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Post by spaneli on Oct 10, 2017 5:17:12 GMT -5
Also, the mix is fine. It's actually better than fine.
I think there's a lot of lack of definition with this song. Whether it's a confusion between melody and structure or mixing and mastering.
Mix is the arrangement of sound. It's fine here. Mastering is the loudness and dynamics of a sound. The mastering is far more of an issue than the mixing.
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Post by AubreyOasis on Oct 10, 2017 5:19:23 GMT -5
Frankly, I do not get all the fuss about 'She Bangs'. I listened to it yesterday for the first time in many years and the similarity with Holy Mountain is superficial at best: one phrase does not make a song |
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Post by sgtpeppr on Oct 10, 2017 5:35:25 GMT -5
Frankly, I do not get all the fuss about 'She Bangs'. I listened to it yesterday for the first time in many years and the similarity with Holy Mountain is superficial at best: one phrase does not make a song and its not even a phrase. one word repeated over two lines...if you hear ricky martin in HM, then theres something off in your hearing. |
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Post by fmc on Oct 10, 2017 5:47:41 GMT -5
Awright? Joined a while ago, but don't think I've ever posted. What a time for us. New material from them both. Long live the Chief xx Welcome to the forum! Cheers pal, heard good things about this board, and want to use it more! |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 10, 2017 5:51:19 GMT -5
Also, the mix is fine. It's actually better than fine. I think there's a lot of lack of definition with this song. Whether it's a confusion between melody and structure or mixing and mastering. Mix is the arrangement of sound. It's fine here. Mastering is the loudness and dynamics of a sound. The mastering is far more of an issue than the mixing. Yeah the Mix is perfect. I have monitoring headphones, and tbh it's one of the best mix i've ever heard. It sounds a bit compressed but maybe it will sound better on the record, just like Wall of Glass for Liam. |
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Post by spaneli on Oct 10, 2017 6:10:07 GMT -5
Also, the mix is fine. It's actually better than fine. I think there's a lot of lack of definition with this song. Whether it's a confusion between melody and structure or mixing and mastering. Mix is the arrangement of sound. It's fine here. Mastering is the loudness and dynamics of a sound. The mastering is far more of an issue than the mixing. Yeah the Mix is perfect. I have monitoring headphones, and tbh it's one of the best mix i've ever heard. It sounds a bit compressed but maybe it will sound better on the record, just like Wall of Glass for Liam. Same. I've been listening through monitor speakers. |
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Post by LlAM on Oct 10, 2017 6:20:00 GMT -5
Also, the mix is fine. It's actually better than fine. I think there's a lot of lack of definition with this song. Whether it's a confusion between melody and structure or mixing and mastering. Mix is the arrangement of sound. It's fine here. Mastering is the loudness and dynamics of a sound. The mastering is far more of an issue than the mixing. Yeah the Mix is perfect. I have monitoring headphones, and tbh it's one of the best mix i've ever heard. It sounds a bit compressed but maybe it will sound better on the record, just like Wall of Glass for Liam. What's your source? Surely you aren't using the 320 MP3 rip from the official store? |
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Post by AubreyOasis on Oct 10, 2017 6:38:59 GMT -5
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Post by spaneli on Oct 10, 2017 6:41:08 GMT -5
Yeah the Mix is perfect. I have monitoring headphones, and tbh it's one of the best mix i've ever heard. It sounds a bit compressed but maybe it will sound better on the record, just like Wall of Glass for Liam. What's your source? Surely you aren't using the 320 MP3 rip from the official store? It's probably because he's listening through monitoring headphones. Sound changes massively depending on how you're listening. Monitoring headphones tend to gear toward an "accurate" sound. That is, it's main goal is to give the mixer a full unadulterated sound. Sometimes that gets confused with the music sounding better, but it's really so the person mixing it can hear cleanly and pick out mistakes. |
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Post by Thomas on Oct 10, 2017 6:51:57 GMT -5
Also, the mix is fine. It's actually better than fine. I think there's a lot of lack of definition with this song. Whether it's a confusion between melody and structure or mixing and mastering. Mix is the arrangement of sound. It's fine here. Mastering is the loudness and dynamics of a sound. The mastering is far more of an issue than the mixing. I'm with you when you say the mastering is much more of a problem than the mix in Holy Mountain's case, but the sentences in bold have to be read with a pinch of salt. They're essentially right, but it's not always like that. I can compress drums and guitars to death on the mixing stage and not compress the whole track at all during the mastering. A mix lacking definition or poor distributed or arranged won't be saved by a great master. And so on. The mastering is more of a delicate process than the mix, in order to indeed take care of loudness and dynamics, but a lot of these are also taken care of during the mixing - a much more comprehensive part of the thing. I do like Holy Mountain's mix though. I think they absolutely went for that old, radio-y dirty sound (the Kramer Tape plugin over the whole song, put there in the mix, makes me think so), and they got it right. That's also a good mix: getting the sound that you want. Even from the Youtube preview, already compressed both from being in a video and the whole Youtube platform, you can say that the other songs don't sound as "muffled" as Holy Mountain. I think it's just an esthetic matter, really. And I like it. |
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Post by The Escapist on Oct 10, 2017 7:26:24 GMT -5
Also, the mix is fine. It's actually better than fine. I think there's a lot of lack of definition with this song. Whether it's a confusion between melody and structure or mixing and mastering. Mix is the arrangement of sound. It's fine here. Mastering is the loudness and dynamics of a sound. The mastering is far more of an issue than the mixing. I wouldn't change one thing about the mixing. Love the sound of it. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 10, 2017 7:41:36 GMT -5
What's your source? Surely you aren't using the 320 MP3 rip from the official store? It's probably because he's listening through monitoring headphones. Sound changes massively depending on how you're listening. Monitoring headphones tend to gear toward an "accurate" sound. That is, it's main goal is to give the mixer a full unadulterated sound. Sometimes that gets confused with the music sounding better, but it's really so the person mixing it can hear cleanly and pick out mistakes. That, the mixing never change, well usually on monitoring headphones, there is no tweak from the manufacturer to push the voice, or the bass or any other instrument. Beats audio for instance pushed bass because they originated from Rap culture, whilst Bose pushes a bit more middle and treble and stuff (from what i remember, maybe that has changed) So whether a 128k, 320 k or flac, the mixing is always the same but the compression can alter the overall sound : instruments lost, dynamic flatened... etc... But the tracks will always be 30% left, 50% right... etc that's mixing. track levels can be lost too. I listen to a 320 m4A (different to a 320 MP3) which is a good apple compression, i havent bought a flac, but the mix will be the same on CD. By the way, most people even the ones who listen to Flac cant differentiate a 320 rip from a Flac rip. Monitoring headphones are pretty interesting for people who like production, you can pick every little mistake made during recording and mixing, hear new stuff. For instance, on Paper Crown, when Liam's voice kicks in, it's pretty badly done, very badly cut. Monitoring headphones are pretty cool. I use them to mix my own recordings and sometimes you're satisfied with something and it will sound absolutely shit when put on regular speakers or headphones. Because each speaker is different. And every ear too. |
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Post by LlAM on Oct 10, 2017 7:47:15 GMT -5
What's your source? Surely you aren't using the 320 MP3 rip from the official store? It's probably because he's listening through monitoring headphones. Sound changes massively depending on how you're listening. Monitoring headphones tend to gear toward an "accurate" sound. That is, it's main goal is to give the mixer a full unadulterated sound. Sometimes that gets confused with the music sounding better, but it's really so the person mixing it can hear cleanly and pick out mistakes. Fair enough, I'm finding the MP3 version unlistenable across the board; phone, Bluetooth speaker, Bluetooth headphones, wired headphones, TV... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2017 7:50:50 GMT -5
Audiophiles suck all the fun out of listening to music.  |
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Post by mossy on Oct 10, 2017 7:53:38 GMT -5
Audiophiles suck all the fun out of listening to music. Nekkid dancing is definitely better than scratching your chin in an armchair thinking about filters X |
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Post by Thomas on Oct 10, 2017 7:53:54 GMT -5
It's probably because he's listening through monitoring headphones. Sound changes massively depending on how you're listening. Monitoring headphones tend to gear toward an "accurate" sound. That is, it's main goal is to give the mixer a full unadulterated sound. Sometimes that gets confused with the music sounding better, but it's really so the person mixing it can hear cleanly and pick out mistakes. That, the mixing never change, well usually on monitoring headphones, there is no tweak from the manufacturer to push the voice, or the bass or any other instrument. Beats audio for instance pushed bass because they originated from Rap culture, whilst Bose pushes a bit more middle and treble and stuff (from what i remember, maybe that has changed) So whether a 128k, 320 k or flac, the mixing is always the same but the compression can alter the overall sound : instruments lost, dynamic flatened... etc... But the tracks will always be 30% left, 50% right... etc that's mixing. track levels can be lost too. I listen to a 320 m4A (different to a 320 MP3) which is a good apple compression, i havent bought a flac, but the mix will be the same on CD. By the way, most people even the ones who listen to Flac cant differentiate a 320 rip from a Flac rip. Monitoring headphones are pretty interesting for people who like production, you can pick every little mistake made during recording and mixing, hear new stuff. For instance, on Paper Crown, when Liam's voice kicks in, it's pretty badly done, very badly cut.Monitoring headphones are pretty cool. I use them to mix my own recordings and sometimes you're satisfied with something and it will sound absolutely shit when put on regular speakers or headphones. Because each speaker is different. And every ear too.
Been talking about this for days now. Fuck. It's horrible. Amateurish.
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Post by andymorris on Oct 10, 2017 7:56:31 GMT -5
Audiophiles suck all the fun out of listening to music. I dont consider myself an audiophile. I listen to AAC uncompressed CD rips and 320 most of the times. I have good speakers and headphones but that's about it. It all depends on the "fun" you want. For me, listening to all the details of a track, how it was recorded is... fun. I can watch documentaries about recordings processes from bands i dont even like. I like to understand how a track is made because i played in a band and recorded a lot of demos by myself. I'm a musician so i like that kinda stuff but i also "casually" listen to music a lot. My everyday headphones are worth no more than 30 pounds. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 10, 2017 8:01:22 GMT -5
Audiophiles suck all the fun out of listening to music. Nekkid dancing is definitely better than scratching your chin in an armchair thinking about filters X Sometimes i analyze a track naked. Eargasm is never too far away. |
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Post by andymorris on Oct 10, 2017 8:07:40 GMT -5
Been talking about this for days now. Fuck. It's horrible. Amateurish. I'm glad someone else noticed  But why didn't they notice ? It's pretty basic. And I'm not even a pro. Overall Liam's album is mixed and produced ok, but there is a few mistakes here and there (Greedy Soul, Wall of Glass especially). |
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Post by Fade In-Out on Oct 10, 2017 8:09:20 GMT -5
Same here i always thought he had a bad voice but he keeps proving me i am wrong since his voice is worse than i expect every time... Noel has a bad voice? No way! I didn't say that I don't like his voice at all. I don't like his delivery only on couple of tracks... And his vocal on FoN and MF is much worse in my opinion. Didnt mean that, i meant that my problem with this song is mainly noels voice, just like you on this particular, the rest of my answer applies for my own opinion! |
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Post by mossy on Oct 10, 2017 8:17:00 GMT -5
Nekkid dancing is definitely better than scratching your chin in an armchair thinking about filters X Sometimes i analyze a track naked. Eargasm is never too far away. Bet it's not your chin you're scratching then eh Andy ;-) |
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Post by icebreath on Oct 10, 2017 8:22:39 GMT -5
That, the mixing never change, well usually on monitoring headphones, there is no tweak from the manufacturer to push the voice, or the bass or any other instrument. Beats audio for instance pushed bass because they originated from Rap culture, whilst Bose pushes a bit more middle and treble and stuff (from what i remember, maybe that has changed) So whether a 128k, 320 k or flac, the mixing is always the same but the compression can alter the overall sound : instruments lost, dynamic flatened... etc... But the tracks will always be 30% left, 50% right... etc that's mixing. track levels can be lost too. I listen to a 320 m4A (different to a 320 MP3) which is a good apple compression, i havent bought a flac, but the mix will be the same on CD. By the way, most people even the ones who listen to Flac cant differentiate a 320 rip from a Flac rip. Monitoring headphones are pretty interesting for people who like production, you can pick every little mistake made during recording and mixing, hear new stuff. For instance, on Paper Crown, when Liam's voice kicks in, it's pretty badly done, very badly cut.Monitoring headphones are pretty cool. I use them to mix my own recordings and sometimes you're satisfied with something and it will sound absolutely shit when put on regular speakers or headphones. Because each speaker is different. And every ear too.
Been talking about this for days now. Fuck. It's horrible. Amateurish.
Great post, btw.I think that's created on purpose to give a more "intimate" effect when the drums kicks in and the vocals sound warmer afterwards. |
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Post by Thomas on Oct 10, 2017 8:32:13 GMT -5
THIS.
Been talking about this for days now. Fuck. It's horrible. Amateurish.
Great post, btw. I think that's created on purpose to give a more "intimate" effect when the drums kicks in and the vocals sound warmer afterwards. Highly doubt it. It's an actual error, at the very beginning of the first word (when). There's just acoustic guitars, and Liam's voice comes in... clipping. Can't believe they got this wrong. Also andymorris you've probably noticed but god, some parts of As You Were are unlistenable when on good equipment. The last chorus and middle eight of Universal Gleam, the ending of Bold and When I'm In Need, the choruses of Wall Of Glass, parts of Greedy Soul... I'm amazed at the amount of digital distortion they have. It's horribly high. It sounds good on my Apple earbuds but if I try to listen to the album on my monitor headphones or my studio monitors I seriously can't stand it. And for the sake of me, I think this was both a mixing and mastering error. In the mix, tracks weren't clipping, but the plugins were. They didn't see it. In the mastering it was already fucked up and there wasn't much to do, as they had to compress and limit the tracks in order to achieve louder, industry standard volumes and couldn't get back to the mix (I've read a few times that the mastering took place much much after the mixes were finished). I think that was the case cause something similar happened to me when mixing/mastering my band's album. But I'm going so off topic right now I'm feeling bad about it   |
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Post by Fade In-Out on Oct 10, 2017 8:34:35 GMT -5
I'm trying to listen to that song, already heard it like 10 times and not a single time it got any better than the previous one... even fot stucked a bit in my head, but in a veeery bad way...
Everything annoys me in this song i guess, i want to kill the guy whistling, i want this wall of sound with these stupid horns to explode, i want noel to stop trying to sing this, his voice doesn't fit at all, maybe he should do a Liam-reverse and hire singers to sing his songs lol..
I really hate this song and i hate hating things, but i guess there will still be 10 more songs on this album.. still don't get why he made a single out of this one, like if little james was a single to sotsog
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Post by mimmihopps on Oct 10, 2017 8:35:17 GMT -5
Cheers pal, heard good things about this board, and want to use it more! Welcome to Live4ever Forum and enjoy to exchange your opinions with fellow members.  |
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