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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 12:39:22 GMT -5
 I disagree with the parts in bold... the rest of the argument is well said though. Strawberry Fields Forever is all-time masterpiece without even a shadow of a doubt. To each their own. I personally find the track MASSIVELY overrated. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 12:39:23 GMT -5
Talk about a grower, fucking hell! Started off at a 5/10 for me. It's an 8 now. Brilliant song! A bit better than Heat Of The Moment, on par with Death Of You And Me. Is there a scientific reason some songs take longer to 'get' than others? I mean this is straight up pop but takes a while to sink in. The Right Stuff is more out-there but settles in instantly, it's really odd. Went from being disappointed to thinking it's as good as any first single from Noel's other albums. What a fucking wonderfully joyous nodder. Noel does it again I didn't like the whole CY when I first heard it (Maybe because I became an Oasis fan in 2013 and these songs weren't 'as good as Oasis material'). And now it's my favorite post-Oasis record! But I liked a couple of songs from the first Noel's album right away. Kinda strange. I can understand that. When I became an Oasis fan for like years I had no interest in SOTSOG/HC/DBTT. How songs grow and shrink with time has always fascinated me. Man I do miss the times when I first got into Oasis, I was just never bored or unhappy, I always had tunes to go to and every damn song sounded incredible, that was 2006-2008 for me, 2013? You must have had a fucking blast and that feeling should still be fresh in your mind. Getting into some truly epic stuff like The Beatles/Radiohead etc was amazing, but nothing compares to first discovering Oasis. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 12:41:54 GMT -5
I didn't like the whole CY when I first heard it (Maybe because I became an Oasis fan in 2013 and these songs weren't 'as good as Oasis material'). And now it's my favorite post-Oasis record! But I liked a couple of songs from the first Noel's album right away. Kinda strange. I can understand that. When I became an Oasis fan for like years I had no interest in SOTSOG/HC/DBTT. How songs grow and shrink with time has always fascinated me. Man I do miss the times when I first got into Oasis, I was just never bored or unhappy, I always had tunes to go to and every damn song sounded incredible, that was 2006-2008 for me, 2013? You must have had a fucking blast and that feeling should still be fresh in your mind. Getting into some truly epic stuff like The Beatles/Radiohead etc was amazing, but nothing compares to first discovering Oasis. At first I wasn't a big fan of their last albums either. But their songs still make me emotional and I hope it will always be like that. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 11, 2017 12:44:36 GMT -5
Strawberry Fields Forever is all-time masterpiece without even a shadow of a doubt. To each their own. I personally find the track MASSIVELY overrated. More than a song, it's a technical revolution. If you're into music documentaries, i suggest "Sgt Pepper’s Musical Revolution", which goes into details oh how the whole record was made, and why Strawberry Field stands out as one of the most experimental Beatles track. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08tb97f when it's aired again for the next anniversary  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 12:46:46 GMT -5
I always loved Noel's cover of Strawberry Fields.
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Post by oasis6 on Oct 11, 2017 12:47:59 GMT -5
I remember when I first heard I Got the Fever about 10 years ago I thought it was so good and had it in my top 10. Now, I don't know if it would even crack my top 50. All depends on how these songs grow, instead of the euphoria of newness.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 11, 2017 12:49:16 GMT -5
I honestly dont even know what i think to it. You know what, if it wasnt for that Ricky Martin bit it'd be a great teaser for whats to come and it'd sit happily in the playlist as something new to listen to. I just cannot get over that bit. I love the sound of the woman on the flute and as the song gets towards the end i actually think its a bit like Sundara Karma sound? The one biggest crime in all this would be if Noel thinks he should never go down this road again just because people dont like the songs. OK, I've done this comparison before to It's Raining Men but here's an even more direct example. Below is the video to The Pointer Sisters' Jump, which was a hit and reached #3 in 1984. If you go to the 55 second mark, you will most likely hear what I heard the first time I heard Bag It Up, which was an undeniable link between the two. Do you think this makes Bag It Up any lesser of a song? And it was the first thing i thought of when i heard Bag It Up too! Im not telling anyone they cant like this. Im simply saying when it gets to the chorus im imagining Ricky Martin with half his shirt undone smiling at me and its kind of a distraction. Listen, i think even without the comparisons it is weak for a Noel song and even weaker for a Noel single. Like i said before i would get it more if it was a taster for things to come and used as such but an actual lead single is worrying. I dont like the way the new direction leads some people to say well if you dont like it you are stuck in your ways. I like the elements of the song that remind me of other artists but as a song i think its weak and that ricky martin thing wont go away from me. On a side note, maybe ripping off songs is a better route to take? Least you know who youre ripping John Lennon on purpose and not Ricky Martin unintentionally. Will any journalist be brave enough to ask Noel if hes heard the comparison being made? |
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 11, 2017 12:52:23 GMT -5
I still remember that famous clip of Dick Clark on American Bandstand debuting the strawberry fields forever video and then asking the fans in the crowd their thoughts. They mostly ALL hated it. They look foolish now since that song is an all time masterpiece. Granted I am not saying Holy Mountain is anywhere near that comparison but it has more to do with hot takes and people’s ability to accept change. Tbh i could easily see why people would have been like wtf to Stawberry Fields on first listen. Imagine the contast. Like you yourself have pointed out in another post, this isnt even really that new terriroty for Noel and if this was a strong song then i dont for one moment think almost everyone on here would have any problem in saying how much they like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 12:55:41 GMT -5
To each their own. I personally find the track MASSIVELY overrated. More than a song, it's a technical revolution. If you're into music documentaries, i suggest "Sgt Pepper’s Musical Revolution", which goes into details oh how the whole record was made, and why Strawberry Field stands out as one of the most experimental Beatles track. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08tb97f when it's aired again for the next anniversary I take no issue with the technical innovation and that it inspired countless artist after them, but to me the song itself doesn't do anything for me. That's all. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 12:56:11 GMT -5
I still remember that famous clip of Dick Clark on American Bandstand debuting the strawberry fields forever video and then asking the fans in the crowd their thoughts. They mostly ALL hated it. They look foolish now since that song is an all time masterpiece. Granted I am not saying Holy Mountain is anywhere near that comparison but it has more to do with hot takes and people’s ability to accept change. Tbh i could easily see why people would have been like wtf to Stawberry Fields on first listen. Imagine the contast. Like you yourself have pointed out in another post, this isnt even really that new terriroty for Noel and if this was a strong song then i dont for one moment think almost everyone on here would have any problem in saying how much they like it. I don't trying to persuade someone that this song is good. I just explain to someone who doesn't like it why I like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 13:04:22 GMT -5
I still remember that famous clip of Dick Clark on American Bandstand debuting the strawberry fields forever video and then asking the fans in the crowd their thoughts. They mostly ALL hated it. They look foolish now since that song is an all time masterpiece. Granted I am not saying Holy Mountain is anywhere near that comparison but it has more to do with hot takes and people’s ability to accept change. Those were probably false fans... More seriously, I still remember hearing Strawberry Fields Forever for the first time when I was 14 and being totally blown away. For me, it's one of the three best songs off all the time, a total masterpiece. A song full of creativity, timeless melodies and a gorgeous melancholy. It was totally new at the time, a crazy and groundbreaking inventivity. Anyway, just nothing like Holy Mountain, which is just a change for NG and even that is debatable... |
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Post by sfsorrow on Oct 11, 2017 13:22:11 GMT -5
OK, I've done this comparison before to It's Raining Men but here's an even more direct example. Below is the video to The Pointer Sisters' Jump, which was a hit and reached #3 in 1984. If you go to the 55 second mark, you will most likely hear what I heard the first time I heard Bag It Up, which was an undeniable link between the two. Do you think this makes Bag It Up any lesser of a song? And it was the first thing i thought of when i heard Bag It Up too! Im not telling anyone they cant like this. Im simply saying when it gets to the chorus im imagining Ricky Martin with half his shirt undone smiling at me and its kind of a distraction. Listen, i think even without the comparisons it is weak for a Noel song and even weaker for a Noel single. Like i said before i would get it more if it was a taster for things to come and used as such but an actual lead single is worrying. I dont like the way the new direction leads some people to say well if you dont like it you are stuck in your ways. I like the elements of the song that remind me of other artists but as a song i think its weak and that ricky martin thing wont go away from me. On a side note, maybe ripping off songs is a better route to take? Least you know who youre ripping John Lennon on purpose and not Ricky Martin unintentionally. Will any journalist be brave enough to ask Noel if hes heard the comparison being made? I mean this somewhat in jest so I hope you take it that way but I had always assumed the objection was that there was a connection between Noel's song and a kind of lame pop song, not that it made people think about Ricky Martin with his shirt undone! I do know that you are not telling anyone they can't like it but my Pointer Sister example is to point (get it?) out that you can find these connections to lesser songs in lots of works but that it doesn't need to impact our enjoyment of the song that is making the unintentional reference. This is why I find the Ricky Martin example a less compelling criticism of the song. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 13:30:07 GMT -5
If during a song someone thinks about Ricky Martin with his shirt off then it might not be the song which is responsible for that.
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Post by liamgallagher1992 on Oct 11, 2017 13:36:19 GMT -5
And it was the first thing i thought of when i heard Bag It Up too! Im not telling anyone they cant like this. Im simply saying when it gets to the chorus im imagining Ricky Martin with half his shirt undone smiling at me and its kind of a distraction. Listen, i think even without the comparisons it is weak for a Noel song and even weaker for a Noel single. Like i said before i would get it more if it was a taster for things to come and used as such but an actual lead single is worrying. I dont like the way the new direction leads some people to say well if you dont like it you are stuck in your ways. I like the elements of the song that remind me of other artists but as a song i think its weak and that ricky martin thing wont go away from me. On a side note, maybe ripping off songs is a better route to take? Least you know who youre ripping John Lennon on purpose and not Ricky Martin unintentionally. Will any journalist be brave enough to ask Noel if hes heard the comparison being made? I mean this somewhat in jest so I hope you take it that way but I had always assumed the objection was that there was a connection between Noel's song and a kind of lame pop song, not that it made people think about Ricky Martin with his shirt undone! I do know that you are not telling anyone they can't like it but my Pointer Sister example is to point (get it?) out that you can find these connections to lesser songs in lots of works but that it doesn't need to impact our enjoyment of the song that is making the unintentional reference. This is why I find the Ricky Martin example a less compelling criticism of the song. I actually think the Pointer Sister comparison is quite blatent. The main point being is that it is just a weak song. Which i would usually just put up with and say, hey its an example of the album to come but hopefully not as good. But she bangs she bangs is in my head and so is that undone shirt  |
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Post by Beady’s Here Now on Oct 11, 2017 13:37:50 GMT -5
Music video reminds me of Vertigo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 13:40:08 GMT -5
Music video reminds me of Vertigo. It makes you feel sick and your legs get shaky? |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 11, 2017 13:41:27 GMT -5
This whole thing is stupid really. Everyone in pop music is taking from others, whether on purpose or unconsciously. That is how you make new music. Hell, it even became a new kind of music: sampling. The Beatles have also taken from other, just a short link to their biggest borrowed parts www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beatles-5-boldest-rip-offs-20151223Taking from others is part of a process every musician is going through. You cant not not be influenced by others, or either your a deaf or never heard a single song by anyone. ever. Not ripping off anyone is plain impossible, end of. All the pseudo rip-off pointed by Liamgallagher19999111 in the past weeks are mostly unconscious, they're not even rip-offs since they are little bits of melodies. They are not produced the same way, dont have the same structure, or rhythm, or feeling, or anything else that can be counted as a rip-off. In the end, modern music is pretty basic, it revolves around what mostly 20 chords, so the probablity to come up with a melody that was created before is very high. Denying that or simply not accepting it is pretty dumb. |
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Post by freddy838 on Oct 11, 2017 13:42:21 GMT -5
And it was the first thing i thought of when i heard Bag It Up too! Im not telling anyone they cant like this. Im simply saying when it gets to the chorus im imagining Ricky Martin with half his shirt undone smiling at me and its kind of a distraction. Listen, i think even without the comparisons it is weak for a Noel song and even weaker for a Noel single. Like i said before i would get it more if it was a taster for things to come and used as such but an actual lead single is worrying. I dont like the way the new direction leads some people to say well if you dont like it you are stuck in your ways. I like the elements of the song that remind me of other artists but as a song i think its weak and that ricky martin thing wont go away from me. On a side note, maybe ripping off songs is a better route to take? Least you know who youre ripping John Lennon on purpose and not Ricky Martin unintentionally. Will any journalist be brave enough to ask Noel if hes heard the comparison being made? I mean this somewhat in jest so I hope you take it that way but I had always assumed the objection was that there was a connection between Noel's song and a kind of lame pop song, not that it made people think about Ricky Martin with his shirt undone! I do know that you are not telling anyone they can't like it but my Pointer Sister example is to point (get it?) out that you can find these connections to lesser songs in lots of works but that it doesn't need to impact our enjoyment of the song that is making the unintentional reference. This is why I find the Ricky Martin example a less compelling criticism of the song. Yeah I find the Ricky Martin thing a bit daft too. Personally I think it does sound like it, but Noel's often pinched random melodies or parts of melodies like Fade Away is exactly like one of George Michael's songs, but I still love that tune. Just happens I don't like this one because it sounds like Noel by numbers, bringing back memories of some of my least favourite songs by him. I like the idea of sampling and writing more dancey songs, and ironically Liam has released a better one IMO. This hasn't dampened my anticipation of the new album, I just don't think it's very good on its own. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 11, 2017 13:47:09 GMT -5
This song is really, really good. I think once people have got used to it, especially in the context of the album, it's gonna be considered one of the most fun and feel-good tunes he's ever done.
Woooo-oh-ooooooh!
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 11, 2017 13:57:28 GMT -5
Just looked at the youtube comments, almost half of them are "At first I thought it was shit, but now I love it"  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 14:00:04 GMT -5
Just looked at the youtube comments, almost half of them are "At first I thought it was shit, but now I love it" I suppose the same can be said about IHOTM. I bet a lot of people hated this song when it came out (I was one of them). |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 11, 2017 14:04:56 GMT -5
Just looked at the youtube comments, almost half of them are "At first I thought it was shit, but now I love it" I suppose the same can be said about IHOTM. I bet a lot of people hated this song when it came out (I was one of them). I was really disappointed in BOTMI when it came out - at first I rated it a "bang-average" 5. Then 6. Then 7. Then 8. Now, it's my favourite HFB tune |
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Post by mossy on Oct 11, 2017 14:06:30 GMT -5
Just looked at the youtube comments, almost half of them are "At first I thought it was shit, but now I love it" I suppose the same can be said about IHOTM. I bet a lot of people hated this song when it came out (I was one of them). Na. (Bam-dum-tssh). |
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Post by crownie on Oct 11, 2017 14:16:59 GMT -5
Song took time to get use to but after the 3rd listen i think its ok but nothing special, in the context of the album overall knowing the songs in the teaser video all were better i'm not going to overreact or hit the panic button yet.
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Post by The Invisible Sun on Oct 11, 2017 14:19:18 GMT -5
Maybe I have listened to it too much, doubtful since I am still listening to As You Were multiple times per day, but I don't have much desire to listen to it. I didn't even finish the video.
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