this forum were happily buying our tickets weeks after that. I have also read that Liam's tour sold in minutes, when the reality is that there were tickets available weeks after. And, regarding the money made on tours, I would not go that way if what you want is drawing a favourable comparison for Liam, because Noel is going to make loads of money also from Liam's tour, because he wrote more than half of the songs Liam is singing in those gigs. I don't know about the UK, but in most countries between 5% and 10% of the tickets money goes directly to the authors. Do the numbers |
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Post by mossy on Dec 7, 2017 11:02:23 GMT -5
The simplest way to objectively measure the quality of a record is album sales. As we know, however, the positive impact of a record on the fans of an artist or band is at least as important as what is reflected in sales, probably moreso for someone in Noel's position. In part, Noel's record isn't doing that well because it's not receiving as positive acclaim among fans as his last couple records. Add this to a declining interest among the public and the result is that fans who love the record are going to be defensive. Isn't it entirely reasonable to say that this record is mediocre by public standards, alright among fans, liked by critics and absolutely loved by some fans? Hahahahahahahaha Please don't tell Celine you think sales don't equal quality. X  |
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Post by LlAM on Dec 7, 2017 11:02:33 GMT -5
I think it’s pent up revenge for the Beady Eye bashings Of 2011-2014. At least you acknowledge what it was. Its a start. Well, their debut was shite if that's what you mean |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 7, 2017 11:10:10 GMT -5
At least you acknowledge what it was. Its a start. Well, their debut was shite if that's what you mean It’s funny that in the year 2017, Beady Eye apologists are still a thing. It’s ironic because that band failing was a good thing. Got Liam and his fans to where they always wanted to be. A solo and successful Liam. That wasn’t gonna transpire with LAG no matter how hard they tried. |
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Post by batfink30 on Dec 7, 2017 11:11:06 GMT -5
He's milked the UK dry already. Too many shows in the past few years. Regardless, with new material to play you'd think demand would be at its highest right about now. If he hadnt played for 5 years people would be all over the shows, I've lost count of how many times he's played near me for example over the past few years, must be 4 or 5. Shelling out another couple of hundred quid on tickets for 2 people gets waring. He's milked the market dry. |
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Post by lau on Dec 7, 2017 11:53:57 GMT -5
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Post by LlAM on Dec 7, 2017 11:57:56 GMT -5
Well, their debut was shite if that's what you mean It’s funny that in the year 2017, Beady Eye apologists are still a thing. It’s ironic because that band failing was a good thing. Got Liam and his fans to where they always wanted to be. A solo and successful Liam. That wasn’t gonna transpire with LAG no matter how hard they tried. I totally agree. Beady Eye was always destined to fail. They were always going to be compared to Oasis and there was no chance in hell they could recapture the sound or quality of output without Noel. Especially not when they kept on recording songs that were scrapped in Oasis and played lackluster live versions of Oasis classics, practically making them an Oasis tribute band. I don't think it was a bad idea though, cos in some ways it cleaned the palette for Liam and brought him were he is now. |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 7, 2017 12:05:17 GMT -5
Interesting how close the numbers are for America. I guess that is all that is left of the hardcore Oasis fans in the USA. About 12-14K of us ready to buy the albums. Loyal bunch. |
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Post by spaneli on Dec 7, 2017 12:20:59 GMT -5
Interesting how close the numbers are for America. I guess that is all that is left of the hardcore Oasis fans in the USA. About 12-14K of us ready to buy the albums. Loyal bunch. Noel caught up big time in the rest of the world. Overall, they're same artist  |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Dec 7, 2017 12:38:23 GMT -5
Interesting how close the numbers are for America. I guess that is all that is left of the hardcore Oasis fans in the USA. About 12-14K of us ready to buy the albums. Loyal bunch. Noel caught up big time in the rest of the world. Overall, they're same artist Stop moving the goal posts. It’s pathetic! |
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