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Post by matt on Oct 13, 2017 17:36:09 GMT -5
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Oct 13, 2017 17:38:10 GMT -5
He still got this black american express card probably so he'll be fine. Why yes, but I prefer the term African-American Express. As you were |
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Post by Godlike on Oct 13, 2017 17:49:50 GMT -5
Watch the video that's where I get it from.. does anyone realize how butt hurt people get when anyone says anything about the chief it's fucking insane!! I don't think anyone cares about discussing his voice. There actually could be things said about Noel's voice and its relative strength at this point. That's obvious criticism. But you're making up a fantasy storyline that somehow Liam's success affects Noel's vocal....half way around the world. That's actually what's insane. I wasn't talking about his vocal I was making the point that for the first time I've ever seen him look nervous and unsure of himself |
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Post by Godlike on Oct 13, 2017 17:52:08 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video Hilarious. I love how music discussion is relegated to yet another shitpost towards a petty and immature Noel v Liam debate. Worryingly, it all comes off as very insecure and paranoid too from the Liam fanboys. Grow up. Liam's got a very good album out. Now just go away and listen to that and stop trolling this section of the forum. I actually prefer noel over liam so your point is shit! I was just pointing something out knowing I was gonna get backlash cuz the people on here are fucking obsessed with noel and anything said that doesn't kiss his ass is trolling but if I said shit about liam u guys would licking my ass basically |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 13, 2017 17:52:34 GMT -5
Fucking hell, this is great song. Noisy, vibrant, colourful, and just bursting at the seams with joy. Crank it RIGHT up on headphones and you just can't help but dance and sing like madman at a carnival.
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Post by Godlike on Oct 13, 2017 17:54:49 GMT -5
Fucking hell, this is great song. Noisy, vibrant, colourful, and just bursting at the seams with joy. Crank it RIGHT up on headphones and you just can't help but dance and sing like madman at a carnival. For the record I do like HM wish the guitars were turned up more but either way is a catchy tune and sounds mega live |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 13, 2017 17:55:06 GMT -5
I'd love to hear them. Even more than the AA stuff. It is a fascinating collaboration on paper, but I'm going to give Noel the benefit of the doubt here when he said 'it was like trying to polish a turd'. Why? Well the songs that were tried out were largely ones that ended up on Don't Believe The Truth, including the risible A Bell Will Ring. And you can whitewash some electronica on to that, and it wouldn't make a difference, because at the heart of it is an absolutely terrible song typical of Gem's efforts. Also I think Love Like A Bomb was tried out - a really nice pleasant song (shame about Liam's vocals) but not one that is suitable for attempting something different. True, even a Death In Vegas sound would have been better than the dinosaur Dave Sardy but at the heart of it would have just been a traditional Oasis album with perhaps electronic/psychedelic paraphernalia tacked on to the songs. Now let's get one thing straight - I was desperate for the Amorphous Androgynous sessions. I was beginning to get bored out of my skull with the same old same old retreads of past glories from Noel, to the point that I was desperate for change just for change sake. And I feel my perceptions were misled because at this time, I am personally starting to doubt myself about the Amorphous Androgynous sessions. Were they doing similar and just taking traditionally paced mid tempo songs and sticking on a load of interesting sounds on to it? And if not, were they taking it in a completely different direction unrecognisable to Noel to the point where it wasn't his work anymore (as hinted by Mike Rowe)? The reason I doubt the quality of the AA sessions is simply because of what we are currently hearing from Noel's collaboration with David Holmes. Holmes has made it clear that the structure of the song is vital to the true essence of it, and his determination to start the songwriting process from scratch and guide Noel from there into different rhythms or melodic ideas is exactly what any producer should have done with Noel and Oasis. He could very well have produced Chasing Yesterday, but he knew he'd only be adding decoration to the songs. From what we've heard so far, it makes it all the more obvious that Holmes is really making Noel do something different, as opposed to just dressing up a traditional Noel song in a different way. His methods in the creative process whereby he's with Noel every step of the way means that there is real substance to this change, rather than merely a synthetic product. That is why this new stuff sounds so refreshing and vibrant because it really is nothing we've heard from Noel before. The AA saga has always come off as a session filled with good intentions and miscommunication. While Noel still comes off as an idiot for saying that he "destroyed" the tapes, a clumsy lie by Noel to make the press stop asking him, I've always taken him at his word that the sessions weren't that good. We saw it with Holmes. There's an interview where Noel admits to Holmes that if their collaboration looked like it wasn't working out, then he would have scrapped it and used Chasing Yesterday as a backup. Imo, that's exactly what happened with the AA work. Noel may have been beaming at the press conference, but for once, he had time to listen to an album and judge it in context...and he probably sent to people who he trusted who said that it wasn't that good. I believe that the work he had been so proud of with the AA quickly turned sour when after being away from it for a few months and listening to it, he realized he had not made the album that he wanted to at the quality that he wanted. For me, I've always gone back to the fact that he decided to completely shelve that project. The DIV sessions were in their infancy. That's an easy decision to shelve and leave, but AA was clearly in the latter stages. That's even more difficult. That's a lot of time and money wasted for all parties. It's never made sense to me that he would waste that for no reason. That he ate the loss for it. Because if it truly was a great album, then he would have released it. Even with the success of HFB's, if the AA sessions were good, then surely it would have only added to his success. And surely, the success of HFB's would have only given him more cover. Instead, he shelved it. And in the end, the only way that the AA album would have killed the momentum given to him by the success of HFB's is if it wasn't that good. I mean, his most successful single from that album was WAL, and Noel did realize that people wanted something different from him. That's why we got Chasing Yesterday. So, it's never made sense to me that he was afraid that an out there album would kill his sales. Instead, it makes more sense that a bad or only average out there album would kill his sales. For me, the tangle of the AA sessions has always been an Occam's Razor. In a confusing scenario the simplest reason is usually the best. In this case, the simplest explanation has always been that the sessions just weren't good enough. That has always been the overwhelmingly easiest solution that answers every single question. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 13, 2017 17:55:58 GMT -5
I don't think anyone cares about discussing his voice. There actually could be things said about Noel's voice and its relative strength at this point. That's obvious criticism. But you're making up a fantasy storyline that somehow Liam's success affects Noel's vocal....half way around the world. That's actually what's insane. I wasn't talking about his vocal I was making the point that for the first time I've ever seen him look nervous and unsure of himself I think you should look at the first HFB's tour.  |
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Post by pedrobrasil on Oct 13, 2017 17:59:42 GMT -5
You could take the charts results and accept that the song wasn't well received.It is not just the Liam's fanboys. |
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Post by matt on Oct 13, 2017 18:01:55 GMT -5
It is a fascinating collaboration on paper, but I'm going to give Noel the benefit of the doubt here when he said 'it was like trying to polish a turd'. Why? Well the songs that were tried out were largely ones that ended up on Don't Believe The Truth, including the risible A Bell Will Ring. And you can whitewash some electronica on to that, and it wouldn't make a difference, because at the heart of it is an absolutely terrible song typical of Gem's efforts. Also I think Love Like A Bomb was tried out - a really nice pleasant song (shame about Liam's vocals) but not one that is suitable for attempting something different. True, even a Death In Vegas sound would have been better than the dinosaur Dave Sardy but at the heart of it would have just been a traditional Oasis album with perhaps electronic/psychedelic paraphernalia tacked on to the songs. Now let's get one thing straight - I was desperate for the Amorphous Androgynous sessions. I was beginning to get bored out of my skull with the same old same old retreads of past glories from Noel, to the point that I was desperate for change just for change sake. And I feel my perceptions were misled because at this time, I am personally starting to doubt myself about the Amorphous Androgynous sessions. Were they doing similar and just taking traditionally paced mid tempo songs and sticking on a load of interesting sounds on to it? And if not, were they taking it in a completely different direction unrecognisable to Noel to the point where it wasn't his work anymore (as hinted by Mike Rowe)? The reason I doubt the quality of the AA sessions is simply because of what we are currently hearing from Noel's collaboration with David Holmes. Holmes has made it clear that the structure of the song is vital to the true essence of it, and his determination to start the songwriting process from scratch and guide Noel from there into different rhythms or melodic ideas is exactly what any producer should have done with Noel and Oasis. He could very well have produced Chasing Yesterday, but he knew he'd only be adding decoration to the songs. From what we've heard so far, it makes it all the more obvious that Holmes is really making Noel do something different, as opposed to just dressing up a traditional Noel song in a different way. His methods in the creative process whereby he's with Noel every step of the way means that there is real substance to this change, rather than merely a synthetic product. That is why this new stuff sounds so refreshing and vibrant because it really is nothing we've heard from Noel before. The AA saga has always come off as a session filled with good intentions and miscommunication. While Noel still comes off as an idiot for saying that he "destroyed" the tapes, a clumsy lie by Noel to make the press stop asking him, I've always taken him at his word that the sessions weren't that good. We saw it with Holmes. There's an interview where Noel admits to Holmes that if their collaboration looked like it wasn't working out, then he would have scrapped it and used Chasing Yesterday as a backup. Imo, that's exactly what happened with the AA work. Noel may have been beaming at the press conference, but for once, he had time to listen to an album and judge it in context...and he probably sent to people who he trusted who said that it wasn't that good. I believe that the work he had been so proud of with the AA quickly turned sour when after being away from it for a few months and listening to it, he realized he had not made the album that he wanted to at the quality that he wanted. For me, I've always gone back to the fact that he decided to completely shelve that project. The DIV sessions were in their infancy. That's an easy decision to shelve and leave, but AA was clearly in the latter stages. That's even more difficult. That's a lot of time and money wasted for all parties. It's never made sense to me that he would waste that for no reason. That he ate the loss for it. Because if it truly was a great album, then he would have released it. Even with the success of HFB's, if the AA sessions were good, then surely it would have only added to his success. And surely, the success of HFB's would have only given him more cover. Instead, he shelved it. And in the end, the only way that the AA album would have killed the momentum given to him by the success of HFB's is if it wasn't that good. I mean, his most successful single from that album was WAL, and Noel did realize that people wanted something different from him. That's why we got Chasing Yesterday. So, it's never made sense to me that he was afraid that an out there album would kill his sales. Instead, it makes more sense that a bad or only average out there album would kill his sales. For me, the tangle of the AA sessions has always been an Occam's Razor. In a confusing scenario the simplest reason is usually the best. In this case, the simplest explanation has always been that the sessions just weren't good enough. That has always been the overwhelmingly easiest solution that answers every single question. Fair play to you spaneli, you did always state that and it seems you were right. And I am inclined to believe Noel now as he has followed through with the Holmes project. My general accusation after the scrapped sessions was that this proved once and for all he didn't have the balls to do anything different to freshen up a stale sound. He is doing that and the result so far is absolutely incredible, much to my shock. Holy Mountain isn't just fun and euphoric to me, it's the realisation of something which I never thought would happen. Something different, something fresh and reinvigorating was something I was after and I got it this week. It's one of my favourite ever music releases ever, particularly when you know the whole backstory to his career! |
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Post by Godlike on Oct 13, 2017 18:02:08 GMT -5
I wasn't talking about his vocal I was making the point that for the first time I've ever seen him look nervous and unsure of himself I think you should look at the first HFB's tour. Lol 😁 true but isn't that to be expected kinda since it was the first time really he was front and center |
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Post by matt on Oct 13, 2017 18:03:26 GMT -5
You could take the charts results and accept that the song wasn't well received.It is not just the Liam's fanboys. Yeah, because the charts are fucking loaded with great music aren't they....  |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 13, 2017 18:04:28 GMT -5
I think you should look at the first HFB's tour. Lol 😁 true but isn't that to be expected kinda since it was the first time really he was front and center First time he's playing stadiums front in center, not to his own audience, and with U2 who have a far bigger stage set-up and presence than Noel. Him being nervous around that makes far more sense. |
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Post by Headmaster on Oct 13, 2017 18:05:31 GMT -5
I'd love to hear them. Even more than the AA stuff. It is a fascinating collaboration on paper, but I'm going to give Noel the benefit of the doubt here when he said 'it was like trying to polish a turd'. Why? Well the songs that were tried out were largely ones that ended up on Don't Believe The Truth, including the risible A Bell Will Ring. And you can whitewash some electronica on to that, and it wouldn't make a difference, because at the heart of it is an absolutely terrible song typical of Gem's efforts. Also I think Love Like A Bomb was tried out - a really nice pleasant song (shame about Liam's vocals) but not one that is suitable for attempting something different. True, even a Death In Vegas sound would have been better than the dinosaur Dave Sardy but at the heart of it would have just been a traditional Oasis album with perhaps electronic/psychedelic paraphernalia tacked on to the songs. Now let's get one thing straight - I was desperate for the Amorphous Androgynous sessions. I was beginning to get bored out of my skull with the same old same old retreads of past glories from Noel, to the point that I was desperate for change just for change sake. And I feel my perceptions were misled because at this time, I am personally starting to doubt myself about the Amorphous Androgynous sessions. Were they doing similar and just taking traditionally paced mid tempo songs and sticking on a load of interesting sounds on to it? And if not, were they taking it in a completely different direction unrecognisable to Noel to the point where it wasn't his work anymore (as hinted by Mike Rowe)? The reason I doubt the quality of the AA sessions is simply because of what we are currently hearing from Noel's collaboration with David Holmes. Holmes has made it clear that the structure of the song is vital to the true essence of it, and his determination to start the songwriting process from scratch and guide Noel from there into different rhythms or melodic ideas is exactly what any producer should have done with Noel and Oasis. He could very well have produced Chasing Yesterday, but he knew he'd only be adding decoration to the songs. From what we've heard so far, it makes it all the more obvious that Holmes is really making Noel do something different, as opposed to just dressing up a traditional Noel song in a different way. His methods in the creative process whereby he's with Noel every step of the way means that there is real substance to this change, rather than merely a synthetic product. That is why this new stuff sounds so refreshing and vibrant because it really is nothing we've heard from Noel before. Agree, even Noel at the time said that the songs on DBTT were all too "songy" to be something experimental DIV-like, that is why he abandoned the sessions with DIV, even thou Noel should have hired somebody else instead of Dave for DBTT. Also I doubt the AA sessions would have worked for Noel, Noel colaborations with AA like Shoot a Hole Into The Sun or Fallind Down Remix sounds all over the place, they are too psychedelic to work as proper songs, too alien for Noel, Holy Mountain however is much more a solid piece of experimental music for Noel, Noel is a guitar player not a DJ. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 13, 2017 18:06:02 GMT -5
You could take the charts results and accept that the song wasn't well received.It is not just the Liam's fanboys. The charts have more to do with Noel missing half a week worth of sales by releasing it on a Monday and it receiving almost no promotion. It's not an easy argument to say it charted at #70, therefore people didn't like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 18:09:20 GMT -5
You know, I couldn't care less about the whole childish feud between the brothers, but I believe that Liam should be more careful about what he says. Not because he, deep down, is a good, joyful soul who enjoys acting like a dick for fun, but because some of his fans (the ones who are clearly not Oasis fans) are fucking nuts and might end up killing Noel at some point.
You just have to take a look at the weirdos who reply to his every tweet with "what do you think Rkid thinks of your album? Fuck him, right?" or something similar. I doubt that Liam himself thinks of Noel as much as some of his fans do.
I mean, the way some people even here talk about Noel's manipulation skills make it sound like he's fucking Lex Luthor or something. And it also makes Liam seem like he's a bit of a retard, which I doubt he is. "Look at how Noel (AKA Lucifer) plans his every move to fuck with Liam's soul", "Liam's like a 7 year old in the body of a grown man. He means no harm".
We should never underestimate the psychos...
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Post by Godlike on Oct 13, 2017 18:16:33 GMT -5
You know, I couldn't care less about the whole childish feud between the brothers, but I believe that Liam should be more careful about what he says. Not because he, deep down, is a good, joyful soul who enjoys acting like a dick for fun, but because some of his fans (the ones who are clearly not Oasis fans) are fucking nuts and might end up killing Noel at some point. You just have to take a look at the weirdos who reply to his every tweet with "what do you think Rkid thinks of your album? Fuck him, right?" or something similar. I doubt that Liam himself thinks of Noel as much as some of his fans do. I mean, the way some people even here talk about Noel's manipulation skills make it sound like he's fucking Lex Luthor or something. And it also makes Liam seem like he's a bit of a retard, which I doubt he is. "Look at how Noel (AKA Lucifer) plans his every move to fuck with Liam's soul", "Liam's like a 7 year old in the body of a grown man. He means no harm". We should never underestimate the psychos... Its ok sara 😂 nobody's gonna kill your husband he's a national treasure but your right there are some weirdos out there especially on twitter |
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Post by fenderlender on Oct 13, 2017 18:16:42 GMT -5
You know, I couldn't care less about the whole childish feud between the brothers, but I believe that Liam should be more careful about what he says. Not because he, deep down, is a good, joyful soul who enjoys acting like a dick for fun, but because some of his fans (the ones who are clearly not Oasis fans) are fucking nuts and might end up killing Noel at some point. You just have to take a look at the weirdos who reply to his every tweet with "what do you think Rkid thinks of your album? Fuck him, right?" or something similar. I doubt that Liam himself thinks of Noel as much as some of his fans do. I mean, the way some people even here talk about Noel's manipulation skills make it sound like he's fucking Lex Luthor or something. And it also makes Liam seem like he's a bit of a retard, which I doubt he is. "Look at how Noel (AKA Lucifer) plans his every move to fuck with Liam's soul", "Liam's like a 7 year old in the body of a grown man. He means no harm". We should never underestimate the psychos... I doubt any Oasis fan would try to kill Noel lol, you know they'd cry tears of joy to meet him in person. But it's definitely hilarious how Noel has come to be perceived as such a villain by some. |
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Post by pedrobrasil on Oct 13, 2017 18:16:45 GMT -5
You could take the charts results and accept that the song wasn't well received.It is not just the Liam's fanboys. The charts have more to do with Noel missing half a week worth of sales by releasing it on a Monday and it receiving almost no promotion. It's not an easy argument to say it charted at #70, therefore people didn't like it. He lost only two days.Wall of glass had one day of sale and charted.I think the problem is the song not being good.But will see in the next weeks,maybe I'm wrong and the song will be a hit.Who knows? |
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 13, 2017 18:18:16 GMT -5
It’s pretty clear Noel trusted Holmes far more than Gaz.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 18:19:27 GMT -5
You know, I couldn't care less about the whole childish feud between the brothers, but I believe that Liam should be more careful about what he says. Not because he, deep down, is a good, joyful soul who enjoys acting like a dick for fun, but because some of his fans (the ones who are clearly not Oasis fans) are fucking nuts and might end up killing Noel at some point. You just have to take a look at the weirdos who reply to his every tweet with "what do you think Rkid thinks of your album? Fuck him, right?" or something similar. I doubt that Liam himself thinks of Noel as much as some of his fans do. I mean, the way some people even here talk about Noel's manipulation skills make it sound like he's fucking Lex Luthor or something. And it also makes Liam seem like he's a bit of a retard, which I doubt he is. "Look at how Noel (AKA Lucifer) plans his every move to fuck with Liam's soul", "Liam's like a 7 year old in the body of a grown man. He means no harm". We should never underestimate the psychos... Its ok sara 😂 nobody's gonna kill your husband he's a national treasure but your right there are some weirdos out there especially on twitter  My belly is far from looking like Sara's. But I do think that some people (the crazy ones) tend to see their idols as deities, and when they believe their deities are under attack they do something about it. I don't know, I've met some fucked up people in my life and it's hard for me not to think that some madman might think that Liam is in danger because his evil brother wants to destroy his career. |
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Post by Godlike on Oct 13, 2017 18:21:21 GMT -5
Its ok sara 😂 nobody's gonna kill your husband he's a national treasure but your right there are some weirdos out there especially on twitter My belly is far from looking like Sara's I'm sure you got it going on 😉😁😂 |
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Post by matt on Oct 13, 2017 18:28:04 GMT -5
It’s pretty clear Noel trusted Holmes far more than Gaz. Holmes comes from a similar background to Noel. Both working class, Catholic backgrounds, and you can see Holmes is a kind of salt of the earth person in his interviews with no pretensions about him. Him and Noel can probably relate quite well. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 18:30:21 GMT -5
My belly is far from looking like Sara's Its ok sara 😂 nobody's gonna kill your husband he's a national treasure but your right there are some weirdos out there especially on twitterOh yeah. Twitter is a scary place. |
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Post by headshrinker84 on Oct 13, 2017 18:53:09 GMT -5
Fucking hell, this is great song. Noisy, vibrant, colourful, and just bursting at the seams with joy. Crank it RIGHT up on headphones and you just can't help but dance and sing like madman at a carnival. And then you will go deaf. |
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My belly is far from looking like Sara's. But I do think that some people (the crazy ones) tend to see their idols as deities, and when they believe their deities are under attack they do something about it. I don't know, I've met some fucked up people in my life and it's hard for me not to think that some madman might think that Liam is in danger because his evil brother wants to destroy his career.
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