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Post by matt on Oct 13, 2017 16:09:55 GMT -5
I remember being slightly disappointed when Shock of the Lightning was released. I really liked it, just didn't love it. That was the first album cycle I 'joined' as an Oasis fan, and having indulged in their 90s work to the extreme, I was hoping for more of a melodic anthem of yesteryear. I never appreciated it's punky energetic vibes at the time, and it's only as the years went on that I began to appreciate it as the best lead single since D'You Know What I Mean. Similarities with Holy Mountain in that it's quite 'wordy' and the way Liam spits out the vocals makes it his best vocal performance since Be Here Now. But as said in an earlier post, that 'wordiness' to a few of Noel's tunes gives it that extra punch and vibrancy (heck, just look at the verses of Wonderwall, you could almost rap them!).
And also, as I got older, I started to realise how mid tempo and plodding the majority of Oasis songs from 2000 onwards were, so Shock of the Lightning really does stand out amongst all the blandness. Granted, it's not doing anything they hadn't done before but it doesn't sound like a pale imitation of classic era Oasis and would fit well amongst many of the tunes from that earlier era.
I do think Holy Mountain is catchier and sonically more interesting however - as a fan, I can't ever remember listening to a Gallagher related lead single so much as this one. I've always been a fan of the fun, quirkier and more eccentric side of Oasis and the natural Gallagher charisma, whether that comes through the pure songwriting talent or general persona, makes both brothers pull it off with ease as opposed to looking ridiculous and desperate like talentless and laughable charlatans like Kasabian for example. I think this song does the same, and it's very evidently the case that Noel is writing without a hint of self-consciousness derived from his old songs that had previously crippled his creativity.
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Post by Godlike on Oct 13, 2017 16:25:26 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 16:42:50 GMT -5
After all those threads about Liam's voice and singing we really should have at least one about Noel's voice and singing. He never really had a strong voice, but this is getting worse every tour if you ask me.
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Post by Lennon2217 on Oct 13, 2017 16:59:32 GMT -5
I love how over the top people are about Noel right now. He’s already had 2 #1 albums and sold out tours. Why is he now shaken by Liam? They are both doing their own things and succeeding. That is a good thing. Liam’s success has no impact on Noel or vice versa. In a month noel could have his third #1. Then what will the people say?
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 13, 2017 17:00:12 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video Absolutely incredible. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 13, 2017 17:06:48 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video Absolutely incredible. I don't know where people get this stuff from.... |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Oct 13, 2017 17:10:43 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video I think he started drinking again |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2017 17:12:47 GMT -5
Only thing i can get from that video is that he´s a bit too skinny. There´s getting in shape and there´s over-doing it.
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Post by CFC2013 on Oct 13, 2017 17:12:57 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video Is this a troll post? |
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Post by Godlike on Oct 13, 2017 17:14:56 GMT -5
I don't know where people get this stuff from.... Watch the video that's where I get it from.. does anyone realize how butt hurt people get when anyone says anything about the chief it's fucking insane!! |
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Post by Godlike on Oct 13, 2017 17:15:44 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video Is this a troll post? Not trolling at all it's an honest accessment unlike your posts |
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Post by deadman on Oct 13, 2017 17:16:34 GMT -5
I don't know where people get this stuff from.... Watch the video that's where I get it from.. does anyone realize how butt hurt people get when anyone says anything about the chief it's fucking insane!! The ironic thing is that the YouTube thumbnail shows him more animated onstage as he ever was with Oasis. |
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Post by CFC2013 on Oct 13, 2017 17:17:25 GMT -5
Not trolling at all it's an honest accessment unlike your posts Dude, he looks like his normal self. He's been touring the past few months so his voice may sound weaker. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 13, 2017 17:18:36 GMT -5
I don't know where people get this stuff from.... Watch the video that's where I get it from.. does anyone realize how butt hurt people get when anyone says anything about the chief it's fucking insane!! I don't think anyone cares about discussing his voice. There actually could be things said about Noel's voice and its relative strength at this point. That's obvious criticism. But you're making up a fantasy storyline that somehow Liam's success affects Noel's vocal....half way around the world. That's actually what's insane. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 13, 2017 17:20:15 GMT -5
Watch the video that's where I get it from.. does anyone realize how butt hurt people get when anyone says anything about the chief it's fucking insane!! I don't think anyone cares about discussing his voice. There actually could be things said about Noel's voice and its relative strength at this point. That's obvious criticism. But you're making up a fantasy storyline that somehow Liam's success affects Noel's vocal....half way around the world. That's actually what's insane. I mean, it's genuinely laughable. What world are people living in? |
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Post by batfink30 on Oct 13, 2017 17:20:42 GMT -5
After all those threads about Liam's voice and singing we really should have at least one about Noel's voice and singing. He never really had a strong voice, but this is getting worse every tour if you ask me. He sounded great live the first U2 support I was at. |
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Post by CFC2013 on Oct 13, 2017 17:21:30 GMT -5
Counter point:
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Post by matt on Oct 13, 2017 17:23:45 GMT -5
Might not even have been ready for the DIV sessions. I'd love to hear them. Even more than the AA stuff. It is a fascinating collaboration on paper, but I'm going to give Noel the benefit of the doubt here when he said 'it was like trying to polish a turd'. Why? Well the songs that were tried out were largely ones that ended up on Don't Believe The Truth, including the risible A Bell Will Ring. And you can whitewash some electronica on to that, and it wouldn't make a difference, because at the heart of it is an absolutely terrible song typical of Gem's efforts. Also I think Love Like A Bomb was tried out - a really nice pleasant song (shame about Liam's vocals) but not one that is suitable for attempting something different. True, even a Death In Vegas sound would have been better than the dinosaur Dave Sardy but at the heart of it would have just been a traditional Oasis album with perhaps electronic/psychedelic paraphernalia tacked on to the songs. Now let's get one thing straight - I was desperate for the Amorphous Androgynous sessions. I was beginning to get bored out of my skull with the same old same old retreads of past glories from Noel, to the point that I was desperate for change just for change sake. And I feel my perceptions were misled because at this time, I am personally starting to doubt myself about the Amorphous Androgynous sessions. Were they doing similar and just taking traditionally paced mid tempo songs and sticking on a load of interesting sounds on to it? And if not, were they taking it in a completely different direction unrecognisable to Noel to the point where it wasn't his work anymore (as hinted by Mike Rowe)? The reason I doubt the quality of the AA sessions is simply because of what we are currently hearing from Noel's collaboration with David Holmes. Holmes has made it clear that the structure of the song is vital to the true essence of it, and his determination to start the songwriting process from scratch and guide Noel from there into different rhythms or melodic ideas is exactly what any producer should have done with Noel and Oasis. He could very well have produced Chasing Yesterday, but he knew he'd only be adding decoration to the songs. From what we've heard so far, it makes it all the more obvious that Holmes is really making Noel do something different, as opposed to just dressing up a traditional Noel song in a different way. His methods in the creative process whereby he's with Noel every step of the way means that there is real substance to this change, rather than merely a synthetic product. That is why this new stuff sounds so refreshing and vibrant because it really is nothing we've heard from Noel before. |
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Post by matt on Oct 13, 2017 17:26:30 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video Hilarious. I love how music discussion is relegated to yet another shitpost towards a petty and immature Noel v Liam debate. Worryingly, it all comes off as very insecure and paranoid too from the Liam fanboys. Grow up. Liam's got a very good album out. Now just go away and listen to that and stop trolling this section of the forum. |
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Post by queenblougaredoc on Oct 13, 2017 17:29:02 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video If anything, he looks strangely animated. Like he is on coke again or something. He shouts a bit too much these days. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 13, 2017 17:30:16 GMT -5
Can I my own woodwind player like the one in the video to follow me through life? Looks cool as fuck.
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Post by lau on Oct 13, 2017 17:30:16 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video I was there and he sounded amazing ... |
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Post by CFC2013 on Oct 13, 2017 17:30:47 GMT -5
Is it just me or does noel seem a lil less confident on stage now a days? Maybe liams success is really getting to him cuz he almost looks like a shell of himself up there it's weird. Watch this video If anything, he looks strangely animated. Like he is on coke again or something. He shouts a bit too much these days. I think it's just him trying to be animated and being a bit awkward. |
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Post by The Milkman & The Riverman on Oct 13, 2017 17:32:16 GMT -5
He still got this black american express card probably so he'll be fine.
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 13, 2017 17:35:34 GMT -5
He still got this black american express card probably so he'll be fine. Why yes, but I prefer the term African-American Express. |
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