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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Oct 3, 2017 14:28:03 GMT -5
Doesn't stop me listening to his music though, but with regards to his new lyrics, I don't know whether I will be laughing with him (like The Smiths) or laughing at him. That part is certainly annoying. He used to laugh about himself and be self ironic so much in his early years (decades even) - nowadays he often seems pretentious as fuck. In other words, I feel like 25-year old Morrissey would not like 2017 Morrissey one bit. |
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Post by funhouse on Oct 3, 2017 15:01:50 GMT -5
"The result of all this is that Morrissey is making it harder and harder to enjoy the Smiths." I completely disagree with that opinion. The Smiths ended in 1987, long before he started talking shit on a regular basis. My enjoyment of listening to The Smiths will never change, and if it would(how tragic that would be), it would definitely not be because of what an older, more confused version of the singer would say more than twenty years after their last album was released. Tomorrow he could endorse Trump for all I care (if he hasn't already done that), it doesn't change a fucking thing about how that music sounds, or what it stands for. |
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Post by durk on Oct 3, 2017 16:53:01 GMT -5
dont kmow/care about the politics-
but i thought the new songs he played on lauren laverne's show yesterday were meh.
not good enuf for me to preorder on- that's for sure.
we'll see.
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Post by tomlivesforever on Oct 3, 2017 17:11:52 GMT -5
"The result of all this is that Morrissey is making it harder and harder to enjoy the Smiths." I completely disagree. The Smiths ended in 1987, long before he started talking shit on a regular basis. My enjoyment of listening to The Smiths will never change, and if it would(how tragic that would be), it would definitely not be because of what an older, more confused version of the singer would say more than twenty years after their last album was released. Tomorrow he could endorse Trump for all I care (if he hasn't already done that), it doesn't change a fucking thing about how that music sounds, or what it stands for. If you feel that way about it fine. We all draw our lines in different places, I started mine after he described the Chinese as a "subspecies". I personally was referring to his new material, as matt points out with some of the song titles there is a good chance he'll be talking more shite on the record so I'll probably avoid it although if he carries on this way it could affect how much I want to hear him singing anything to be honest old or new. |
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Post by funhouse on Oct 3, 2017 23:13:21 GMT -5
"The result of all this is that Morrissey is making it harder and harder to enjoy the Smiths." I completely disagree. The Smiths ended in 1987, long before he started talking shit on a regular basis. My enjoyment of listening to The Smiths will never change, and if it would(how tragic that would be), it would definitely not be because of what an older, more confused version of the singer would say more than twenty years after their last album was released. Tomorrow he could endorse Trump for all I care (if he hasn't already done that), it doesn't change a fucking thing about how that music sounds, or what it stands for. If you feel that way about it fine. We all draw our lines in different places, I started mine after he described the Chinese as a "subspecies". I personally was referring to his new material, as matt points out with some of the song titles there is a good chance he'll be talking more shite on the record so I'll probably avoid it although if he carries on this way it could affect how much I want to hear him singing anything to be honest old or new. I was referring to how I feel about listening to The Smiths, when it comes to his newer material I'm right with you. I disagreed with the quote, not the article as a whole. |
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Post by morning_rain on Oct 4, 2017 3:03:19 GMT -5
"The result of all this is that Morrissey is making it harder and harder to enjoy the Smiths." I completely disagree. The Smiths ended in 1987, long before he started talking shit on a regular basis. My enjoyment of listening to The Smiths will never change, and if it would(how tragic that would be), it would definitely not be because of what an older, more confused version of the singer would say more than twenty years after their last album was released. Tomorrow he could endorse Trump for all I care (if he hasn't already done that), it doesn't change a fucking thing about how that music sounds, or what it stands for. If you feel that way about it fine. We all draw our lines in different places, I started mine after he described the Chinese as a "subspecies". I personally was referring to his new material, as matt points out with some of the song titles there is a good chance he'll be talking more shite on the record so I'll probably avoid it although if he carries on this way it could affect how much I want to hear him singing anything to be honest old or new. Do you know the context? I'd like to check it. If it's true that's just embarassing. As someone said in this thread: the 25 years old Morrissey wouldn't get along with today's Morrissey. Although part of me thinks he just says this kind of stuff to get attention and to appear as subversive to some people. Is like he needs this "Morrissey VS the world" feeling. |
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Post by Derrick on Oct 4, 2017 14:04:44 GMT -5
If you feel that way about it fine. We all draw our lines in different places, I started mine after he described the Chinese as a "subspecies". I personally was referring to his new material, as matt points out with some of the song titles there is a good chance he'll be talking more shite on the record so I'll probably avoid it although if he carries on this way it could affect how much I want to hear him singing anything to be honest old or new. Do you know the context? I'd like to check it. If it's true that's just embarassing. As someone said in this thread: the 25 years old Morrissey wouldn't get along with today's Morrissey. Although part of me thinks he just says this kind of stuff to get attention and to appear as subversive to some people. Is like he needs this "Morrissey VS the world" feeling. |
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Post by seanrulesrh on Nov 16, 2017 6:44:18 GMT -5
Well I don't know if this was created but I've seen a lot of Smiths fans here. The album is leaked so tell me your opinion.
To me is just another Mozz album,couple of good tracks but the rest of them are absolutely boring. 5/10 for me.
Home Is A Question Mark,Spent The Day In Bed,In Your Lap and All The Young People Must Fall In Love are the tunes that grabbed my ear in the first listen.
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 16, 2017 7:55:39 GMT -5
seanrulesrh, I've merged your thread with this one. I'm going to pick my copy in my local record shop tomorrow.
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Post by morning_rain on Nov 16, 2017 11:22:45 GMT -5
I haven't downloaded it, I'll listen on Spotify tomorrow, but I didn't like 'I wish you lonely'. 'Jakie's only happy when she's up on the stage' is ok but nothing special.
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 17, 2017 7:35:55 GMT -5
Just bought it in my local record shop and I'm gonna listen to it later today.
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Post by LightsOffInside on Nov 17, 2017 8:10:49 GMT -5
Listened to it entirely this morning. On the whole I prefer it to his last album, because there is less of the overly Spanish influence (not that I'm against that, just didn't like Morrissey's take on it, made him sound like the house entertainment at a beach resort in Majorca).
I really like the opening track "My Love I'd Do Anything For You", and I like a few other tracks, but the second half of the album takes a dip in quality and I feel focuses too much on the political and heavily opinionated words of Morrissey himself, and takes the focus away from the music.
He used to have the perfect balance between great music, and great thought-provoking lyrics, but I feel he is focusing too much on the words and forgetting the music/melody aspect which is just as essential.
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Post by rorymcbride on Nov 17, 2017 8:21:36 GMT -5
My friend works in Sister Ray records in Soho and said they've put the new Morrissey LP in the far right corner of the shop.
I laughed. Heartily.
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Post by CFC2013 on Nov 17, 2017 16:45:36 GMT -5
There are some good/catchy songs on the album, but listening to it in its entirety is laborious, to say the least.
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Post by walterglass on Nov 17, 2017 16:58:07 GMT -5
I’m writing 2 poems at the minute. Well, 2 and a half. If Morrissey could see them he’d be torn in two with jealousy. If they continue as they started they’ll be classics. But I’ll probably finish them in 2042. Got other stuff to be getting on with.
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Post by durk on Nov 17, 2017 18:42:22 GMT -5
low indeed.
just watched England is Mine.
it's a long way from that ideal.
once upon a time...
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 18, 2017 4:59:58 GMT -5
Bought this album yesterday and listened to the entire album only once last night. I'm listening to it again as I type now. I must say it's nothing near to his last album which I really loved. "My Love, I'd Do Anything For You" sounds good old Moz and I like "Home Is A Question Mark". made him sound like the house entertainment at a beach resort in Majorca). .  Sadly, indeed... |
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Post by Frank Lee Vulgar on Nov 18, 2017 7:04:38 GMT -5
Agree that it's really different from World Peace, but I'm happy with that - I found World Peace to be way too inconsistent as an album.
This one (from what I've heard) is surprisingly diverse sonically, some songs remind me of classic 90s Morrissey. Could do without some of the more heavy handed political lyrics though.
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Post by mimmihopps on Nov 18, 2017 13:05:47 GMT -5
Moz is on the cover of the latest "Oor" (Dutch music magazine) with article about The Queen Is Dead reissue.
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Post by theyknowwhatimean on Nov 19, 2017 12:52:59 GMT -5
"Has the world changed, or have I changed?"
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Post by Manualex on Nov 19, 2017 16:17:37 GMT -5
I cried to this one.
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Post by matt on Nov 19, 2017 16:40:54 GMT -5
Just un-fucking-believable. There's so much wrong with this horrific view I cannot be bothered to argue against it.  I speak as the biggest Smiths fan ever (and still am the biggest fan of them), but my god, he really is insufferable these days. I've never seen someone who treads such a fine line between poetic genius and crackpot pig headed shit like him. I've listened to his new album, and maybe it's because of all the current baggage about what he's saying, but I'm really struggling. Maybe I'm subconsciously looking for things to go against it, but I can't be doing with the ignorant, blunt, hamfisted and, quite frankly, inarticulate political ramblings. Similarly with Noel, I am not taking the opinion of some famous Hollywood dwelling celebrity giving us their opinion of the world when they don't even live in the real world. Fine, with regards to Noel or Morrissey, I've nothing against their celeb lifestyle, they've earned the right with their immense talents to live a lavish lifestyle (if they so wish, even if it is remarkably cheap, earthly and shallow) but when they think they have an authority on political events that won't even affect them, well I find that incredibly insulting. It is us that has to deal with the consequences of major world fuck ups, not them in their gold plated mansions. They lack the empathy, they lack the sympathy, and for that, they have absolutely no conception of real world issues. They have no right to talk about these issues. Shut the fuck up. |
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Post by Manualex on Nov 19, 2017 17:29:46 GMT -5
ugh, way to go Moz. Wtf? Spacey had the power when that incident happened. Why is it that he has to speak about something so controvertial all the time? 😑 Should we leave children alone with older people? No. But you can't always ve there with the children, so that's why there are rules and laws that everyone must follow. FFS you wrote a song about something similar and don't see the issue with this? 😟 |
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Post by glider on Nov 19, 2017 18:09:17 GMT -5
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